What are you bringing up cp for?, fool.

Well on a another topic I guess TGPs won't be accpeting galleries from US webmaster sicne those galleries certainly will have to have some kind of link to 2257 info. And TGPs hate too may links.

Then non US sponsors will prosper, you keep thinking the whole world has to log onto Americe to buy porn. Sponsors will take traffic from who ever sends it. If the US webmaster market diminishes because of this act they will take it from non US.

Never heard of Private, Color Climax, Rodox, Seventeen, plus hundreds of others. Maybe Ashc roft is just helping us over here. :1orglaugh

You have to live with competitive advantages and disadvantages, where ever you are in the world :)

A guy from eastern europe can make content for a dollar, a guy from the UK cant even phone a model for that price, have you ever seen the hosting prices in the UK? bandwith is like $4 a gig!

Exactly, this thing is being hyped up so much, things will change, alot more for US webmasters than anyone else. But in reference to the start of this thread, I dont think you are going to get extradited to the new world just yet

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This is called "clutching straws". :1orglaugh

TGPs will not be included as they will only have links, not publishing porn. They might start refusing more from the US because they link to FHGs or just sites too soft to be bothered with. Or sites with big type about the Privact laws and 2257 requirements.

Non US sites will just be that much more ettractive.

I bet the ones who laughing most, are the ones outside US and Europe who SHOULD be targeted, but never will, because they give a shit about US or European laws. Laws that are shooting randomly except right direction.

Can you see what I was dealing with this morning chemical eyes, you should have got up earlier :helpme

I wasn't speaking of extradition, only of a foreign webmaster coming to visit the US on vacation or for a webmaster convention.

well youa re just going to have to take that risk now won't you? Or wait until 2009 and hope JEB Bush doesn't become President.

Cum on guys common sense, please, all this over hype isnt helping anyone.

a tgp is just a link list, by your reasoning, any site that has a outwood link to anything, must check that sites documentation?

It is a possibility but not a real one, doubt if they will want to start an Internetional incident over non compliance to 2257 laws. They have a lot of softer targets in the US.

However if you run a CP site, scat, beastiality site then be careful.

Listen quit talking to me like I'm stupid. I am aware that internet is worldwide and US laws don't apply outside the US. I am trying to tell you what the US GOVERMENT believes to be true. If they didn't think they owned the internet they never would be making these laws because LOGIC would tell them that they are unenforceable for a sizable chunk of porn out there so what would be the point?

Did anyone here learn about CONTEXT is school? I'm not talking about the governemnt going after TGPs I'm talk about TGP own rules. Say you run a TGP you have galleries with 2257 links and those without. Which ones are you going to post?

sorry I was being flipant, You wont be arrested, unless while your there, you open up a website, dont have any documentation, someone reports it, the FBI takes 1 day, to find it, 4 days to trace you and 2 to arrest you.

Don't worry. If you went to US and got arrested for something you did not do there, or against any american, I guess US government would run into serious diplomatic problems. That would raise the question in public, and they would not gain from that. Last thing they wanna do.

If you kill someone in Europe, you will not get arrested in US unless Interpol is searching for you. As long you do not break any laws in Europe they cannot touch you.....

And hey, how they gonna do that practical? Keep records on all foreign adult webmasters who is potential tourists, and arrest them at the check out at airport? Hell no, they can't even grab terrorists.

I wouldnt even waiste one second thinking about it, what you have on your site is up to you, if you dont have the legal documentation thats required in your own country (not mine) then thats up to you. It wont effect listings one little bit, the only difference is that there wont be as many US submiters :)

exactly. Can you imagine turning up at the US customes,

They check you for drugs, guns, your visa and then add on the end "do you run any websites?, if you do have you got all the right documentation?"

Then stop talking stupid. Do you really think this has anything to do with LOGIC?

This law was brought out a few months before the election. It's a publicity stunt and little else. They can stand up in front of the middle Americans and tell them what good christians they are. By the time it's been slung out as unworkable they will be out of office or re-elected.

However it does not make it less of a law for those who have to prove it's wrong in court. It will not be detrimental to non US webmasters/sponsors, it will be a benefit.

Well yes there won't be as many US submitters because they have to have documentation for every pic on every gallery they make. My point is the some TGPs have rules about the EXACT number of links you are llowed to have so if one has to be used on a 2257 link them you are at a disadvantage. Also place like the hun in which has scripts check the links etc, before accepting the submission, well are they going to allow for that? Or will having such a link cause a gallery not to even be accepted? Most of the big TGP get enough submitters they aren't going to bother to catering to US wembasters.

You dealt with it nicely, this thread is serious yet funny at the same time. I love GFY :glugglug

It's anew box to tick on the green entry form. It goes underneath the one that asks;

"Have you ever committed a crime you have not been charged with"

Which is underneath the new one that asks;

"Are you Osam Bin Laden." :1orglaugh

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Very good point, especially about the links out. Yes you are right US webmasters will be at a disadvantage

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GatorB
Do you think a few people might need to change some of their Terms and Conditions in the future?

These will not need to go through congress as well?

You talk as if these rules are chiselled in stone, they can be changed to suit the new conditions.

I guess if you make a gallery with a serie of the same girl, one link would be enough. If some prosecuted me for not linking all images, in that case, and I got screwed in court because of it, I would seriously thinking of moving to another less communistic country. Like China.

I am NOT. Quit insulting me. Jeez get over yourselves already!

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Do you really think this has anything to do with LOGIC?

No and that's what I have been TRYING to point out. It seem MOST of you have ZERO concept of what these rules are REALLY about and if you think this is then end of new rules and regualtions if Bush gets re-elected. Then you are crazy AND stupid.

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However it does not make it less of a law for those who have to prove it's wrong in court. It will not be detrimental to non US webmasters/sponsors, it will be a benefit.

I never said it would be detrimental. All I said is that if a US based sponsor wished for ALL webmasters to comply that was their choice and all I got was flak about "Not illegal in my country" Well If I ran an affilate program and my TOS stated that ALL webmasters had to comply in order to get paid and you chose not to because "Not illegal in my country" You wouldn't get a check, PERIOD. And there would be much you could do about it.

And yes I can see foreign affiliate programs being helped by this as far as recruiting foreign webmasters to promote their sites. I don't see many US webmasters signing up for them though.

Congress gave Ashhahahahaha the power to change 2257 rules and others as he sees fit WITHOUT congressional approval. Somehow this is supposed to protect us Americans from terrorism. When someone can explain that to me let me know.

Sorry if I was being rude.

Well if this law tips the balance towards non US webmasters you might have to change your TOS.

Might need to consult a lawyer and see if you are responsible for their 2257 documentation.

That's so funny, yet rings so true... I don't know whether to laugh or cry. :( :1orglaugh

Although it strikes me as more fascist than communistic.

US webmasters will do what they have always done the same with what european webmasters do and have always done. Thell go where the money is, where ever the program is from.

These laws wont effect that, thell only make it a bit more difficult for US webmasters to compete, but not by much, US will just have to get its house in order, o do something about it

The US Government is presently trying to extradite an Australian resident/citizen for distributing warez via the Internet from Australia to the US. And it sounds like the extradition request is going to be successful. So I'm not sure that non-US webmasters should automatically assume that these laws cannot be applied to them. :(

http://news.com.au/common/story_page...E15306,00.html

These are two very different things, has anyone ever been extradited for even making beasty porn? Im not sure if they have or havnt, but I doubt it, so what chance has it got in trying to extradite someone who is making legal porn, but just are not required to keep the same documents as they do in the US

Beastiality is ilegal in the US but I see galleries listed everyday on the hun, from Dutch sites, where its legal, has anyone ever been extradited from Holland because of it? No, becuase they cant

Im not sure about Australia. But in Europe complying with this law would as I understand it be illegal, because of the data protection act, so in europe we make legal porn with all the legal requirments that we need and we will get extradited? Of course they wont.

Do you think they are going to check everyone who enters the US if he runs adult sites?

LOL

My point is that legal precedent is still being established with regard to how the Internet affects the notion of legal jurisdiction, so webmasters should not make any assumptions based on dirtworld precedents. That said, it is highly unlikely that a non-US webmaster would be extradited merely for a lack of 2257 documentation. But what if you found yourself no longer able to visit the US?

Id say thank fuck for that :glugglug

I'm waiting to see what happens with all this 2257 stuff. I am a Canadian with U.S. hosting but I'm not worried too much. All of the content I have purchased has both the I.D. and the model releases so I think I am covered...but maybe not.

Problems arise when a some of the models are not from the U.S. although they have their govt's ID...I hope that will be good enough although with the way the law is set out it appears that only U.S. I.D.'s are acceptable but I'm not sure about that one.

From my understanding, being a secondary producer the only thing I will have to have is a link to 2257 listing contact info for the primary producer who is then responsible for keeping up to date records on the models if they model for them again.

As for TGP's I don't see how they will be able to distinguish between U.S. webmasters and those from other countries unless they check out each and every domain to see which country the owner of the domain is listed as. I can't see TGP owners doing that for everyone...it is just too time consuming.

So am I missing something here? I mean other than having to have a 2257 link on your galleries and just noting every URL you put that set on I can't really see what the big deal is.

Can anyone point out if I am missing something?

If you'd been charged or convicted In Absentia, you could be
arrested on entering US territory, or denied a US Visa.