Bill Oreilly Vs Moore On NOW !!!!

[mahoney]

I am at work can you tell me how it went and who came out looking like a jack ass ?

[hydro]

yea i heard about it last night, watching it now

[mahoney]

Originally posted by hydro
yea i heard about it last night, watching it now

ok are they at echothers throats or what ?

[Jace]

what channel?

[hydro]

moore isnt on yet, right now bill is talking to ben affleck

[hydro]

Originally posted by JaceXXX
what channel?

fox news channel

[Jace]

Originally posted by hydro
fox news channel

haha, i have that blocked from my directv...time to hit the control panel

[Gheenz]

Originally posted by JaceXXX
what channel?

Fox News at 8PM EST & again at 11PM EST.

Should be very interesting to see.

[mahoney]

???????? come on mofos give me the dirt

[spanky part 2]

Hey did you hear their new motto that's replacing fair and balanced.

FOX network, All Republican, All The Time !

[BVF]

I have it on now. My kid is itching to watch cartoons so it better be good.

[TheGoldenChild]

O'reilly got his ass handed to him IMHO-

[baddog]

Moore can't handle the heat . . . . he is coming off worse than expected

[mahoney]

Originally posted by kBizzle
O'reilly got his ass handed to him IMHO-

[baddog]

Originally posted by kBizzle
O'reilly got his ass handed to him IMHO-

really? part 2?

[mahoney]

Originally posted by baddog
really? part 2?

huh ?

[Tom_PMs]

Originally posted by baddog
Moore can't handle the heat . . . . he is coming off worse than expected

This proves it's all a matter of perspective, because I see it the exact opposite

[tony286]

thats so funny guy says oreilly is getting his ass kicked and the guy directly under him says Moore can't handle him and looks bad.

[hottoddy]

Anyone who thinks Moore looked good needs to tighten their helmet.

[Meta Ridley]

Originally posted by hottoddy
Anyone who thinks Moore looked good needs to tighten their helmet.

I support moore but I agree he looked bad.

[Gheenz]

Originally posted by Meta Ridley
I support moore but I agree he looked bad.

So you'd give this round to O'Reilly?

[Tom_PMs]

The point is he didnt look bad

He's just a movie maker, lol. To attach so much importance to a anti-bush movie is very telling..

Especially when possibly the biggest dig oreilly could make was that sadam killed so many of his own people. That was in the late 1980's in case people forget.. and we drove him out of Kuwait in 1991 and didnt do jack shit about him killing his own people.

Ah well, didnt expect anything but a back and forth that didnt make much sense other than to expose hard liner views. Blind ideology indeed.

[mahoney]

Originally posted by hottoddy
Anyone who thinks Moore looked good needs to tighten their helmet.

oh great, so it's going to be just like the movie. Everyone is divided again ?

[rakeback]

I'm going to give the victory to O'riely.

I dont necessarially like either, but moore kept trying to spin things,

Asking someone if they would sacrifice their child to secure falujiah,

Bill said, he would sacrifice himself.

Moore kept pressing him though.

I think bill had better points and examples, including when he said that if moore was president that he would have not taken hitler out.

then moore said he would have never let hitler take power with is completely in conflict with his previous statement.

[bret]

anyone else pick up on how UNIFORMED michael moore actually is?

o'reilly could have dug into him alot harder if he really wanted to. a normal guest would have gotten it a lost worse. he actually let him ask more then one question in a row...

[dig420]

Looked to me like Moore lit him up. I didn't see O'Reilly volunteering his kid to go fight, and I liked the way Moore brought him around full circle. BOR says that equating Saddam with the terrorists was a mistake, then he tries to say that we were fighting terrorism by removing Saddam.

I also noticed that BOR totally talked over Moore when Moore brought up the point that Bush wasn't given bad information, he INSISTED on bad information, and didn't accept any intelligence that didn't point to Saddam being linked to AQ. imho the dems need to drive this point home a little more forcefully. Bush wasn't what he is currently claiming to be, an innocent being fed bad information. He knew what information he wanted, he made it very clear to the intelligence community and he didn't stop until he got it.

Cheney is STILL going around saying Saddam was tied in with AQ. Why? Because he knows that the conservative base, people like Theking, are so stupid that if he keeps saying it they'll keep believing it, regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary.

[dig420]

Originally posted by rakeback
I think bill had better points and examples, including when he said that if moore was president that he would have not taken hitler out.

Wouldn't have taken Hitler out? We didn't go after Hitler until the Axis attacked us, which is exactly what Moore said he would have done as well, except he would have tried to have him assassinated before he came to power. And why the fuck was BOR talking about WWII anyway? Because he was getting fucked up talking about Iraq.

[Tom_PMs]

Originally posted by dig420
Looked to me like Moore lit him up. I didn't see O'Reilly volunteering his kid to go fight, and I liked the way Moore brought him around full circle. BOR says that equating Saddam with the terrorists was a mistake, then he tries to say that we were fighting terrorism by removing Saddam.

I also noticed that BOR totally talked over Moore when Moore brought up the point that Bush wasn't given bad information, he INSISTED on bad information, and didn't accept any intelligence that didn't point to Saddam being linked to AQ. imho the dems need to drive this point home a little more forcefully. Bush wasn't what he is currently claiming to be, an innocent being fed bad information. He knew what information he wanted, he made it very clear to the intelligence community and he didn't stop until he got it.

Cheney is STILL going around saying Saddam was tied in with AQ. Why? Because he knows that the conservative base, people like Theking, are so stupid that if he keeps saying it they'll keep believing it, regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary.

Agree.

Bush either is a liar, or severely incompetent and has yet to fire a single person for all these "mistakes" that he was apparently forced to swallow...

Moore makes MOVIES for craps sake, lmao.

Time for big brother..

[spanky part 2]

BOR just got his ass handed to him. Did you see how he stumbled for words when asked what he would say to the parents of the 900 killed.

Fucking classic.

[benc]

Moore is blinded by his ideology. I was impressed by Ben Affleck. Hes a hollywood democrat, but came off very moderate and rational. Thats the tone a lot of people could learn from.


My take on Moore is people try to look for him to solutions. He has no solutions. The solutions he suggest arent realistic. Hes just a second guesser filmmaker who found a niche group he could take advantage of.

[bret]

Originally posted by spanky part 2
BOR just got his ass handed to him. Did you see how he stumbled for words when asked what he would say to the parents of the 900 killed.

Fucking classic.

you go on national tv, and when someone impromptly asks you what you would say to the parents of a dead child, you answer off the cuff without bothering to think through what you are about to say infront of millions of viewers. please, any wrong word could have burried bill, that was a bear trap, and thankfully he did not get caught in it.

[scoobydookc]

Originally posted by dig420
Looked to me like Moore lit him up. I didn't see O'Reilly volunteering his kid to go fight, and I liked the way Moore brought him around full circle. BOR says that equating Saddam with the terrorists was a mistake, then he tries to say that we were fighting terrorism by removing Saddam.

I also noticed that BOR totally talked over Moore when Moore brought up the point that Bush wasn't given bad information, he INSISTED on bad information, and didn't accept any intelligence that didn't point to Saddam being linked to AQ. imho the dems need to drive this point home a little more forcefully. Bush wasn't what he is currently claiming to be, an innocent being fed bad information. He knew what information he wanted, he made it very clear to the intelligence community and he didn't stop until he got it.

Cheney is STILL going around saying Saddam was tied in with AQ. Why? Because he knows that the conservative base, people like Theking, are so stupid that if he keeps saying it they'll keep believing it, regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary.

Like "BOR" said, did Bush also goto Putin and tell him he only wants to hear bad information after the fact? British Intelligence as well? "BOR Didn't give his kid up to go fight, that was a victory!"

Moore made a total fool of himself, and BOR did let him off. I will be searching for a transcript if needed:

BOR: All of the intelligence agencies were reporting to him there were WMD. Tenet looked Bush in the eye and said "WMD is a slum dunk." This was the information Bush was given, and you are calling what he did lying?

Moore: Yes, it was a lie. If I said nothing was happening on the floor (of the DNC) right now, would it be a lie?

BOR: Yes, we can see things are going on...

Moore: No, I can't... but when I turn and look....

Finally in the second half BOR caught on to this and could have nailed him, but got side tracked. Equated to World War II this would be saying the president was presented with information that Hitler was committing genocide on every jew within his nation, and had plans to invade bordering nations to help further this cause, and simply wait until he saw a dead body to act.

In which case, maybe we would have been better off waiting until Saddam used one of the WMD to try and stop him.

We learned nothing from Sept. 11?

[dig420]

Originally posted by bret
you go on national tv, and when someone impromptly asks you what you would say to the parents of a dead child, you answer off the cuff without bothering to think through what you are about to say infront of millions of viewers. please, any wrong word could have burried bill, that was a bear trap, and thankfully he did not get caught in it.

yes he did. He got FUCKED UP on tv, too bad he couldn't cut his mike eh?

[Thugmaster]

Moore looked out of place sitting there to me. He needs to step his debate game up. O'Reilly does this for a living night in and night out, going after people face to face. So I thought Moore looked decent given the circumstances. But O'Reilly was more convincing to me and seemed to have his facts more in order. I don't particularly like either one but I enjoyed watching them go head to head.

[dig420]

Originally posted by scoobydookc
Like "BOR" said, did Bush also goto Putin and tell him he only wants to hear bad information after the fact? British Intelligence as well? "BOR Didn't give his kid up to go fight, that was a victory!"

BOR: All of the intelligence agencies were reporting to him there were WMD. Tenet looked Bush in the eye and said "WMD is a slum dunk." This was the information Bush was given, and you are calling what he did lying?

oh we're taking the lead of Putin now? The journalist murdering Putin? MI6 gets their intelligence from us. We knew AT THE TIME that it was bad intelligence, I don't know how all you conservatives seem to have forgotten this. We KNEW that Bush was hunting for only ONE storyline in anything he was given, and we objected to it at the time as well as after the action.

Bottom line: Bush knew what he wanted to hear, he let everybody else know, and he wasn't listening to anything else that didn't support what he already knew he was going to do. Tenet had to say it was a slam dunk because Bush had just asked him if he now had justification to go after Iraq. Tenet knew what the boss wanted and tried to give it to him, like any good employee.

[bret]

Originally posted by dig420
yes he did. He got FUCKED UP on tv, too bad he couldn't cut his mike eh?

if it makes you sleep better at night, you can go on thinking whatever you want.

[scoobydookc]

Originally posted by dig420
oh we're taking the lead of Putin now? The journalist murdering Putin? MI6 gets their intelligence from us. We knew AT THE TIME that it was bad intelligence, I don't know how all you conservatives seem to have forgotten this.

We knew at the time it was bad intelligence, somehow you and Michael Moore know this, and yet Bush hasn't been impeached. I find this confusing, maybe it's because you have no proof

If Bill Clinton can get impeached over lying about a blow job, Bush would have cries for impeachment as well, 10 times as loud from both sides of the aisle when it concerns war.

I defy you to give me evidence of this. And I am still waiting to see how Bush controlled the Russian government to give the same information, as well as the British government. If we KNEW it was bad information, and MI6 gets their information from us... Do I need to answer that?

Do you remember when Saddam was saying "We don't have the WMD, come look?" Wait... that quote is on the same page as your "evidence of this bad information."

Just like when a cop asks to search your car *with* probable cause, not permitting him to is as good as saying "I'm Guilty." And yes, we had plenty of probable cause with Hussein. End of story.

[spanky part 2]

OK so lets say Bush didn't lie, where is the apology for the mistake. That's what Moore was trying to get across, but you Bush lovers are too blind to see it.

Bush can't do anything wrong and he can't ride a bike either.

[spanky part 2]

Originally posted by bret
if it makes you sleep better at night, you can go on thinking whatever you want.

The next time I will sleep well will be the night I know that Bush is going back to his Texas ranch for good.

[scoobydookc]

Originally posted by spanky part 2
OK so lets say Bush didn't lie, where is the apology for the mistake. That's what Moore was trying to get across, but you Bush lovers are too blind to see it.

Bush can't do anything wrong and he can't ride a bike either.

Actually Moore never conceded to say it was a mistake, he upheld his belief that it was still a lie. Mistake to goto war over WMD that were never found would be good, yes.... But I'm of the belief that we still did good by removing him; only if we had done it the first time.

[fr8]

Is that makeup I see?

[Phoenix]

ah we dont get fox news here

im hoping they ban CNN as well

[spanky part 2]

Originally posted by scoobydookc
Actually Moore never conceded to say it was a mistake, he upheld his belief that it was still a lie. Mistake to goto war over WMD that were never found would be good, yes.... But I'm of the belief that we still did good by removing him; only if we had done it the first time.

Well truth be told, it was a fucking lie. Go read the Richard Clark book. They had these plans on the shelf when they got into office. I look at this book as the most informative, because he worked for so many presidents in the same capacity.

Basically says Bush isn't stupid, just very simple.

[dig420]

Originally posted by scoobydookc
We knew at the time it was bad intelligence, somehow you and Michael Moore know this, and yet Bush hasn't been impeached.

Because Democrats are far more responsible than Republicans. We don't misuse powers that are intended for use only in worst-case scenarios, such as overt criminal action. We are more interested in the health and functionality of this nation than we are in our own power.

Unlike you irresponsible, reckless fucking republicans.

[scoobydookc]

Originally posted by dig420
Because Democrats are far more responsible than Republicans. We don't misuse powers that are intended for use only in worst-case scenarios, such as overt criminal action. We are more interested in the health and functionality of this nation than we are in our own power.

Unlike you irresponsible, reckless fucking republicans.

You might have missed the point of what I ment to say... I was meaning to say Clinton lies about a blow job, Bush lies on this grand scale, you have hard core proof and nothing is being done about it? I find that VERY hard to believe.

This is also to reply to the person who spoke about the Richard Clarke book, with all of that information and evidence, I don't see anyone getting their panties up in a bunch to get him impeached, do you?

If the guy wrote a book, already there's more information to impeach him on than what we had on Clinton... no? Less politics more action.

[dig420]

Originally posted by scoobydookc
You might have missed the point of what I ment to say... I was meaning to say Clinton lies about a blow job, Bush lies on this grand scale, you have hard core proof and nothing is being done about it? I find that VERY hard to believe.

This is also to reply to the person who spoke about the Richard Clarke book, with all of that information and evidence, I don't see anyone getting their panties up in a bunch to get him impeached, do you?

If the guy wrote a book, already there's more information to impeach him on than what we had on Clinton... no? Less politics more action.

did you read my post, or just having trouble with comprehension?

[BigG]

Bill O?Reilly is a complete idiot.

He seems to ignore all logic and argues like a fifth grader.

I have never watched O'Reilly before but I sat through some of his "interviews" waiting to see what happens with Michael Moore.

I am now completely convinced that only the uninformed and illogical can sit through a Bill O'Reilly show.

[bret]

Originally posted by dig420
Because Democrats are far more responsible than Republicans. We don't misuse powers that are intended for use only in worst-case scenarios, such as overt criminal action. We are more interested in the health and functionality of this nation than we are in our own power.

Unlike you irresponsible, reckless fucking republicans.

and what a great job they do at it too... what democratic program is responsible? EVERY SINGLE PROGRAM IMPLEMENTED BY A DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS FAILED TO MEET ITS OBJECTIVES. and then they try and fix them by fucking up other programs.

social security is a fucking mess because of the reckless spending by IRRESPONSIBLE democrats. if they gave two shits about the people they say they do, they would solve their problems instead of throwing money at them.

[scoobydookc]

dig420 I've read your post and it pans out to one thing: you don't have the evidence to do anything about it.

What exactly is a worst-case scenario? I remember you democrats wanting to go straight to court over a Florida election... If you're more interested in the health of this nation than your power, I guess prolonging an election for months and taking it to the SUPREME COURT and making your constituants DOUBT THE ELECTION PROCESS is healthy compared to sending kids off to a war based on a "LIE" which you have proof of.

Obviously if you democrats had the evidence, they would be voting on it now.

[dig420]

Originally posted by scoobydookc
dig420 I've read your post and it pans out to one thing: you don't have the evidence to do anything about it.

What exactly is a worst-case scenario? I remember you democrats wanting to go straight to court over a Florida election... If you're more interested in the health of this nation than your power, I guess prolonging an election for months and taking it to the SUPREME COURT and making your constituants DOUBT THE ELECTION PROCESS is healthy compared to sending kids off to a war based on a "LIE" which you have proof of.

Obviously if you democrats had the evidence, they would be voting on it now.

If the initial count had favored Gore, with all the bullshit about Katherine Harris and Jeb in Florida going on in the bg the Repubs would have declared a revolution. We'd STILL have an interim president.

One thing I know about you conservatives though is that words are wasted on you. If you had the ability to see reason you wouldn't be a conservative in the first place.