50. and $50K ON BUSH. TAKERS?

true....

I lean towards the left but I'm moderate and there are some Republicans I like. Bush is not one of them

Save the money if Bush wins you will need it live on.

I've met a few of those old timers though who are in their 50's/60's now and have been registered republicans their whole voting life who are going to vote for the other team this time around...



bush fucked up with thinking he could play fast and dirty with the constitution...that's one of the vital cords being struck with these old dudes I've chatted with recently...

yeah I know a lot of people who voted for Bush, but won't again...

but there's a lot of people that are staunch conservatives and will

defend the Republican candidate no matter how bad he/she is.
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Voting for Bush after this term is like begging to be raped again.

It's like when a victim sympathizes with their rapist or their captor when they are held against their will. They eventually develop unnatural sympathetic feelings toward the criminal.

Bush would piss all over your face if it meant that he could continue to run America in secret!

I hate to also be the one to reveal the fact that Bush would cut your heart out with a spork if it meant four more years for him. Now vote for him you simple minded renob.

I'm not American but listening to Kerry's speech I have to say it was GREAT :thumbsup

Bush saw your post and he now believes that Australia might have WMD. He is going to invade . . . I hope you understand! America can't fight terrorism without knocking out countries like Australia.

Go buy a helmet and get in your bomb shelter . . . here we come!!!!

Mort Konracke (sp?) one of the "Beltway Boys" on Fox News (home of fair & balanced! :1orglaugh ) even said: "I've not met one person that voted for Gore in the last election that is going to vote for Bush in this one. However, I've talked to many who voted for Bush in the last election and WILL NOT vote for him this time."

I was stunned that Fox News allowed this to air.
Of course Konracke was taken out behind the building shortly thereafter and shot. :1orglaugh

actually I think he is saying that our health care is going to improve by allowing everyone to go to Canada to buy their drugs . . . great plan

"I want an America that relies on its own ingenuity and innovation, not the Saudi royal family."

That was a wicked burn.

Wanna bet Dubya will find some way to dodge the debates? :glugglug

Thats one my favorite parts. Lets bring back jobs to America but go to Canada for your meds.
Takes the advantages of being wealthy away. Dont the wealthy create jobs? I cant afford to create a job for someone. Since I cant afford to hire someone here in the States so I think I'll send my business to india.

Yeah, the end of the internal combustion engine . . . . that will be enough to keep me from voting for him

i love these fireworks displays.

there are kids without desks but let there be no fucking campaign without 300k worth of fireworks, (oprobably WAY MORE than 300k)

amazing.

and they want you to think america loves its children.

boneprone = priceless

:1orglaugh

I thought it was a terrific political speech, even Pat Buchanan said so. He exceeded expectations but did more than that.

I think alot of people, including myself, who were simply anti-Bush before tonight, became pro-Kerry.

He was forceful, playful at times, projected strength and seemed, well, "presidential", like a statesman. He made excellent points about the flag and patriotism, religion, oil and even went after Ashie

He came into his own tonight and took full control of the Democratic party, effectively ending the Clinton era.

Overall, I thought he did what he had to do and much, much more.

HEY, that's just my frickin opinion, all right!

to every season turn turn turn...

:D

The Busy admin will find a way to get the attention on them....just you wait.

Kerry showed tonight that he is beginning to gain confidence in his role. Just wait until the debates, he is going to tear Bush apart and make him look like a child. Kerry will win in a landslide.

Do we really have a choice? (Kerry is worse than Bush, Bush is worse than Kerry, etc, etc, etc). Well we only got 2 choices and we either choose one or let Bush & his prick brother down in florida click the chads for us again.. Personally I plan to choose someone NEW.. we already know the one we got is a little angry prick who makes very poor decisions.

What kerry had to say might be bullshit (who knows) but I gotta tell you guys, for about 10 minutes it really felt great to be an american again.. I never liked the look of Kerry, he has a plastic almost fake look about him and we all know bush is a war mongering idiot with the IQ of the average house plant. I almost dont care how Kerry does, he can't possibly do any worse that what ole idiot bush has done.

Anyone going to watch the Sho-time special? I think its called "American President" or some shit like that.. I plan to be a weekly viewer of that shit.. just might get a REAL (person) president out of the deal.. We'll see.. I'm optimistic about it so far..

As someone who leans republican, I have to say that Kerry gave a pretty good speech. He said everything he needed to say and he came off looking like he would be strong on terrorism should he be elected.

Unfortunately, he did the same thing that most democrats do: he promised us the moon but didn't tell us how much it is going to cost us in the end. He said we should increase defense spending, that we should not privatize social security, and that we should not cut out important government programs, especially for kids. How exactly is he going to pay for all this? He's not going to get it by lowering taxes on the middle class, which he also promised to do in his speech.

My problem with the democrats is simple. They tell us flat out that they will not raise taxes on the middle class. I flat out don't believe them.

This is one election I wish I could vote in.

Amen to that! he is the man for the job!:glugglug

nobody is going to win in a landslide

"Recent reports from the General Accounting Office show that more than 60% of large U.S. corporations paid NO federal taxes from 1996 through 2000."

we'll start there :)

I love when politicians say, "I am going to do this, I am going to do that, and I am going to do the other thing." all without saying how he plans on doing it . . . . and lowering taxes in the process.

Who could not vote for that?

they all say thatm, so which do you vote for?

oh, and:

"In today?s weaker economy, tax receipts from companies have fallen even steeper -- corporate taxes now account for a mere 7.5 percent of overall federal tax receipts, the lowest rate since 1983. For a comparison, during WWII corporate taxes accounted for about 40% of federal tax receipts."

link

link?

Some people just can't change their narrow focus, even when they're getting shafted..oh well..

Exactly! When Bush visited ground zero after 9/11 and was with the fireman on top of that car and told those around him that the WORLD heard them and soon Osama would hear from them too..it felt GREAT to be an American.

Then we went after Osama & company..but then, suddenly we started walking a new path (Iraq) and Al Qaeda became like an afterthought. Since then, nothing that Bush has done has made me proud to be an American.

how about a link that supports these claims?

You mean like how Bush is telling us we're going to make Iraq a stable democracy?

I think its safe to say that's a pretty standard thing, even bush did that shit and since we only have 2 choices, we have to look past all that BS and figure out who is going to be a better leader, who is going to make better choices.. we already know bush is a freak whos made one too many bad ones.. time for change IMO, dont care what kerry said or bush said.. VOTE KERRY!!! :D

which claims? the gao's?

I made my 2nd donation to JohnKerry.com today.

I encourage everyone here to do the same even if its a small amount.

Kerry has raised more money than Bush so far. Its critical to financially support the candidate you are behind. Its going to be a close race and every dollar helps pay for another ad to hit the message home.

Kerry-Edwards is the way to go in this election!!!

We need to get the ultra right wing zealots out of our government and get things centered again.

are you expecting people to actually FOLLOW the thread they post in? how dare you.

i guess he missed your link.

click me

GAO pdf:

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04358.pdf

MSN Money story:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Taxes/P80242.asp

Google search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...oogle +Search

sorry it took so long. i'm on the dial up laptop ;)

if you, me, cherry and baddog ever meet up some day...we'll wrassle!

yeah, where does the gao say that 60% of large U.S. corporations paid NO federal taxes from 1996 through 2000

I saw her link and went there, I saw nothing from the GAO there

you're going to make me read a fucking pdf on my little tiny laptop? you bastard.

the msn story is good enough for me. you read the pdf, mr speed reader. :glugglug

okay, so when Clinton was in office, and everything was roses, many corps paid little or no tax. Your point?

Besides, since when did the President have anything to do with taxes? I could have sworn that Congress was who made the taxc laws. . . . did I miss a class or something?

Agreed, so why spend money on a 4 day convention? This isn't like before when a candidate was actually picked at a convention. This was 4 days of a mutual circle jerk, and the money could have better spent.

the pdf crashed my browser, would not waste my time if I were you

another thought . . . . how many people here are incorporated specifically for the tax breaks? 60% of the corps in America probably aren't even turning a profit

i right clicked the pdf, saved to desk top, opened with pdf, scrolled through, found the exact stats relatively easily.

pdfs cannot be cut and pasted but it backs it up.

page 2 of 39:

http://blogslut.com/trashy/sixty.jpg

happy now?

I guess you missed my subsequent posts . . . .and I saw the graphs, it crashed my browser when I closed it

i'm sorry. let's wrassle! :tongue:

I'd pay good money to see Baddog & Titmowse in the ring battling it out!
:Graucho



p.s. - My money is on titmowse. :thumbsup