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SteveLightspeed · 07-24-2004, 12:34 PM

Would you rather have 100 members paying $20 each or 1000 members paying $2 each? Why?

Please discuss.

Oracle Porn · 07-24-2004, 12:35 PM

1000
more exposure....
better chance to upsell....

Manowar · 07-24-2004, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
100 members paying $20

shows more dedication to the site, and that their more likely to stay longer.

Varius · 07-24-2004, 12:36 PM

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Would you rather have 100 members paying $20 each or 1000 members paying $2 each? Why?

Please discuss.

1000 paying $2 each.

1) Rebills: If 5 drop you, you lose $10 instead of $100. (However maybe drop ratios are higher with $2 people so it evens out..)

2) More members can result in more cross-sales, or sales of your affiliate products, etc....more eyeballs.

3) Chargebacks. I'm fairly certain people paying $20 have a higher chance of charging back than someone paying only $2.

Jace · 07-24-2004, 12:38 PM

$1000 at $2 each...

upsells would be great and chargebacks would barely exist

BRISK · 07-24-2004, 12:38 PM

Dax · 07-24-2004, 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by Oracle Porn
1000
more exposure....
better chance to upsell....

what he said....

SomeCreep · 07-24-2004, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Would you rather have 100 members paying $20 each or 1000 members paying $2 each? Why?

Please discuss.

100 @ 20. You wouldnt have to deal with so many complaint emails, cancel emails, and tech support requests. Plus, if you had a site with a lot of content, you'd save a lot on bandwidth.

mailman · 07-24-2004, 12:45 PM

1000 webmasters..

kinda like an old saying its better to have 100 people making you each 1$ then having one person make you 100$

SteveLightspeed · 07-24-2004, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Oracle Porn
1000
more exposure....
better chance to upsell....

Would you still want those 1000 members if your affiliates expect $35 dollars each for them?

Global Dialers · 07-24-2004, 12:46 PM

1k @ $2

more hassles with support but a better chance of them retaining past the first month and upselling possibilities to

you also get an addition 900 emails to spam instead of the 100 ;)

maximize on everything when running a paysite its not just about the initial $ you get but about the long term revenue each member can generate even after they have LEFT the paysite

Global Dialers · 07-24-2004, 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Would you still want those 1000 members if your affiliates expect $35 dollars each for them?

what affiliates?

if im offering memberships at $2 each im not letting my affiliates anywhere near those surfers

JasonB · 07-24-2004, 12:58 PM

1000 members.

if you only have 100 & 1 charges back ...there's your 1%

angelsofporn · 07-24-2004, 02:02 PM

makes your content look cheap if it's 2 bucks..just raised our conversions to 35 bucks and still the same numbers..should have done it a year ago.
If people are paying more they think they are in on something good

MaDalton · 07-24-2004, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
Would you still want those 1000 members if your affiliates expect $35 dollars each for them?

hehe - in a bad mood again?

TheJimmy · 07-24-2004, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by Global Dialers
what affiliates?

if im offering memberships at $2 each im not letting my affiliates anywhere near those surfers

zactly...

contractors or in-house/telecommuter employees should be enough of a force to generate a bungload of those 2 buck signups...

you know what your top 5-10% of affiliates are doing to bring you those signups right now right?

replicate that inhouse or via salaried contractors with bonus for production...bla bla bla

KingDough · 07-24-2004, 02:11 PM

i wouldnt sell a membership for $2.
even cigs cost more these days!

but seriously depends on the product.
some of these cheap bastards
wont even break out the card for $2.
but then thousands will pay $40
for the right site.

so i dont think the price matters
its all about the content..

TheJimmy · 07-24-2004, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by KingDough
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so i dont think the price matters
its all about the content..

some say that and believe it, I'm of the thought that content is secondary to marketing/traffic...

remember all of the ARS cookie cutter sites? did you see the inside of those and 1000s of other programs with very 'mediocre' members areas?

I think Marc De's garage full of fine rides & casa speak volumes of what has worked...push it and push it hard, when you you see a good wave, ride the fuck out of it...

and when it crashes, get off...

right now the cheap signups seem to be a lil wave to catch, if I were Steve I'd fucking jump all over that shit...affiliates or not....

ask Quiet how the generation of traffic inhouse worked out for him and his sub-20 dollar signup paysite went, I'm guessing he might say it did 'ok'

PS: content does matter, don't get me wrong, one of the reasons those cookie cutter sites are gone is that lil marketing ploy to just 'get them in the door' quit working so well as far as the processors were concerned....

KingDough · 07-24-2004, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by TheJimmy
some say that and believe it, I'm of the thought that content is secondary to marketing/traffic...

PS: content does matter, don't get me wrong, one of the reasons those cookie cutter sites are gone is that lil marketing ploy to just 'get them in the door' quit working so well as far as the processors were concerned....

true, even a shitty site will have nice sales if it gets a 100k visitors. but a good site with a 100k visitors will have a shitload more!

tony286 · 07-24-2004, 02:33 PM

Whoever was the brightlight who came up with the idea if its cheap they wont charge back. I worked for a small site that rebilled at $4.99 we got cb's all the time. Lucky for my boss it was in the old days when you could fight them. Also what makes you think a person whose main motivation for joining a site is its cheap is going to be a source of upsells. I can see the writing on the wall , we cant get anymore sales being creative and offering quality so now we will go the cheap game.
Also at $2 a month I dont see a affiliate program.

I think thats why Mom pops having more holding power than corporate porn, the customer can feel a real connection to the girl. So there isnt a need to go cheap.

detoxed · 07-24-2004, 02:35 PM

Costs per member might equal more than the $2 you are getting... bandwidth, advertising, etc.

andrej_NDC · 07-24-2004, 02:38 PM

20x100, and trial for the other 900, who dont want to pay 20.

20% of them forget to cancel...

Morgan · 07-24-2004, 02:39 PM

1 subscriber paying 2k would be best. less hassle

NoCarrier · 07-24-2004, 02:41 PM

If you have 1000 members instead of 100 members, maybe it's because there is a higher demand.

Higher demand = higher prices.

angelsofporn · 07-24-2004, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by TheJimmy

ask Quiet how the generation of traffic inhouse worked out for him and his sub-20 dollar signup paysite went, I'm guessing he might say it did 'ok'

Yeah but what quiet dosent know is that he could be making WAY more if he charged $35/month

Global Dialers · 07-24-2004, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by angelsofporn
Yeah but what quiet dosent know is that he could be making WAY more if he charged $35/month

thats not for sure though

a higher price means less chance of a sale statistically speaking

just because his site converts great on $20 doesnt mean it will on $35

Manowar · 07-24-2004, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
1 subscriber paying 2k would be best. less hassle

i cant imagine the kind of content nescessary to do that

tony286 · 07-24-2004, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
1 subscriber paying 2k would be best. less hassle

You are right 4 carefully screened at 2 grand a month. They have to come into the office and sign the credit card reciept lol

KingDough · 07-24-2004, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by Ganjasaurus
1 subscriber paying 2k would be best. less hassle

haha that would be sweet

TheJimmy · 07-24-2004, 02:56 PM

memberbase, memberbase, memberbase....

1000 people buying porn today, will or may in the future like to buy some soap from you as well ;)

esp since you now have their info...

sending shitloads of signups to other people's programs, for them to gather that information and benefit from it later is one of the primary mistakes people make when they choose to be an 'affiliate' versus a site owner...

Reak · 07-24-2004, 02:58 PM

100 for $20

they burn less bw.

1000 at $2 , good change those 1000 - $2 members never will buy a $20 membership again.

Ar3s · 07-24-2004, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Reak
100 for $20

they burn less bw.

1000 at $2 , good change those 1000 - $2 members never will buy a $20 membership again.

thats right i agree with you.

ronaldo · 07-24-2004, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by Reak
100 for $20

they burn less bw.

1000 at $2 , good change those 1000 - $2 members never will buy a $20 membership again.

If the $2 members area is shit, and you show them what's IN a $20.00 members area, they'll buy again. They may even be MORE quick to do so.

I certainly agree on the bandwidth part though.

MaDalton · 07-24-2004, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by tony404
You are right 4 carefully screened at 2 grand a month. They have to come into the office and sign the credit card reciept lol

for that price i'd come to their house

Tipsy · 07-24-2004, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by detoxed
Costs per member might equal more than the $2 you are getting... bandwidth, advertising, etc.

What he said. Without detail on the members area it's impossible to give any type of educated or realistic answer. The vast majority of those shouting 2000 members are the ones with no clue on the costs involved in running a GOOD members area.

emthree · 07-24-2004, 03:45 PM

$2 cant cover shit, good for short term - bad for long term.

$5-20 at least

07-24-2004, 12:34 PM	#1
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KingDough Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: lap of luxury - or whatever this whore's name is Posts: 143	i wouldnt sell a membership for $2. even cigs cost more these days! but seriously depends on the product. some of these cheap bastards wont even break out the card for $2. but then thousands will pay $40 for the right site. so i dont think the price matters its all about the content.. __________________ global/lifetime affiliate tracking cookies written on FHG pages Pleasure King Studios

07-24-2004, 12:38 PM	#5
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	$1000 at $2 each... upsells would be great and chargebacks would barely exist

07-24-2004, 12:45 PM	#9
mailman Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 6,311	1000 webmasters.. kinda like an old saying its better to have 100 people making you each 1$ then having one person make you 100$

07-24-2004, 12:58 PM	#13
JasonB Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 1,183	1000 members. if you only have 100 & 1 charges back ...there's your 1%

07-24-2004, 02:02 PM	#14
angelsofporn Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: CA Posts: 3,218	makes your content look cheap if it's 2 bucks..just raised our conversions to 35 bucks and still the same numbers..should have done it a year ago. If people are paying more they think they are in on something good

07-24-2004, 02:33 PM	#20
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Whoever was the brightlight who came up with the idea if its cheap they wont charge back. I worked for a small site that rebilled at $4.99 we got cb's all the time. Lucky for my boss it was in the old days when you could fight them. Also what makes you think a person whose main motivation for joining a site is its cheap is going to be a source of upsells. I can see the writing on the wall , we cant get anymore sales being creative and offering quality so now we will go the cheap game. Also at $2 a month I dont see a affiliate program. I think thats why Mom pops having more holding power than corporate porn, the customer can feel a real connection to the girl. So there isnt a need to go cheap.

07-24-2004, 02:35 PM	#21
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	Costs per member might equal more than the $2 you are getting... bandwidth, advertising, etc.

07-24-2004, 02:38 PM	#22
andrej_NDC Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 7,760	20x100, and trial for the other 900, who dont want to pay 20. 20% of them forget to cancel...

07-24-2004, 02:39 PM	#23
Morgan Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Corona Del Mar, CA Posts: 10,520	1 subscriber paying 2k would be best. less hassle __________________ PornstarPlatinum.com \| TransErotica.com

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Reak So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 420Calendar.com Posts: 17,920	100 for $20 they burn less bw. 1000 at $2 , good change those 1000 - $2 members never will buy a $20 membership again.

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emthree Dialer Kingpin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York Posts: 10,816	$2 cant cover shit, good for short term - bad for long term. $5-20 at least __________________ • Sell Patches & Pills •