You dont see the difference between calling yourself a Jew and calling yourself Irish?

Calling yourself Irish doesnt insinuate who your God is. And when I know who your God is, I can make a whoooole lot of assumptions as I have probably at the very least perused your book of scripture.



And I didnt say the Torah was Israeli law.

I said The Torah condones the owning of slaves. Both Jew and Gentile

And what is the Torah again?



The religion may not run the country, but it sure as hell has a big influence. Abortion for example. Who is playing with that right now. There is supposed to be a seperation of church and state in this country. Its not so in Israel.

And any talk of government and religion in the USA is a joke. We are a godless nation. We use religion as a label, not a way of life here.


Communist.

I'm moving to Israel

Labret, you have not said anything of substance. Your quoted the bible, which the Israeli laws are only partly based upon. Basiclly by quoting the bible you only proved that the bible deed indeed condone slavery. Nothing more.
You also stated that the continued existence of Israel is due to the bible. This is obviously not true. As for justification, a country does not need a justification for existence.

Sure I see a difference between calling oneself a Jew and calling oneself Irish. Just not the same on you do. I believe that there are a number of people who identify as Jewish, who do not adhere to Judaism. Can you not consider the possibility that the religion has been around so long that the decendants of past Jews (religious) now call themselves Jewish as an ethnicity?

I agree. You did not say the Torah (Pentateuch, Old Testament, etc.) was Israeli Law. However, you tried to enter passages from it into a discussion about what is legal in Israel, and what is not... didn't you?

As for religion here in the US... Are you asserting that Israel is only a Theocracy to the extent that the US is? You seem to come close. If so, I guess my work here is done. I won't argue that either sees no pressure from religios doctrine. My point was that the Law of the Torah is not the Law of the Land. Either way, I guess I just don't get your point... How are passages from the Torah relevant to what is legan in Israel? Rather than point, counterpoint, reply... Why don't you start over and explain from the ground up how that argument is supposed to work.

And, once again, I am reminded that you're a funny guy. "Communist" is a great reply. Really reminded me that everything you do is tongue-in-cheek. You fascist. ;)

And who uses the Torah as the basis for their faith again?

You are an idiot, and you just proved it.

Let's see. Koran is based on the Torah, Christianity.

Am I? That's what people say when they know they are wrong. Let's see, the reason the Jewish state was created is because there were 6 million Jews killed in the Holocaust and the world came to the realization that if a Jewish state would not be created then such things would continue to happen. As for the geographical location- It is the ancient home of the Jews not only according to the bible but also according to numberous Roman documents.

Son of executed female collaborator says was tortured : By The Associated Press

"The son of the first known Palestinian woman to be executed as an Israeli collaborator Sunday said gunmen tortured him until he invented a story about his mother's involvement in a militant's death.

Ikhlas Khouli, a 35-year-old mother of seven, was shot dead Saturday after being seized from her home in the West Bank city of Tul Karm.

Bakir Khouli, 17, lifted up his T-shirt at his one-room house in Tul Karm on Sunday to reveal black and blue marks he said were made by electrical wires shortly before his mother was killed. "

Ok, there is the 6th grade cry baby account of the creation of Israel.

According to the "bible", the Canaanites were there before the Jews. Remember... those are the ones that the God if Israel commanded the Jews to wipe off the face of the earth.

Too make a long story short...

After the war 10s of thousands of Jews were left displaced and living in displaced persons camps all over Europe. Backed by wealthy American Jews, Zionist terrorist organizations began flooding "Israel" with illegal immigrants in order to gain some influence with the British. Up until that point, they were a small minority in "Israel". Through the use of terrorism the British caved in to the Zionists.

Bingo bango... Israel.

You know jack shit.

Can you translate for me please?


BTW Labret, I am not xxxmanager. Good try.

Labret just hates jews right? Just like Hitler didnt like them.
Only difference is, Hitler had the power to do something about that. Labret can not do shit. And if anybody think that Labret's heart bleeds for Palestinians, then that anybody is stupid.
He just likes they kill jews, but doesnt give a fuck about them.
Right Labret, "Enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Let's just say chinese will start killing jews next month,
then you will see Labret supporting chinese

Well god damn, it finally sank in eh? For months you been calling me an Arab.

I dont hate Jews. I hate Zionists. Get your shit straight.

I hate Canadians. If someone started blowing them up, I would be applauding them. If someone started blowing up the French, its all good. I love the IRA, they do good work. Hell, I want to see Osama drop a nuke on New York City. The world is full of people that need to be cleansed.

So dont paint me as some sort of Nazi. My list of white people I want dead is looooooong.

But I have a feeling that it will take another 6 months for that one to penetrate that shell of chocolately ignorance that surrounds your Canadian public school educated brain.

Well Labret, I like your line "Enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Maybe That's why I like Israel. Personally I have never been there and I dont think I even know any jew.

And dont be jealous that canadian schools are better than american. You know my husband is american and works in the states, but the reason we live on this side of the border is,
we didnt wanna put our son through US school system.
Remember jealousy will not get you anywhere.:Graucho

Good nite

In fact, archeological evidence (artifacts, etc) shows that the Jews did not wipe out the Canaanites but intermarried with them.

Do you really think Israel would exist if the Holocaust never happened? Anyways suppose your version of events is somewhat true. First of all there were no Israeli terrorists in the way there are Arab terrorists. They never killed women and children and they were seeking a peaceful solution. The arabs were always the unreasonable ones. Once Israel had the land it defended it's claim many times against it's Enemies. I think they have more claim to the land than any other country to their land.
Anyways it's useless arguing with you...you just hate Jews...

Are you saying the Torah is false? Are you calling the God of Israel a liar?

The archaeological record proves that Neanderthal and Homo erectus both populated the area that is now Israel. Give it back to them.




You think the push into Israel by Zionists does not pre-date the "holocaust"? Go to any site about Zionism. So long as there has been a Zionist, there has been a desire to repopulate the homeland as God commanded.



Somewhat true? That just leads me to believe you are ignorant of the facts. So far your only justification for Israel has revolved around the same argument I was given in elementary school. You have no idea what you are talking about.



Is that right?

Any of what I am about to quote is easily verified on the web.



Please explain.

Ahh yes. The last refuge of a broken individual.

Come back when you learn a little history.

Dating outside your race? Race traitor.

Iraq has said they would attack Israel if provoked by the US - just like they did in the Gulf War by firing 39 scud missiles into Tel Aviv.

What is the source of all your "facts" Labret. I did a search on the web and all I could find is anti semitic sites that present no opposing view point. There was no single at least "semi-impartial" source. It is typical of people like you to use a long list of half thruths to try and "prove" a point. For example the British received at least six warnings before the King David Hotel was blown up. Your points prove nothing anyways. A country does not need to justify it's existence. That's all for me. I don't want to get into an endless chain of arguments with an idiot.

To deny the incredible power of the religious right in Israel is just showing how little you know about the situation.

Do you think that the Arab problem is a day to day issue for the average Israeli? It isn't - the biggest problem facing Israel today is the continuing pressure munted against its own citizens by the religious right. Try and drive down Tel Aviv on a Saturday and you'll know what I mean.

Straight BS - post a link to prove this.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_arhs.htm
The archeological record shows that, in many cases, cities mentioned in Joshua did not exist when the Israelite invasion was supposed to have happened. In most of the other locations, there were no signs of destruction as described in the Bible. There is a growing belief among archeologists that neither of the Biblical stories is true. Rather, the Israelites developed from what some call proto-Israelites who "...started out as indigenous Canaanites," already in Canaan. 2 In other words, the ancient Israelites started as a sub-culture within Canaan; they did not attack Canaan from outside

The site took the info this book:Philip Davies, "What separates a Minimalist from a Maximalist? Not much," Bible Archeology Review, 2000-MAR/APR Vol 26, #2, Page 24 to 27; 72 & 73.

Okay. I was abit wrong off on this but the point is the Israelites did not kill off the Canaanites according to archeological evidence.

like I said - do you have something to prove what you said to be true?

So you are calling Elohim a liar and the biblical account is false. Correct?

What evidence can I offer? Do you want the pottery sent over to your house?
There are plenty of other sites. This is pretty well known. Here is another:
http://essenes.crosswinds.net/m84.htm#Deuteronomic
Many history professors would confirm this. Do a google search. Make sure what you find is supported by archeological evidence.
I'm off.

Good night

SO what are you trying to prove again?

Its a simple yes or no.

You refute the claims of the Torah.

You destroy the only argument the Zionists have to Israel.

Couldnt have done it any better myself.

Again. There needn't be any claim. What claim does US have for US soil? Israelis turned the land into a first world country while their neighbours are still in the stone age. They defended the land through many wars.
Good Night

They turned it into? Must have been easy with the billions we pumped in.

Stone age? Ever heard of cultural relativism? You broke anthro rule #1.

Goodnight dumbass.

As for the USA. It wasnt given to us. And last time I checked someone didnt claim to have an old book that states the land was ours.

Labret,
Whenever I see some ass wipe liberal bitch about the seperation of church and state. I think about you for a second. It makes the whole experiance a little easier to accept.

:1orglaugh

Why me?

Im afraid its too late. She is breeding.

Note to self. After the revolution, begin forced sterilizations.

ah, you see ? old threads can be entertaining !

Ah I see Labret is destroying the "arguments" of some not so informed people.

Nice read.

That's the second time I've seen you imply that Jews were heavily involved in the African slave trade. Got any sources? The only thing I can find is a book put out in 1991 by the Nation Of Islam.


It's also the second time I've seen you try to use the Old Testament to ascribe slavery to Judaism. Let's see what the NEW Testament says about slavery.


"Slaves, be obedient to those who are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ;" 6 not by way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. 7 With good will render service, as to the Lord, and not to men, 8 knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free. 9 And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him. Col 3:22

"Slaves, in all things obey those who are your masters on earth, not with external service, as those who merely please men, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord." Col 3:24

"Masters, grant to your slaves justice and fairness, knowing that you too have a Master in heaven." 1 Tim 6:1

"All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against." 1 Tim 6:2


So it appears that Christianity condones slavery too.

Why don't you post some referrence before passing this off as fact. Why the fuck should i believe you?

You really gone and stepped in it this time eh?

So what books do you choose from the New Testament to back up your claims of Christianity embracing slavery?

Drumroll please...

Pauline Epistles.

Who was Paul? A Roman Jew who ran around the countryside killing Christians for the Jews until his conversion on the road to Damascus.

One, last I checked the Old Testament was part of the Bible. Two, choosing a Pauline Epistle to back up any claim about how Christians think is absurd. Some people want the Epistles removed from the New Testament entirely for historically as well as scriptural inaccuracies. Its about as valid as quoting Elvis.

Dip and shit.

Labret you always saying that Jews don't have claim to their land in Israel.

Who has that claim then and why?

Instead of just continuously defending your view that Israeli land doesn't belong to Jews, then please give a better option. Whom does the land belong to, in your opinion, and why?

.

The Keebler Elves. All they have is that old tree.

Hmm well I just cannot see what is the relevancy between the Zionist terrorism against British in the 40's and today's situation.

There would be war all over the world if we went back to 40's in order to justify where the borders should be drawn.

Soviet Union took some land from Finland, I don't cry about it, nor do I commit suicide bombings in St Petersburg. Why can't the Palestines just shut the fuck up?

Ahahahahaha. Now that's some funny shit. Talk about your double standards. Judaism embraces slavery cause their book says so. Christianity doesn't even though their book says so.

Regardless, you have to be a complete lunatic to think that the Jews of TODAY condone slavery.

If your livelihood was controlled by the Russians there is a good chance you would be.

They are isolated in ghettos, their movement controlled like cattle.

You cannot compare Karelia and Palestine.