Herb Kornfield and Chrisp's days are numbered! (Drama)

[Turboface]

They ripped me off for $1200 a few months ago and I have given them numerous opportunities to make good on it, even as recently as last Friday, but it looks like they are just going to have to learn the hard way.

You conmen have two days to pay me back what you have stolen from me, in full. You should know better than to fuck someone thats hobby is exposing scammers.

tick-tock.

[FrankWhite]

lol

[Turboface]

There was a thread about people that have been ripped off by other webmasters recently.

I decided to take the opportunity to let Herb (which is just an alias. His real name is Jim) know that I am not just going to let him get away with ripping me off and he replied:

Originally posted by Herb Kornfield
So why didnt you reach out to me about this matter to discuss it to have my crew resolve the issue?

The matter will be resolved as agreed.

This is the end of discussing this on a public forum.

This was my response:

Originally posted by Turboface
I just contacted you on ICQ a few weeks ago to see why it has been months since you sent me a payment and you were all like 'The payment is all set to go out.', but as usual, you are yesing me to death and you don't send anything. I have no idea what is going through your head, but I'm not just going to let you get away with ripping me off and just let it go.

Pay up.

All I can say Jim is that I am done listening to your lies. You and your partner in crime might as well forget posting on this board or any other aw forum because I am going to haunt you.

[kak_azn]

Scammers

[drama]

This is an approved DRAMA thread!

[Lykos]

[RicardoB]

Great now where's the other party so we can start the pissing match?

[Giorgio_Xo]

I never understood why most people don't bother to file court papers. When in doubt, sue.

[Biggy2]

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
I never understood why most people don't bother to file court papers. When in doubt, sue.

have you ever sued anyone?

for $1200, the legal fees would amount to more than the reward. only thing you could do is take it to small claims court.

[Turboface]

Originally posted by Biggy2
for $1200, the legal fees would amount to more than the reward. only thing you could do is take it to small claims court.

I'm taking him to GFY court.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Turboface
There was a thread about people that have been ripped off by other webmasters recently.

i have a feeling i know who started that thread too.

[Turboface]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
i have a feeling i know who started that thread too.

Ya, that was a good thread. It inspired me to do something about Herb and Chris.

[C_U_Next_Tuesday]

Originally posted by Turboface
I'm taking him to GFY court.

where everyone is the judge

[darnit]

Originally posted by Turboface
I'm taking him to GFY court.

The fairest court in the land

[robfantasy]

shit has hit the fan

[FreeHugeMovies]

I think I know this guy. He lives in Charlotte, NC?

Here is another cheater in North Carolina. He has a studio for video secrets.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=308221

I plan on suing him for a few thousand when I have time.

[candyflip]

I wouldn't be a good sig whore unless I got in on the first page.

How's the Pre-Birthday Celebration going?

[Turboface]

Originally posted by FreeHugeMovies
I think I know this guy. He lives in Charlotte, NC?

No Herb (Jim) lives across from the Plymouth Meeting Country Club not too far from King of Prussia, PA.

[JFK]

Originally posted by candyflip
I wouldn't be a good sig whore unless I got in on the first page.

How's the Pre-Birthday Celebration going?

Thats a good little Sig Whore ......pat pat pat

[Turboface]

Originally posted by candyflip
How's the Pre-Birthday Celebration going?

We're not doing too much special until this weekend. I wanted to go to Myrtle Beach, but we'll probably just go out somewhere local instead.

[chrisp420]

its amazing too see how childish one can act (how old are you now? 50?).

considering "turboface" acts as the internet police, and seems to tell his side of the story I might as well play in his "court".

you wanted traffic back 3-4 months ago. we ended up buying traffic from fast adult traffic, and thats what was brokered to you. about a day after the traffic was bought, and we saw the quality of it, massive amounts of threads about fast adult traffic scamming people popped up (and for you fast-to-jump sheep on this board -- try using the search to verify) from other people as well as us.

We got scammed, you bought at the same time, your payment was part of the payment made to FAT and that got handed down to you. So get it straight -- nobody purposely "scammed" you, or "ripped" you off.. If you want to go play internet police, do it to FAT they fucked many.

We then told you we would refund your money (who the hell does this in a situation like this, none that i know of). Too bad if your not getting it all in one lump sum -- you will get it in payments and thats the end of the story.

Im very surprised you didn't seem to mention you have already received a few hundred bucks from us. So try knocking that total down. Or should I post screenshots?

Lemme ask you this "turboface" since your the internet police, care to share the comment you made to me on ICQ when this deal went down similar to:

"I have so many requests for clicked traffic, I can't keep up with it, usually I just send whatever I can to complete the order.. if its garbage its garbage seems to work good for most"

Or how about what you said to Jim about the last freehost you were buying 404's from:

"I don't get from them anymore cus I kinda 'forgot to pay the bill' and they wont deal with me anymore"

Obviously the "turboface" sheep here are going to lick his ass in public, so im not expecting much, nor do logs hold much water -- but keep the above in mind.

Try acting like an adult here and not crying like a little bitch when you don't get your way. Our "days are not numbered", we do not "bow down to turboface" and your "scammers page" is straight up childish. Instead of playing a big man behind the computer why don't you come visit me in MA?

If you want to continue getting payments, stop posting bullshit whining and act like a businessman. You will get payments made to you on an installment basis. Case closed.

Id love to hear anybody else here claim they would refund somebody after they themselves got scammed either it be in installment payments, full, or even just a few payments cus its straight up bullshit.

Flock sheep flock im out.

Hope you have one hell of a shitty birthday.

[Turboface]

I am happy to see that I have your attention.

Just so everyone knows, here's what happened:

Herb Kornfield and Chrisp420 got caught trying to pull a middleman deal on me. I paid them $1250 for traffic that they claimed was from their own network. As it turned out, they just turned around and tried selling me traffic that they were just reselling from Fast Adult Traffic (One of the biggest traffic scams out there).

If I would have known they were going to pull a sneaky one like that I would not have sent them the money. Especially if I knew who they were getting it from.

They even went as far as sending me a sample of some of 'their' traffic' at first, which was really slow, but it seemed decent. When I paid and the traffic started coming in, it was all from the Russian Federation! I immediately told them to stop the traffic and return my money.

Well, Fast Adult Traffic didn't give them back the money and they told me that they would repay me even though they didn't feel like they should be responsable. We agreed on $100/mo for a year, which I think was reasonable on my part, but after one or two payments, they stopped alltogether.

After months of excuses and reasons why they can't pay, my patience has reached an end.

Oh, and Chris - I will be having a great weekend, I can assure you that you guys will not.

[asuna]

I love the AFF profile

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by drama
This is an approved DRAMA thread!

ok

[Spunky]

Damn...that's a hell of alot of reading...intresting

[stocktrader23]

I'd love to see some of these people with B&M businesses deal with huge corporations lying about 10's of thousands of dollars. Those cats pay late all the time and if you sue or talk shit you get no more business.

[Lace]

Originally posted by Turboface
No Herb (Jim) lives across from the Plymouth Meeting Country Club not too far from King of Prussia, PA.

I was just up there about 2 months ago..Not far from me.

[Turboface]

Originally posted by chrisp420
If you want to continue getting payments, stop posting bullshit whining and act like a businessman. You will get payments made to you on an installment basis. Case closed.

Chris, you guys have been saying this for months now. Herb even hit me up on ICQ a week ago when he saw me mentioning you guys on the board:


[18:21] ibjem2: Hello.....
[18:21] ibjem2: I have seen the GFY posts
[18:21] Turboface: I know.
[18:21] ibjem2: and assumed that chris had paid you for june and july bringing you up to date as agreed in the past
[18:22] ibjem2: I have come to find that was NOT the cash
[18:22] ibjem2: case
[18:22] Turboface: Well, you're assumed wrong.
[18:22] ibjem2: obivously....
[18:22] ibjem2: with that you will be brought up to date
[18:23] Turboface: Let me know when you have sent the money.
[18:23] ibjem2: let me ask you a ?
[18:23] ibjem2: there seems to be some paypal log in issues
[18:23] ibjem2: are you seeing this where you are?
[18:23] Turboface: ya
[18:23] ibjem2: ok
[18:23] ibjem2: Its not just me then
[18:23] Turboface: no
[18:23] ibjem2: once this opens up I will get you resolved
[18:24] Turboface: ok
[18:24] ibjem2: apologies
[18:24] ibjem2: and I am sure resolution will be better than anything I can say
[18:24] Turboface: No problems, as long as I am not blown off again.
[18:24] ibjem2: not a problem
[18:24] ibjem2: take care
[18:24] Turboface: bye


Herb sounds like such a nice guy (unlike Chrisp, who just seems to be an asshole), but I have come to find that it's just the fake smile of a conartist. He's always been friendly and agreeable when I talk to him, but then nothing happens. I have been told that I was going to be getting payments for months now. I think I have been more than patient.

Case reopened.

[Turboface]

Here's an ICQ log from back at the beginning of May:

[22:54] Turboface: Chris, you don't reply to any of my messages for weeks now, and you're now coming off as I am wrong here?
[22:54] chrisp: we are going out of our way to give you our cash cus a deal went bad... if we take a month or a year to do it, its more than you would see from somebody else
[22:55] chrisp: i dont have to reply to your messages, you have been speaking to jim
[22:55] Turboface: You got burned trying to pull a 'middle man' deal. You just fucked it all up.
[22:56] chrisp: iv been ripped off before, and i understand when a scam goes down, the cash is gone, and its simple as that.. nobody gave me my money back if they were the middle man or not
[22:56] Turboface: You had to pick FastAdultTraffic for the traffic - lol
[22:56] chrisp: bad decisions get made all the time, and if it were anybody else they would have just said "sorry"
[22:56] Turboface: No matter how you look at this - you fucked me and I'm not going to let you get away with it.
[22:57] Turboface: How am I wrong here?
[22:57] Turboface: You act like I am.
[22:57] chrisp: whatever, we didnt fuck you, we got fucked by somebody else and it got handed down through the line... i dont care what you do, this shit happens, and you should be happy that we are doing anything at all
[22:58] Turboface: You aren't doing anything.
[22:58] chrisp: i see it from my own real world experience.. iv been burned before, and i realize that when your burned, thats it. people dont throw cash at you to repay you
[22:58] Turboface: I'm sitting here like an asshole, waiting to get my money back.
[22:58] Turboface: Well, I don't get burned.
[22:59] Turboface: Straight up.
[22:59] chrisp: well thats good for you then, other people may not be as lucky as you weither it be cash or services, everybody at some point in their life gets burned
[22:59] chrisp: anybody who says they never have is a straight up liar... hell i get burned sometimes when i goto mcdonalds
[22:59] Turboface: Well, it looks like your about to get burned again.
[22:59] chrisp: lol
[23:00] chrisp: what are you going to do? spread the word that we didnt repay you in the amount of time you demanded?
[23:00] chrisp: tell everybody not to do shit with us?
[23:00] chrisp: thats fine, cus ill make the simple statement, that we were doing you a favor and giving you back your cash, and just cus we couldnt make your timeframe your getting pissed
[23:01] Turboface: You're full of shit, just as Jim is. It's been almost 2 months now. You don't have a leg to stand on.
[23:01] chrisp: just cus we arent giving you 100% of our daily profits doesnt mean you wont get something back...
[23:01] Turboface: As I see it right now, I have just been ripped of for $1250 and I am not going to let you scam artists get away with it.
[23:02] Turboface: I'm done playing games with you guys.

[Sly_RJ]

Just so I understand this straight...

Person A buys product from Person B. Person B supplies product which is bought from Person C. Person C is a scam and supplies bad product to Person B. Person B does or doesn't realize this and supplies product to Person A. Person A doesn't receive product previously advertised by Person B. Person A requests refund from Person B, Person B agrees to refund but doesn't feel it's quite justified because Person C ripped off Person B.

Is this more or less correct?

[candyflip]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Just so I understand this straight...

Person A buys product from Person B. Person B supplies product which is bought from Person C. Person C is a scam and supplies bad product to Person B. Person B does or doesn't realize this and supplies product to Person A. Person A doesn't receive product previously advertised by Person B. Person A requests refund from Person B, Person B agrees to refund but doesn't feel it's quite justified because Person C ripped off Person B.

Is this more or less correct?

That makes perfect sense to me.

[SureFire]

Turboface,

Not sure if I am understanding this: You paid x amount for traffic and thinking that it would come from their sites and instead they brought some traffic from another broker and the deal went bad and you are lucky to get paid back since they took your money and didn?t deliver?

Really doesn?t make sense if I am reading this right.

[Turboface]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Just so I understand this straight...

Person A buys product from Person B. Person B supplies product which is bought from Person C. Person C is a scam and supplies bad product to Person B. Person B does or doesn't realize this and supplies product to Person A. Person A doesn't receive product previously advertised by Person B. Person A requests refund from Person B, Person B agrees to refund but doesn't feel it's quite justified because Person C ripped off Person B.

Is this more or less correct?

These guys lied to me, saying that it was traffic from their network. There was never a mention of them just going to the worst traffic broker out there. If I would have known I could have easily showed them the threads showing that Fast Adult Traffic was nothing but a scam. They even sent me a sample of their traffic to bait me into sending them the money.

So, they fucked up pretty bad.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by Turboface
These guys lied to me, saying that it was traffic from their network. There was never a mention of them just going to the worst traffic broker out there. If I would have known I could have easily showed them the threads showing that Fast Adult Traffic was nothing but a scam. They even sent me a sample of their traffic to bait me into sending them the money.

So, they fucked up pretty bad.

Is my synopsis correct? Am I understanding this correctly?

[Turboface]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Is my synopsis correct? Am I understanding this correctly?

No offense, but I was a little confused with the way you put it. The bottom line is that I sent them money, they lied to me, and they never delivered what they promised me.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by Turboface
No offense, but I was a little confused with the way you put it. The bottom line is that I sent them money, they lied to me, and they never delivered what they promised me.

I'm pretty sure my synopsis was correct.

If I buy a steak at Outback and I get a bad piece of meat, I blame Outback and expect a refund from them. As a customer, I really don't care whether or not their supplier gave them bad meat. That's their responsibility to take care of, not mine.

[Turboface]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I'm pretty sure my synopsis was correct.

If I buy a steak at Outback and I get a bad piece of meat, I blame Outback and expect a refund from them. As a customer, I really don't care whether or not their supplier gave them bad meat. That's their responsibility to take care of, not mine.

That's not a very good analogy. No matter how you slice it, I got lied to and ripped off.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by Turboface
That's not a very good analogy. No matter how you slice it, I got lied to and ripped off.

Are you on crack? It's a perfect analogy. Same exact situation that was agreeing with your side of the story.

[HS-Trixxxia]

Sly_RJ - your synopsis is correct

[Turboface]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
Are you on crack? It's a perfect analogy. Same exact situation that was agreeing with your side of the story.

Oh, crap. Sorry. I thought you were siding for Herb and Chrisp.

[dropped9]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I'm pretty sure my synopsis was correct.

If I buy a steak at Outback and I get a bad piece of meat, I blame Outback and expect a refund from them. As a customer, I really don't care whether or not their supplier gave them bad meat. That's their responsibility to take care of, not mine.

I could not of put it better myself.

The ball is in their court.

[dig420]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I'm pretty sure my synopsis was correct.

If I buy a steak at Outback and I get a bad piece of meat, I blame Outback and expect a refund from them. As a customer, I really don't care whether or not their supplier gave them bad meat. That's their responsibility to take care of, not mine.

Exactly. I wouldn't have waited even this long to go public or maybe even sue them if I feel froggy.

If you can't afford to make good on 1200.00, you have NO business trying to broker traffic.

[Turboface]

Originally posted by dig420
If you can't afford to make good on 1200.00, you have NO business trying to broker traffic.

Bingo - It is truly amazing how stupid some people can be. I guess they took a gamble, trying to make some money and they got burned. I'm going to make sure they continue to feel the sting.

[chrisp420]

Uh oh the "sting" is coming down from "turboface". Your right, I am an asshole -- im not here to be your friend.

You are a straight up child that whines and crys when things don't go exactly the way he wants them, then runs to the boards. You still haven't answered me about the scams you pulled now have you internet police? Nor the amount we have sent you already, which you should have never recieved as far as im concerned.

I can give a fuck less what you whine on the boards -- want to haunt me? Go right ahead, ill be right there with you. Two can play at your childish games. You don't know me nor what ill do.

Possibly you spending all your time hunting down "scammers" and posting on GFY all day is why you live in trash? I saw those pics of your house. Fucking disgracefull.

If you weren't such a prick about the whole thing in the beginning we may have given you everything back, but you wanted to act like a jackass. So now your gonna play the bitch and take payments as we want to give them, or your gonna get shit for running your childish mouth.

I will check back here later when I need somebody to laugh at, unlike you, I have work to do.

[myjah]

Originally posted by chrisp420
If you weren't such a prick about the whole thing in the beginning we may have given you everything back, but you wanted to act like a jackass. So now your gonna play the bitch and take payments as we want to give them, or your gonna get shit for running your childish mouth.

Aren't you the one who's being a prick, given the fact that you did bad business with someone and now you want them to "play the bitch'? You said you would refund the money and you haven't yet. You have made it perfectly clear that you don't know how to take care of your customers which is the very first thing a GOOD business person does. I would never do business with you after reading YOUR very own words on this board.

[candyflip]

They can't afford to pay him back. Too funny.

[Juicy D. Links]

Originally posted by Lykos

[JFK]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ
I'm pretty sure my synopsis was correct.

If I buy a steak at Outback and I get a bad piece of meat, I blame Outback and expect a refund from them. As a customer, I really don't care whether or not their supplier gave them bad meat. That's their responsibility to take care of, not mine.

After the last time at the Outback, I wont be buying Steaks from them again

[Turboface]

Originally posted by chrisp420
If you weren't such a prick about the whole thing in the beginning we may have given you everything back, but you wanted to act like a jackass. So now your gonna play the bitch and take payments as we want to give them, or your gonna get shit for running your childish mouth.

Chris, I enjoy reading your replies. Your arrogance and ignorance just come shining through.

You say that I have been a 'prick about the whole thing in the beginning'? I sent you guys the money way back in the beginning of March. I think I have been too nice about this for too long. I should have done this months ago.

Now this is priceless - 'So now your gonna play the bitch and take payments as we want to give them, or your gonna get shit for running your childish mouth.'

I don't want your payments. You've already proven yourself to be untrustworthy and dishonest. I want payment in full.

I don't know what is more laughable, your poor spelling and grammar or the complete lack of a single person supporting you. Not even your partner in crime has the balls to say anything. Do you know why Herb isn't posting here? It is because he is ashamed - as you should be, but apparantly aren't.

[Turboface]

Originally posted by chrisp420
Your right, I am an asshole

Well, at least he's not a total liar.