Once again I will say it, tell me how the election counts in Florida in the 2000 election is worthy of taking to the supreme court, but this evidence you have of George Bush LYING TO THE COUNTRY and DISCOUNTING INTELLIGENCE TO ACHIEVE A PREDETERMINED ANSWER is not worth impeachment.

If this information is true on Bush, and you claim to have evidence.... I would love to see it (no sarcasm.)

Then I want you to explain to me how you have this evidence, along with people in power (democrats in congress) AND HE IS STILL IN OFFICE. Along with an explanation of how this is more healthy to the country by not impeaching him, and I would gladly -- on this day become a liberal democrat for the rest of my life, and vote as one.

My imitation of a republican.......baaaaaaaaaaaaa

Why are you all a bunch of angry sheep.

We need a fucking president that speaks for the regular people.

regular people dont get represented because they are trying to survive and cant get off work to go vote.

Speaking of sheep and what it implies, where is this evidence? Where is this hardcore evidence that all of you democrats base your hatred for Bush at that I'm waiting for?

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How many billions/trillions has the US thrown away on iraq so far? Something far more than what any democrat ever threw away.

I think the point is that Bush was given bad information . . . . by everyone . . . . from every country's intelligence

ware can i read it?:Graucho

see ya in 2008

please kill yourself

Oh give me a break.....What bull shit is that.

I have not seen it yet, but you got to wonder why would Moore step into the Lions den with O Reilly? This is what Bill O Reilly does ever day, with out seeing it I am sure Moore had his head handed to him...He is a film director....not a talk show man.

Then here is the other side of it, why is Fox News still head and shoulders above the network new stations?....kind of makes you wonder ?:2 cents:

Will give my full opinion tonight after watching show...

All I can say is Moore is a peice of shit and should return his oscar.

Hope Oreilly lays into him.

Excellent point Baddog, so easy to point the finger or play arm chair quarterback...the most difficult of time for this country...

Not once did I see someone say anything about our troops, and that we are at War..did not see Tricky Bill Clinton or Big Butt Hillary say anything? :Graucho

I love how bill wouldn't say he would send his kid there and that he would go.... Yeah right.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

The only one who makes any sense in this thread as far as the argument goes is dig420

I dont watch christian news orgs like Fox but whats even worse is watching or listening to anything O'Reilly says or does and getting enthused about it.

Jesus this topic brought out the idiots from both sides didnt it.
Here's an oppinion from the outside.

-Moore defined using inacurate information unknowingly 'lying' which i think is pretty stupid. Especially when it comes from supposedly reliable sources such as the CIA. As stupid as it may be, it is not lying.
-O'reilly didn't ask the correct questions....could have done alot better.
-Moore used emotional and pointless argument when asking if O'reilly would sacrifice his son for falluja.

In summary......Moore was able to avoid O'reilly quite well by taking up time arguing definitions rather than issues. If I were O'reilly I would have asked him questions relating to the inaccuracies in his films, whether he believed his films were documentaries or entertainment, why he doesn't move abroad if its apparently far greatr etc.

Any oppinions?

The reason you never hear any conservatives ask about the inaccuracies in his film is because there are none. However, nobody who listens exclusively to Fox news would know this or even be able to digest the information if it's spelled out to them letter by letter.

In fact, I think it's hilarious listening to conservative assclowns talking about the integrity of Fox news even AFTER a documentary came out that has real time footage of them framing their information according to the command of the Republican Party. If Bush went on national television and said he was a Nazi that liked to sodomize small colored children, the weird-ass conservative pornographers here wouldn't abandon Bush. They'd go find some small colored children of their own and congratulate themselves on how much better their sex lives are than the Democrats.

In summary, conservatives are angry sheep with deep emotional problems.

Pig shit.

I did not read the thread, but let me guess what its about...

liberals that hate republicans, conservatives and bush... .still hate republicans, conservatives and bush.

conservatives think michael moore is full of shit and nothing more than a disturbed propagandist that hates america and a liar.

*yawn*

translation: if you don't agree with me, you must be wrong

pfft . . . give me a break Bernie . . . you are obviously the most angry person in this thread . . . I hate to think what the next 4 years are going to do to you

not exactly . . . I am hardly a conservative, don't like Bush (but am not convinced that a) Kerry is the answer; or b) that Kerry can beat him), and think Moore is a total asshat.

I happened to watch Roger and Me (can't believe the grammar) the other night. I have not seen it in many years, so this was the first time I looked at is as a "documentary" and I have to say, Moore has always been an idiot. Perhaps a Communist ideologist, but a definite idiot.

oreilly needs a kick in tha nuts

i think Moore does a great job at doing exactly what he is trying to do.. get people to talk about what he feels are important issues. it's unfortuneate that he does not have the talent to do it without distorting reality so much, but then again, it just makes people talk even more.

I too...am not a conservative...and I too do not like Mr. Bush holding the title of President...but I do not dislike Moore...because I accept him for what he once stated on the now defunct Politically Correct show that he is..."an entertainer that is laughing all the way to the bank". Some of the uninformed/misinformed began to take him seriously and he has gone along...playing the role...and I am sure...he is still laughing all the way to the bank.

you must be a conservative sheep if you don't agree with me :winkwink:

In fact Reagan and Rumsfeld didn't really mind Saddam gassing people, they helped him with the material for that and he even got a handshake from Rumsfeld personally. Good job Saddam! As long as you listen to the US you can do whatever you want.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/
http://www.sundayherald.com/27735

Because most Americans like to have their thinking done for them.

Huh? "Anit-Bush Movie"

I thought it was a documentary

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did someone record the show?

What's funny to me is all the conservatives bashing the movie when they haven't seen it.

The majority of the movie is clips of Bush using his own words. You really don't need to add much because he is such a fool.

The facts are that 9-11 happened on his watch. I am so tired of everyone saying it was clintons fault. Bush had 9 fucking months to do something and he didn't. I guess he was to busy making vacation plans.

Then when he did do something, he attacked the wrong country. If that's your idea of being strong on terror, well then you are a sheep.

I think Moore lost the argument. Going head to head with ORiley is no easy task, but Mike looked a bit unprepared for what he was getting himself into and ended up playing the defensive the entire time. That weakened his argument.

He kept saying that GWB lied about everything and Bill kepy coming back and saying he didn't lie. All Mike had to say was ignoring all of the evidence to the contrary is as bad as lying, but he refused to give up any ground to Bill. There were a couple of other incidents as well that Bill just talked over Mike and Mike couldn't get a coherent point across. The funny part was at the end where Bill says he was glad they had the argument and the public could decide, then goes back to the live broadcast and gives another minute talk about how Michael Moore was completely wrong and stupid, but he's no longer there to defend himself.

i also liked how moore said the us should of removed hitler before he'd done any of the things he did but it wrong for bush to do it saddam.

It was a useless waste of television time.

More good points get made in an episode of South Park.

Going head-to-head with O'Reilly is an exercise in futility. He debates by interrupting to the point of distraction.:glugglug

Link to the interview:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,127236,00.html

he only interrupts when people dont answer his questions

I find it interesting that of the 4 guests O'Reilly had on last night Michael Moore is the only one he taped and showed later. I can guarantee you it wasn't because MM was leaving Boston anythime soon:winkwink: At least MM insisted it be shown complete and unedited. Bill O'Reilly would have been stopping the tape every 30 seconds to add commentary:glugglug

This entire thread can be summed up in three points, the failure to understand and agree to any one of which marks the reader as dense:

1. Michael Moore is an idiot. Packaging lies and half-truths that appeal to the stupid as a documentary is just wrong.

2. George Bush is an idiot and a liar. Not because he dragged us into a war (everyone on the planet agreed Iraq still had WMD, including Germany, France and Russia), but because he sold himself to us as a moderate when in fact he is to the right of Atilla the hun.

3. O'reilly is pompus and full of himself, but often on the correct side of things as was the case here, because on the idiot scale, Moore by far tops all of the aforementioned idiots.

Wow....someone that paid attention.

I also find it amusing that Michael Moore kept talking about kids. These are 18 year olds that join the military of their OWN choice, and their parents can't do anything about it, as they are considered ADULTS. If they want to join the military, they do. Michael Moore can't make that choice for them and neither can O'rielly....the only choice that ANY adult in the US can make about it is FOR THEMSELVES. So MM asking BOR if he would sacrifice hsi own child is just silly. When BOR's child is over 18, they will make that choice for themselves, no matter what BOR says.

Anyone who thinks that 9/11 is the fault of any President has not been paying much attention .

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Then when he did do something, he attacked the wrong country. If that's your idea of being strong on terror, well then you are a sheep.

when he "did do something" he attacked afghanistan. destroyed all the terrorist based and destroyed the Taliban regime which had been protecting Osama Bin Laden and all those who trained there in spite of the fact that the US had tried for 4 years through diplomacy to get the Taliban to hand him over.

Interesting.

did anyone record the happening? i'd love to see it.

Guess what, I was paying attention, kinda had to living 2 blocks south of the wtc.

If he's gonna take credit for his so called "war on terror", he needs to take the blame too. He sure likes using the images in his ads to get his ass re-elected too.

Moore is a fucking idiot, only fools listen to anything he says, he doesnt give a fuck about america he gives a fuck about himself and making $, he could feed you people anything and you would agree with him just because he is "different".

Where you live has nothing to do with the notion of claiming that a president caused 9/11... and doing something about it hardly makes him responsible for everything before the fact... using that logic one could say that doing nothing after the fact would also absolve him of any responsibility.

Your logic would also dictate that Clinton was eaqually responsible since attacks happened on his watch and he retaliated as well.