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baddog 07-31-2004 08:30 PM

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Originally posted by johndoebob
What a good SEO does:

Optimizing your sites if you haven't already done that (no biggie).And adding links from his many content rich PR strong domains and maybe tries to get you into a few directories.

that is not a good seo, that is a wannabe seo

Mr Pheer 07-31-2004 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by johndoebob
What a good SEO does:

Optimizing your sites if you haven't already done that (no biggie).And adding links from his many content rich PR strong domains and maybe tries to get you into a few directories.

Heh, whatever.

goodgirl 07-31-2004 08:34 PM

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Originally posted by baddog
your name looks familiar, wanna fuck? :Graucho

Always ;)

pussyluver 07-31-2004 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by goodgirl
Always ;)
Was lookin for a bad girl, not a bad dog. Ahmmm, guess ya gotta be good to be bad. There is something funny in there someplace.

Oh, It's cause you're from Indiana... went to Valpo

johndoebob 07-31-2004 09:26 PM

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that is not a good seo, that is a wannabe seo
You can't do more beside having lots of content and links from PR strong content rich sites.And of course a SE friendly site structure.

Google bombing,crappy doorway pages and cloaking is not the way to go and google will kick your ass sooner or later.There aren't any secret seo technics that could get you a better rank.

{fusion} 07-31-2004 09:40 PM

bump

Not Working 07-31-2004 09:42 PM

Aaron, what about SEOguru, Darren

Not Working 07-31-2004 09:45 PM

My bad, he already posted and I missed the post. Sorry

Mr Pheer 07-31-2004 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by johndoebob
You can't do more beside having lots of content and links from PR strong content rich sites.And of course a SE friendly site structure.

Google bombing,crappy doorway pages and cloaking is not the way to go and google will kick your ass sooner or later.There aren't any secret seo technics that could get you a better rank.

the term "SEO" doesnt just apply to google. And if you think google is the only engine worth going for, please, keep thinking that way :winkwink:

baddog 08-01-2004 12:24 AM

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Originally posted by MrPheer
the term "SEO" doesnt just apply to google. And if you think google is the only engine worth going for, please, keep thinking that way :winkwink:
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DarkJedi 08-01-2004 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by MrPheer
the term "SEO" doesnt just apply to google. And if you think google is the only engine worth going for, please, keep thinking that way :winkwink:
Google/Yahoo/MSN

are there any other engines worth wasting time on ?

Groove 08-01-2004 12:46 AM

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Originally posted by baddog
that is not a good seo, that is a wannabe seo
So please enlighten us on what an elite SEO practitioner would do. :glugglug

Groove 08-01-2004 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
Google/Yahoo/MSN

are there any other engines worth wasting time on ?

Those are the SE's worth specifically targetting.

DarkJedi 08-01-2004 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by Groove
Those are the SE's worth specifically targetting.
thats what i said.

i was wondering if there was anything else worth spending time on.

johndoebob 08-01-2004 12:51 AM

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the term "SEO" doesnt just apply to google. And if you think google is the only engine worth going for, please, keep thinking that way
No,but most people get the most traffic from google.Of course some other rules apply for yahoo,msn and alltheweb but it's mostly just a google mirror with different domain ranks but if you got google banned domains they'll still be there.Also the msn bot is often going crazy and really getting my server down which kinda pissed me off and made me think of excluding it.

Groove 08-01-2004 12:57 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
thats what i said.

i was wondering if there was anything else worth spending time on.

I was saying that you are correct in your assumption that Google, Yahoo, MSN are the only SEs worth tragetting. There are no other SEs that can deliver enough traffic to make it worthwhile targetting them specifically. Though other worthwhile traffic sources include directories/linklists and pay-per-click SEs.

johndoebob 08-01-2004 01:00 AM

I wonder how many people have less than 90% traffic from google.

brand0n 08-01-2004 01:03 AM

i have less then 3% traffic from google currently.

Groove 08-01-2004 01:13 AM

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Originally posted by johndoebob
I wonder how many people have less than 90% traffic from google.
Dude, you're way behind the times. Yahoo has almost as many daily search queries as Google and you can expect MSN to start making major inroads into Google and Yahoo's market share in the not too distant future. The only people who are getting 90% of their SE traffic from Google are the ones that think Google is the only SE that matters.

johndoebob 08-01-2004 01:14 AM

brand0n I just mean search engine traffic.Google traffic should normally be over 95%.

brand0n 08-01-2004 01:14 AM

holy christ
Full Services $3000/month + 20% of product/membership sales. 15% of all ad invoices not paid in advance

youve got to be fucking KIDDIN me

johndoebob 08-01-2004 01:18 AM

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The only people who are getting 90% of their SE traffic from Google are the ones that think Google is the only SE that matters.
That's bullshit,you can't just optimise for google it'll automaticly get you a better yahoo and msn position.

Fact is that I get over 95% of the search engine traffic from google.And that doesn't mean you can't find my sites on the same or better position on yahoo or msn.

Groove 08-01-2004 01:19 AM

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Originally posted by johndoebob
brand0n I just mean search engine traffic.Google traffic should normally be over 95%.
That's total nonsense :2 cents:

tiamath 08-01-2004 01:22 AM

The only regular poster that knows the SE shit is swami

johndoebob 08-01-2004 01:25 AM

Groove yeah I know you want to hear that other SEs get you 20% or more traffic because every trendy wannabe tells you yahoo and msn are up and comming but that's bullshit.

Check the public awstats (and they don't get less traffic):

http://awstats.sourceforge.net/cgi-b...name=mainright

DarkJedi 08-01-2004 01:27 AM

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Originally posted by Groove
Dude, you're way behind the times. Yahoo has almost as many daily search queries as Google and you can expect MSN to start making major inroads into Google and Yahoo's market share in the not too distant future. The only people who are getting 90% of their SE traffic from Google are the ones that think Google is the only SE that matters.
too bad MSN doesnt allow dult sites.
they filter porn keywords or something.

beergood 08-01-2004 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by SEGuru
Hey Guys,

Just a few hints in finding a good SEO, as there are many people who seek it but really don't know what to look for in an SEO.

But its kind of difficult to know what questions to ask to know if they really know their stuff...without knowing SEO yourself! Catch 22.

First and formost, ask for a written proposal.

- In the proposal, you want to ask them to explain what their approach to SEO is.
- How they would apply their approach to your site's/campaign.
- Ask if they can give you guaranteed organic placement. If they say yes, they are most likely charletons. No one can make those guarantees unless its the engines themselves...so that should weed out some of the fakes.
- SEO's charge differently, some charge per page they build, or per keyword they attempt to place, performance, or flat retainer. Narrow down how you are comfortable paying and then go from there.
- Most serious SEO's will not show you their stuff, for obvious reasons. No one wants to lead people to successful pages within their niche to avoid codejackers and more competition. However, you can ask for references or even noting secondary listings that should be at the top that they feel comfortable with showing you.
- Ask lots of questions so you understand exactly what their plan of attack is. If you get double talk and skirting of your specific questions, then you should likely look elsewhere.

Also, attend the SE tradeshows and see who's staying with what's going on out there. SES starts this next week...I'll be in San Jose for it. As a business owner, you too should investigate these events as well as they are also good places to find top shelf SEO's as well.

If you need any other help drop me an email:
webmaster @ seguru.com


*yawn* hoooray for Darren

Nysus 08-01-2004 01:32 AM

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Originally posted by SEGuru
Hey Guys,

Just a few hints in finding a good SEO, as there are many people who seek it but really don't know what to look for in an SEO.

But its kind of difficult to know what questions to ask to know if they really know their stuff...without knowing SEO yourself! Catch 22.

First and formost, ask for a written proposal.

- In the proposal, you want to ask them to explain what their approach to SEO is.
- How they would apply their approach to your site's/campaign.
- Ask if they can give you guaranteed organic placement. If they say yes, they are most likely charletons. No one can make those guarantees unless its the engines themselves...so that should weed out some of the fakes.
- SEO's charge differently, some charge per page they build, or per keyword they attempt to place, performance, or flat retainer. Narrow down how you are comfortable paying and then go from there.
- Most serious SEO's will not show you their stuff, for obvious reasons. No one wants to lead people to successful pages within their niche to avoid codejackers and more competition. However, you can ask for references or even noting secondary listings that should be at the top that they feel comfortable with showing you.
- Ask lots of questions so you understand exactly what their plan of attack is. If you get double talk and skirting of your specific questions, then you should likely look elsewhere.

Also, attend the SE tradeshows and see who's staying with what's going on out there. SES starts this next week...I'll be in San Jose for it. As a business owner, you too should investigate these events as well as they are also good places to find top shelf SEO's as well.

If you need any other help drop me an email:
webmaster @ seguru.com

I think that's a bit flawed.

Any SEO that knows what they are doing would not divulge everything they know on paper, so then you don't have to pay him to do it for you.

Matt

DarkJedi 08-01-2004 01:33 AM

i got top 2 position for a good keyword in google but somehow penalized at Yahoo

when i do a search for my url i cant find it.
wtf is up with that ?

Nysus 08-01-2004 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
i got top 2 position for a good keyword in google but somehow penalized at Yahoo

when i do a search for my url i cant find it.
wtf is up with that ?

It's something you did...

Matt

psyko514 08-01-2004 01:43 AM

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Originally posted by tiamath
The only regular poster that knows the SE shit is swami
WiredGuy as well, but he's unavailable.

Groove 08-01-2004 01:48 AM

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Originally posted by johndoebob
Groove yeah I know you want to hear that other SEs get you 20% or more traffic because every trendy wannabe tells you yahoo and msn are up and comming but that's bullshit.

Check the public awstats (and they don't get less traffic):

http://awstats.sourceforge.net/cgi-b...name=mainright

All that link tells me is that http://awstats.sourceforge.net/ gets most of its traffic from Google.com. So what? That will also be the case for a large number of other sites which are well optimised for Google, but poorly optimised for Yahoo.

According to Wordtracker.com, Google accounts for 112 million searches daily or 35% of total web searches. However it is closely followed by Yahoo which accounts for 95 million or 30% of total web searches.

But if you want to believe that Google owns over 95% of the market that's fine by me :glugglug

DarkJedi 08-01-2004 01:50 AM

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Originally posted by Nysus
It's something you did...

Matt

ya think ?

baddog 08-01-2004 02:01 AM

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Originally posted by brand0n
holy christ
Full Services $3000/month + 20% of product/membership sales. 15% of all ad invoices not paid in advance

youve got to be fucking KIDDIN me

just goes to show what you know

johndoebob 08-01-2004 02:06 AM

Groove, just check your stats and tell me what you see.

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That will also be the case for a large number of other sites which are well optimised for Google, but poorly optimised for Yahoo.
Awstats isn't optimised for anything and there is no special optimisation difference that could do magic in yahoo but not in google, as I said before.

How should wordtracker know the real numbers,only yahoo can tell them.Yahoo is very popular in asia but not that popular in western countries.

Most normal western sites have over 90% google traffic.

DarkJedi 08-01-2004 02:09 AM

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Originally posted by baddog
just goes to show what you know
20% of product/membership sales. 15% of all ad invoices not paid in advance


wtf ?
who came up with this stupid idea ?

johndoebob 08-01-2004 02:13 AM

Just buy some quality PR5+ hardlinks on related sites yourself instead of giving all your money to some SEOs who do the same,maybe even get your site google banned by "experimenting" but charge an arm and a leg.

Groove 08-01-2004 02:46 AM

OK johndoebob, here's another source:

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On Tuesday, March 23, 2004, WebSideStory examined a sample of over 25 million visits and found that Google had the top share of search referrals, 40.9 percent. It was followed by Yahoo at 27.4 percent, then MSN at 19.6 percent:
http://searchenginewatch.com/img/040323-sm-pie.gif

http://searchenginewatch.com/searchd...le.php/3334881

Groove 08-01-2004 02:48 AM

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Originally posted by johndoebob
Just buy some quality PR5+ hardlinks on related sites yourself instead of giving all your money to some SEOs who do the same,maybe even get your site google banned by "experimenting" but charge an arm and a leg.
This suggestion is nuts. How the fuck is PR going to help without appropriate onsite and offsite optimisation?

Theo 08-01-2004 02:50 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
how much adult traffic per day from SEO do you think someone must be receiving before start selling his service to others?
hello


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