Will moving offshore save you from a 2257 ass-reaming? - GoFuckYourself.com

xxxjay · 07-23-2004, 01:30 PM

Can anybody say weather moving your servers offshore and setting up a foriegn company being a solution to this problem?

What it would take to comply with this new 2257 is damn near impossible. I think I'd be better offshore.

By having a company set up outside the US with a corp, servers, and bank accounts in aonther country put you outside the Feds jurisdiction?

If nothing else, I think it would make you a less attactive target.

pornstar2pac · 07-23-2004, 01:33 PM

I would go where the US can't close you down.

try the caribbean, tell'em pornstar2pac sent you

Magg · 07-23-2004, 01:33 PM

I got a lawyer. You should too

Jace · 07-23-2004, 01:35 PM

as long as you have some sort of precense in the US, i think they can still get ya

Jace · 07-23-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Magg
I got a lawyer. You should too

Morgan · 07-23-2004, 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by Magg
I got a lawyer. You should too

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xxxjay · 07-23-2004, 01:49 PM

What I am saying is for 99% of people there of so many ways this can fuck you.

I really get a laugh from the hoity toity fucks that think they've got it made. Do you have the ID for some chicks banner that you missed when you were assembling this shit? No? Then you weren't compaint.

2-5 years will teach you.

That's why I say moving servers, company, and all that crap offshore would put you way lower of the list.

I have several lawyers and I still get a variety of answers.

pornstar2pac · 07-23-2004, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by xxxjay
What I am saying is for 99% of people there of so many ways this can fuck you.

I really get a laugh from the hoity toity fucks that think they've got it made. Do you have the ID for some chicks banner that you missed when you were assembling this shit? No? Then you weren't compaint.

2-5 years will teach you.

That's why I say moving servers, company, and all that crap offshore would put you way lower of the list.

I have several lawyers and I still get a variety of answers.

I've been offshore since '99. planning to leave the states again for good real soon.

zanycash Pete · 07-23-2004, 01:56 PM

Better solution, get compliant! the new rules are fucked, but there are ways to be compliant.

pornstar2pac · 07-23-2004, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by zanycash Pete
Better solution, get compliant! the new rules are fucked, but there are ways to be compliant.

caribbean is nice 11 months of out of the year

unconnected · 07-23-2004, 02:38 PM

How about moving to Canada?
Are there any good Canadian Based adult hosting companies out there?

TheJimmy · 07-23-2004, 02:43 PM

best way to do it is like pornstar2pac mentioned....setup offshore biz entity and then move there yourself....

fortunatley I don't work with 2257 applicable content...that's been my solution for a few years now

Herb Kornfield · 07-23-2004, 02:52 PM

<-- is going offshore entirely

biglou · 07-23-2004, 03:03 PM

I have a double-edged solution... Use out-of-USA addresses so they can't find me, but also be compliant in case they do.

Jurisdiction is irrelevant if they can't find you... I think the next emerging market will be quality offshore hosting, since my host will be the only one with my USA address and I'll be damned if I trust them not to give it to the feds.

pornstar2pac · 07-23-2004, 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by biglou
I have a double-edged solution... Use out-of-USA addresses so they can't find me, but also be compliant in case they do.

Jurisdiction is irrelevant if they can't find you... I think the next emerging market will be quality offshore hosting, since my host will be the only one with my USA address and I'll be damned if I trust them not to give it to the feds.

dude, 10 years from now you'll slip and get a newspaper subscription and give your real name and info and then the IRS comes knocking on the door....and the 2257 copola

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MandyBlake · 07-23-2004, 03:15 PM

Just got back from seeing my lawyer , unless you planning on moving to that country it doesnt work.

80smetal · 07-23-2004, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by MandyBlake
Just got back from seeing my lawyer , unless you planning on moving to that country it doesnt work.

elaborate on what your lawyer had to say

TheJimmy · 07-23-2004, 03:22 PM

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Originally posted by Herb Kornfield
<-- is going offshore entirely

for reasons other than 2257 or for any other legal shit...I'll be gone within 3-4 years tops...

this has become a culture of prison and war...I'm opting to raise my family in a culture of beaches, good food and socializing...

the indigo · 07-23-2004, 03:32 PM

Remember, USA = Freedom. Cry it all over the world with your patriotic flag and be proud

angelsofporn · 07-23-2004, 03:37 PM

The thing about moving offshore if you run paysites is that in order to process visa with epoch, ibill, ccbill etc..you have to have a US presence

sumphatpimp · 07-23-2004, 04:40 PM

an offshore server means nothing.
you have to move your ASS offshore.
and stay there.

pussyluver · 07-23-2004, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sumphatpimp
an offshore server means nothing.
you have to move your ASS offshore.
and stay there.

They still will find a way to fuck with ya! Just give big brother a chance, he'll show everyone.

mardigras · 07-23-2004, 04:54 PM

If you are uploading your site from the US or receiving money in the US (no matter what steps between) you fall under US laws. The only way you can get around this law is to move somewhere where it is not enforcable.

spentrent · 07-23-2004, 05:01 PM

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Originally posted by the indigo
Remember, USA = Freedom. Cry it all over the world with your patriotic flag and be proud

Heh heh heh.

"USA = Freedom"

Hence all the questions about avoiding USA restrictions...

BRISK · 07-23-2004, 05:04 PM

pornstar2pac · 07-23-2004, 05:40 PM

biglou · 07-23-2004, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pornstar2pac
dude, 10 years from now you'll slip and get a newspaper subscription and give your real name and info and then the IRS comes knocking on the door....and the 2257 copola

Well gosh, I ain't no smarty-pants shyster, but I'm pretty sure newspaper subscriptions don't fall under the new 2257s.

pornstar2pac · 07-23-2004, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by biglou
Well gosh, I ain't no smarty-pants shyster, but I'm pretty sure newspaper subscriptions don't fall under the new 2257s.

listen here smarty pants, Bush owns you. like it or not. better be a good bitch to him or azzzhahahahaha is a coming

bdld · 07-23-2004, 05:52 PM

only sure way is to not be affiliated with the US in any way.

pornstar2pac · 07-23-2004, 05:53 PM

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Originally posted by bdld
only sure way is to not be affiliated with the US in any way.

si amigo'!

que pasa?

BRISK · 07-23-2004, 05:54 PM

If the US is the land of the free, why would you ever need to move your stuff offshore?

emthree · 07-23-2004, 05:56 PM

I'm moving to iraq, they seem to have less restrictions

Crypt · 07-23-2004, 05:59 PM

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Originally posted by TheJimmy
best way to do it is like pornstar2pac mentioned....setup offshore biz entity and then move there yourself....

fortunatley I don't work with 2257 applicable content...that's been my solution for a few years now

So you are using kazaa content? ;)

80smetal · 07-23-2004, 06:00 PM

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Originally posted by Crypt
So you are using kazaa content? ;)

pre 90' content, retro baby

pornstar2pac · 07-23-2004, 06:01 PM

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Originally posted by Crypt
So you are using kazaa content? ;)

nope, i have NO content. I'm moving because of gambling related issues. 2257 is just a lotto number to me

xxxjay · 07-23-2004, 06:30 PM

OK - here's another question. I just talked to a lawyer and he said that the new regs applied only to page published after the 8/24 deadline.

I'm not sure that I believe this 100%. Isn't every time you log onto a webpage isn't it published again? How about modifying it?

80smetal · 07-23-2004, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
OK - here's another question. I just talked to a lawyer and he said that the new regs applied only to page published after the 8/24 deadline.

I'm not sure that I believe this 100%. Isn't every time you log onto a webpage isn't it published again? How about modifying it?

bump

xxxjay · 07-23-2004, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
OK - here's another question. I just talked to a lawyer and he said that the new regs applied only to page published after the 8/24 deadline.

I'm not sure that I believe this 100%. Isn't every time you log onto a webpage isn't it published again? How about modifying it?

and another bump

80smetal · 07-23-2004, 07:03 PM

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Originally posted by xxxjay
and another bump

jay you got icq?

Project-Shadow · 07-23-2004, 07:06 PM

How about living off-shore but having a U.S hosting account?

hardcharger69 · 07-23-2004, 08:17 PM

What about an australian company using a XO server farm in nyc?

Can they get fried?

jonesy · 07-23-2004, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
Can anybody say weather moving your servers offshore and setting up a foriegn company being a solution to this problem?

What it would take to comply with this new 2257 is damn near impossible. I think I'd be better offshore.

By having a company set up outside the US with a corp, servers, and bank accounts in aonther country put you outside the Feds jurisdiction?

yea if you do any work on that website from the US your fucked especially if your an agent or title holder in said offshore company.

the IRS is hip to every offshore bullshit and it aint as easy as it seems.

any money that comes into the US is taxable and is subject to federal laws.

one thing i know worked is the offshore credit card. an offshore bank deposits (or offshore company director of the company, which is usually a lawyer) offshore monies into your offshore credit card account. you can use that freely here.

at the same time if you are a US citizen part of/recieving money from a company that breaks US laws. they could come after you - IRS audit - or other federal shit but its very complicated and not worth the effort man.

BOTTOM LINE
you better hire a competent offshore attorney if you wanna play in the big boy leagues.

jonesy · 07-23-2004, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
What it would take to comply with this new 2257 is damn near impossible..

what was changed?

xxxjay · 07-24-2004, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jonesy
yea if you do any work on that website from the US your fucked especially if your an agent or title holder in said offshore company.

the IRS is hip to every offshore bullshit and it aint as easy as it seems.

any money that comes into the US is taxable and is subject to federal laws.

one thing i know worked is the offshore credit card. an offshore bank deposits (or offshore company director of the company, which is usually a lawyer) offshore monies into your offshore credit card account. you can use that freely here.

at the same time if you are a US citizen part of/recieving money from a company that breaks US laws. they could come after you - IRS audit - or other federal shit but its very complicated and not worth the effort man.

BOTTOM LINE
you better hire a competent offshore attorney if you wanna play in the big boy leagues.

Good info. I think, if nothing else - it would give you a nice layer of protection and make you a less attractive target. The money transfer and the record audit are two totally separate issues. My thoughts is to have an office based in a country where they have no jurisdiction. Not 100% protection, but they will only have so much manpower and it will be easier to move to the next guy on the list and raid his office in the US.

Then combine that with making your websites compliant for all pages after the rule passes (if that is indeed the way it works - I still need a straight answer on this one) and you should have nothing to worry about.

It's more than 85% of people will do.

Any thoughts?

Dpope · 07-24-2004, 12:10 PM

Off shore will work until your US customer tries to use their credit card and VISA blocks there purchase because you are not working according to US law.

Giorgio_Xo · 07-24-2004, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by Dpope
Off shore will work until your US customer tries to use their credit card and VISA blocks there purchase because you are not working according to US law.

Not true.

xxxdesign-net · 07-24-2004, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by angelsofporn
The thing about moving offshore if you run paysites is that in order to process visa with epoch, ibill, ccbill etc..you have to have a US presence

no.. a EU presence with CCbill EU for exemple will do...

Tipsy · 07-24-2004, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Dpope
Off shore will work until your US customer tries to use their credit card and VISA blocks there purchase because you are not working according to US law.

?

Dpope · 07-24-2004, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by angelsofporn
The thing about moving offshore if you run paysites is that in order to process visa with epoch, ibill, ccbill etc..you have to have a US presence

No you don't. I'm in Germany but my host is Webair in the US.

The problem is that US consumers will not be able to pay for membership to a site that is not compliant to US law. VISA, who is just looking for an excuse, will demand that someone, even CCBILL and the rest, control the sites on a regular basis.

This is the very reason why some of those dubious 18 year old teen sites have lost the credit card processing.

I mean, 16 is legal for hardcore in Denmark... but you don't see those sites marketed in the US. And there aren't that many since the big market is the US. So overseas sites comply with 2257 simply to process those credit cards from US citizens.

07-23-2004, 01:30 PM	#1
xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	Will moving offshore save you from a 2257 ass-reaming? Can anybody say weather moving your servers offshore and setting up a foriegn company being a solution to this problem? What it would take to comply with this new 2257 is damn near impossible. I think I'd be better offshore. By having a company set up outside the US with a corp, servers, and bank accounts in aonther country put you outside the Feds jurisdiction? If nothing else, I think it would make you a less attactive target. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

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xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	What I am saying is for 99% of people there of so many ways this can fuck you. I really get a laugh from the hoity toity fucks that think they've got it made. Do you have the ID for some chicks banner that you missed when you were assembling this shit? No? Then you weren't compaint. 2-5 years will teach you. That's why I say moving servers, company, and all that crap offshore would put you way lower of the list. I have several lawyers and I still get a variety of answers. __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

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xxxjay Tube groupie. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: LoScandalous, CA Posts: 13,482	OK - here's another question. I just talked to a lawyer and he said that the new regs applied only to page published after the 8/24 deadline. I'm not sure that I believe this 100%. Isn't every time you log onto a webpage isn't it published again? How about modifying it? __________________ http://donttellmehowtoruinmylife.com/ - http://www.jmdigitalmarketing.com/my...s-and-reviews/ - http://www.wouldyouhitit.org - http://shinyobjectreviews.com/

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Dpope Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 33	Off shore will work until your US customer tries to use their credit card and VISA blocks there purchase because you are not working according to US law.