Dirty F

There are two changes that are being made at <removed> in regards to our partner accounts. The first change is that anyone who has not submitted a gallery will be deactivated on August 1st. The second is the most important. Due to the probability of an upcoming law regarding 2257, Only those pictures that are cropped with "face only" or non-nude thumbs will be listed in the "most popular thumbs of the day" section. This change will start tomorrow. You can still submit galleries, and not crop photo's, they will just not be listed in the "popular" thumbs. I urge all gallery makers to review the upcoming changes to 2257 information as this will affect all of you who will now be considered "secondary producers".

Dirty F

This is fucking ridiculous. We are webmasters not criminals. Can you imagine playboy only showing a face on the cover because of new laws. This 2257 thing is retarded. Altho i live in Holland, this way it affects me too.

dirtysouth

How does the new 2257 affect gallery builders that use sponsor supplied images/videos? I link their 2257 in every gallery. English please. For fucks's sake I've got a lawyer but he's not an internet "specialist". We are meeting again Monday after he's done some more research.

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Odin88

Did you mean to change accounts before posting that?

patmccrotch

uhh, what sites do you run? sorry, i didn't get my fan club newsletter this month, so i'm not up to speed.

fusionx

For playboy (and most pay sites) it's not going to be that difficult to maintain records. Don't get me wrong - it will take a lot of work and will require some new procedures to stay compliant, but it's certainly possible.

For TGPs, well.. I don't know how a webmaster can accept gallery submissions anymore. When someone submits a gallery, I become a secondary producer of that content, and there's no way I'm going to spend the time and effort to track down documentation from every sponsor on every performer that is shown.

I'm not sure what they are trying to accomplish by only showing non-nude or face only thumbs. The gallery can still have nudes, etc, so they are still a secondary producer in regards to that content. It also does't seem to matter if you host the images or not - if you even link to them, you are a secondary producer by definition.

Hell - the thumbs don't even matter. I thought for a moment about doing only text linked TGP pages, but a URL is a URL..

Screw it.. if they start enforcing this, I'll switch over to selling cheese or shoes or penis pills...

tony286

You can read it yourself, its one of the more clear parts of it actually http://my.execpc.com/~xxxlaw/2257Table.htm

Your a secondary producers and if its hardcore you need full records .That you have in your possesion to set up your record keeping system.

polish_aristocrat

Most TGP's are run by Dutch guys anyway, so i dont see any new rules being introduced by them.

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fr33s3x

hardcore

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Shoehorn!

This is all a bunch of fucking bullshit. And I don't mean, "this is bullshit, lets all not worry about it," I mean, "this is fucking ridiculous that they're making us all jump through hoops like this."

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angelsofporn

Any of you guys that are outside the US dont have to change anything. The porn biz will be run by europeans and canadians soon anyway..or expatriots who expatriate

xxxdesign-net

mmh.. where did you get that?? Sorry but thats just impossible.. Linking to someone else's site doesnt require you to have all the documentation for the guy's site.. In that case.. Google, Yahoo, etc.. wont list any adult sites anymore...

toddler

what he said. even so, it un enforcable.

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billywatson

Yesterday, a friend asked me how I make any $$ in online adult stuff cause he can nut from jacking to all the "free stuff" out there...

Maybe this whole 2257 thing is a blessing in disguise?

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Jace

i think we will be seeing more of this in the near future

fusionx

I actually agree, even if it means I can't keep up my pages..

It won't be hard to put up a bunch of sponsor specific pages to replace TGPs. Keeping records on a known set of models/whatever is not a problem. Keeping records on unknown models is gonna be tough

fusionx

"including any person who enters into a contract, agreement, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing."


(2) A secondary producer is any person who produces, assembles, manufactures, publishes, duplicates, reproduces, or reissues a book, magazine, periodical, film, videotape, a computer-generated image, digital image, or picture, or other matter intended for commercial distribution that contains a visual depiction of actual sexually explicit conduct, or who inserts on a computer site or service a digital image of, or otherwise manages the content of a computer site or service [JDO: No "commercial" purpose included here.] that contains a visual depiction of, actual sexually explicit conduct, including any person who enters into a contract, agreement, or conspiracy to do any of the foregoing.

In my reading of this, "entering a conspiracy.." (sic) includes sending traffic by placement of and promotion of URLs on a "computer site or service". "URL" and "computer site or service" are also defined in the 2257 reg.

Now, giving my trusting nature I wouldn't think that posting URLs would be a problem. But, it's the interpretation of the reg, not the wording of the reg itself, that's scary.

Linking to a site without an affiliate code might be considered seperately from linking with an affiliate code. The presence of an affiliate code establishes a contract/agreement, and very likely fulfills the criteria for "entering a conspiracy".

Worse, linking to a specific gallery will easily show I am promoting that gallery, and those images/movies/what have you.

I'm not a "sky is falling" kind of person, but with what I've seen of the administration (read a-s-h-c-r-o-f-t, et al), I can easily see the reg being interpreted and enforced this way.

Actually, the scariest thing about the new wording is that "actual sexually explicit conduct" is not specifically defined anywhere. People have started using "hardcore" as a synonym, but in my mind nipple rubbing, dildo licking or butt-cheek spreading could easily be considered "actual sexually explicit conduct".

Cncr

Nope. 2257 thing won't stop the free porn. This is another stupid US thing, which we can forget already. This goes to same category as ACACIA mess. Nonsense stuff. I understand if the US people get nervous but there's something really wrong up there...

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stocktrader23

The ass end of the porn biz you mean?

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boobmaster

.... which is what they really want. COPA didn't get the results the wanted, so now it's this. If you can't legistalte someone out of business, the next step is to regulate them to the point where they say 'fuck it'.

iwantchixx

does that count as an outbound link on TGP scripts? How do you get around that without sacrificing advertising links?

iwantchixx

that doesn't stop USA feds from arresting a canadian porn webmaster the second they cross the border.


btw, hit me up on ICQ when you got a chance, need a change of address done in the epoch system and I have no clue how to even log in

xxxdesign-net

not

The 2257 targets US webmasters... nowhere does it say that they expect worldwide webmasters to follow the rule... and are criminals in the eyes of the US if they dont follow it...

Cncr

well the USA feds can go fuck themselves if they do that. us law is not international law AFAIK.

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EZRhino

Here we go, and the crazy changes have started

Paraskass

"(b) A producer who is a secondary producer as defined in § 75.1(c) may satisfy the requirements of this part to create and maintain records by accepting from the primary producer, as defined in § 75.1(c), copies of the records described in paragraph (a) of this section. Such a secondary producer shall also keep records of the name and address of the primary producer from whom he received copies of the records."

so if your sponsors provide you with 2257 links, you should be ok, right?

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StarkReality

No, it just means that you don't need original docs as a secondary producer, but copies you get from your content provider/sponsor/etc. In addition to that, you must keep records about who gave you those records (your primary producer), so they can check the original docs if they want.

StarkReality

They may not get you, but if you don't care about 2257, your content providers or sponsors could get into troubles for not having a valid list of URLs where their content is available on the web. They'll kick your ass, revoke your licenses or kill your account, they won't go to jail for you.