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Old 07-25-2004, 12:59 PM   #1
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Deluxepass pulled all shemale sites

i tried to access my shemale site bighung.com
and i couldnt reach it, so i asked the guy from DP
and he told me they pulled all shemale sites

just wanna let you guys know since they didnt send me an email or anything about it
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:01 PM   #2
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that's pretty lame to not send a e-mail.. what was the reason given?
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:01 PM   #3
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did they give a reason?
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:02 PM   #4
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no shit LOL? I had one awhile that converted and retained like a motherfucker
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:02 PM   #5
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:05 PM   #6
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Didnt DH just released a Shemale site with deluxepass?
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:07 PM   #7
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:07 PM   #8
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Wow, after a few very serious complaints?

"I'm serious - I really, really don't like shemales. They make me uncomfortable. Please make them go away!"
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:08 PM   #9
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Didnt DH just released a Shemale site with deluxepass?
yah...
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:14 PM   #10
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That's just not right. What did he/she do to you guys to deserve this?
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:32 PM   #11
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Complaints from credit card companies, members, copyright owners or who?
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:37 PM   #12
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I have nothing against DP and I have been working with Clement for some time. Nice guy.

But this is just too weird for my taste. First they add that terrible warning page with a drop down menu (and claim the ratio is the same which I highly doubt) and now they pulled all shemale sites. What's next? A few complaints about cum sites and they're gone too?
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:39 PM   #13
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I have nothing against DP and I have been working with Clement for some time. Nice guy.

But this is just too weird for my taste. First they add that terrible warning page with a drop down menu (and claim the ratio is the same which I highly doubt) and now they pulled all shemale sites. What's next? A few complaints about cum sites and they're gone too?
I gave up on them after the index page change.

They didnt let ANYONE know.

My trust is gone. Hope they dont turn out to be another Adult Check.
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:44 PM   #14
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i moved all sites from DP a long time ago. (over 1 year close to 2)

i never looked back.

you should too.
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Old 07-25-2004, 01:46 PM   #15
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That's fucking stupid.... good thing I never went ahead and finished my tranny archive. fuuuuck
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Old 07-25-2004, 02:13 PM   #16
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Something smells rotten. The sites get pulled at the weekend with no notice, because of "complaints"? Doesn't sound very credible.

And like someone else said, it comes right after adding "age verification" (which no-one but the lawyer promoting it seems to think serves any legal purpose at all) ahead of all the tours. Though at least we were told about that.

Hmmm...
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Old 07-25-2004, 02:18 PM   #17
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Complaints from credit card companies, members, copyright owners or who?
not sure, i didnt ask
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Old 07-25-2004, 02:20 PM   #18
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Ya, it's really strange, first this hasty index page replace, now the shemale sites.

Maybe some legal stuff if going on and his lawyer told him not to talk about it in public...the only reason I could imagine.
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Old 07-25-2004, 02:21 PM   #19
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"There's something wrong with these girls! I didn't order the deluxe model, I want my money back!"
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Old 07-25-2004, 02:25 PM   #20
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If anyone is selling their Shemale tours gimme a shout during the week. Im always willing to add new tours to shemalefiles.net. Or if you wanna use your own tour, Ill build you a custom CCbill join page.

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Old 07-25-2004, 03:32 PM   #21
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Holy fuck.. you are right. That sucks. Why do good programs seem to inevitably go bad over time?

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Old 07-25-2004, 05:09 PM   #22
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I have nothing against DP and I have been working with Clement for some time. Nice guy.

But this is just too weird for my taste. First they add that terrible warning page with a drop down menu (and claim the ratio is the same which I highly doubt) and now they pulled all shemale sites. What's next? A few complaints about cum sites and they're gone too?
That new warning page kills the sales.. and the tours have their own warning page, why annoy the surfer?
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Old 07-25-2004, 05:18 PM   #23
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The warning page is the worst, I also I can't really tell where my hits are coming from now and stuff cause they hit that page first. I was going to give deluxe a serious go, but I think I am just going to stay with Adultbouncer, they raised there rates to $29.95 anyways.
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Old 07-25-2004, 05:18 PM   #24
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i moved all sites from DP a long time ago. (over 1 year close to 2)

i never looked back.

you should too.
So did most of the guys I know
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Old 07-25-2004, 05:29 PM   #25
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they still have bondage,pregnant content, but removed one of the bestselling niche - shemales. it looks stupid for me, we should go with pornaccess or arschamps.
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Old 07-25-2004, 05:32 PM   #26
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i moved all sites from DP a long time ago. (over 1 year close to 2)

i never looked back.

you should too.
Where did you move them to?
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Old 07-25-2004, 05:33 PM   #27
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Where did you move them to?
i had them mirrored on different avs.

i simply deleted them from DP.
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Old 07-25-2004, 05:36 PM   #28
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i had them mirrored on different avs.

i simply deleted them from DP.
Oh okay. I sold all mine but I'm still stuck with 4 and I have no idea what to do with them.
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Old 07-25-2004, 05:54 PM   #29
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still listing tranny sites inside the members area... and my login still works on them..
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Anyone wanna buy a shemale Deluxepass site? LOL!

http://simplyshemales.deluxepass.com/index-main.html

DH

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Old 07-25-2004, 06:27 PM   #31
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sex, drugs, and
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Old 07-25-2004, 06:28 PM   #32
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Maybe it was a complaint from Oracle Porn?
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A lot of webmasters will need somewhere to send their tranny traffic and since 90% of the programs out there go absolutely shitty tranny sites I hope someone will buy some of those DP layouts. Most of them are good, got a good ratio and those tranny CCbill paysites out there could use some new designs.
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It doesn't make sense unless they are afraid of transsexuals being seen as obscene. There's no way in hell a judge could allow one 'gender' to be allowed, and another not just because it's a minority.

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should be easy enough to convert that to the ARS champs or adult bouncer
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should be easy enough to convert that to the ARS champs or adult bouncer
not if the content is provided by deluxepass though..
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Old 07-25-2004, 06:33 PM   #38
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There is a serious shortage of quality shemale sites, Grooby is still the best still after 7 years.
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It doesn't make sense unless they are afraid of transsexuals being seen as obscene. There's no way in hell a judge could allow one 'gender' to be allowed, and another not just because it's a minority.

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According to Clement that is EXACTLY whey they shut those sites down
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hahaha maybe they felt sexually threatened?
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DP uses Lawrence Walters as their attorney (I think Bangbus also uses him).

He seems to be very overkill with his advice IMO.
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DP uses Lawrence Walters as their attorney (I think Bangbus also uses him).

He seems to be very overkill with his advice IMO.
Agreed. fisting, pissing etc. i could see but tranny? thats just too cautious
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I'm going to mail them that i think "gay" is obscene and against nature also
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the more guys that stop promoting DP, the better my ratios will get. Cya!

That pop up has not effected me one bit. If you thought about it for more than a minute, you'd find a solution.
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IT WAS A STLN CONTENT ISSUE.

SEASE- AND DISS DEAL.
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IT WAS A STLN CONTENT ISSUE.

SEASE- AND DISS DEAL.
So they would shut down all of them? Are you saying all of it was stolen?
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IT WAS A STLN CONTENT ISSUE.

SEASE- AND DISS DEAL.
Anything is possible but I don't think that is be the reason.
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Yesterday, some shemale sites were still listed on the content browser after the deletion of the others (not suspended, deleted)...

Today, too many webmasters know the news, so DP is really smart... Those shemale site aren't ont the content browser anymore, but still online :
http://smvault.deluxepass.com/index-main.html
http://osm.deluxepass.com/index-main.html
http://tsvids.deluxepass.com/index-main.html
http://gwb.deluxepass.com/index-main.html

The complains must be : "I don't like those bizarre girls EXCEPT on those sites."
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