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Unriz3n · 04-27-2001, 11:52 PM

Ok I'm still new and I do alot of research a night on various topics....my topic for the past few nights has been once you actually get your site up to around 10-20-30k, how do you keep that traffic (talking about tgp site here) without overworking yourself by making countless galleries while also constantly updating the website itself. Anyhoo this topic has lead me to the research of many CJ scripts and the websites who use them. With the exeption of 3 TGPs, every tgp I visted out of the sextracker top 50 was CJ...what does this say? That unless your huge already you better dick the visitor around otherwise you wont survive? I've read everywehre that CJ is looked down on in this industry, yet its done by almost every site in the biz. Hmm.....

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Gemini · 04-28-2001, 12:15 AM

Hmmm might be good that you don't accept freehost gals then. And we'd never waste paid BW on a cj site to sub to. The surfer doesn't know where all that stuff comes from but they tend to keep long memories on urls that they got jerked on, including any gals.

Looks like you are going over! Someone throw him a rope QUICK!

Unriz3n · 04-28-2001, 06:58 AM

Well it simply seems that a site that runs "clean" is penalized by making it that much harder to keep/generate traffic...I may be wrong on this. But, if I had enough to purchase the UCJ full script ($1200.00), I have no doubt that I could get the site up to 80k a day in a matter of weeks.

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Warphead · 04-28-2001, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Unriz3n:
Well it simply seems that a site that runs "clean" is penalized by making it that much harder to keep/generate traffic...I may be wrong on this. But, if I had enough to purchase the UCJ full script ($1200.00), I have no doubt that I could get the site up to 80k a day in a matter of weeks.

You can Unriz3n, assuming you're going to use UCJ for blind-trading. You're right, you are penelized for running clean. Most sites my size can easily trade a k, but I can't - I don't have any blind links. The only reward I get is scripts like UCJ love my site because the productivity is so high. But it's frustrating.

ldinternet · 04-28-2001, 02:13 PM

Gemini, untrue. The CJ script is a means of getting fresh traffic in, sending out crap traffic, and sending only the best traffic to your sponsors. I see this method perfected at http://www.tinyteengalleries.com/ the guy who runs this has to be one of the smartest tgp owners on the whole fucken net.

I would not want bookmarkers, that is shit sucking traffic. They ONLY come back to see free porn - a bookmarker is an established and official free loader. They will see the same banners day after day, the same sponsors... they need to be shuffled from site to site until they buy something. They don't need to be screwed, slammed with a million consoles, cheated or lied to - all that the webmaster has to do is PROVE to them that joining a pay site is the best decision that they will ever make, and will make their jerk-offs more pleasurable than ever. But if they aren't going to buy then they are worthless. Passed from site to site... put through ad after ad after ad until they're ready to whip out that plastic. If someone doesn't buy something at my site, then they can fuck off somewhere else and freeload someone else's bandwidth. I don't give a fuck if they never come back to my site - I will not pay for them to see free pictures. CJ tgps have much better quality than "bookmark old skool" tgps, and I speak that from experience. Maybe yours are very different.

I love AVS. I love CJ.

Woot! I just noticed that another one of those fucken' "Police Videos" is on! I love these shows. That old guy is great... "I'm Sherrif John Burnell!"...

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Warphead · 04-28-2001, 03:12 PM

Something I don't understand Id, maybe you have a view:

I run a "clean" tgp and a CJ2. Both are making money for me, but that's not what I'm not understanding.

The idea behind a CJ site is to annoy the surfers until they buy, and it seems to work pretty good. But lots of CJ owners mention trading with TGP's to increase the quality of traffic, it seems to me you're trading frustrated traffic for surfers that know where the free stuff is - how can that be good?

Pete Dogg · 04-28-2001, 03:38 PM

"But lots of CJ owners mention trading with TGP's to increase the quality of traffic, "

I think CJ sites would be gold if their traffic never touched a TGP.

I run a clean CJ2 site and Im trying to keep it as far as I can away from a TGP. Because if a surfer is frustrated and then wind up with the free porn they want, then the purpose of CJ sites is defeated.

The 2 areas should stay apart in my opinion.

Peace,
Pete Dogg

Gemini · 04-28-2001, 03:40 PM

That's it Warp! Admittedly I don't know alot about cj sites but I do know when I get caught in those never ending sets of BS popups and shuffles (forced on me) that I'd not buy from any of them, maybe throttle one of the owners if I had him tho. lol

We know alot of surfers personally (camgirlie days were worth something anyhow) and they make notes of the sites that shuffle them... easy to do once they discover the history function. So we get stuck on their BS lists and not even our fault. TGP's that have popups (sensible number) but don't allow them is fine by us, but when they start that shuffle BS, they may end up making ONE sale from 2% of the surfers. I wonder how many rebills they COULD get... But surfers get smarter after a couple of months and will move on to another cleaner place. (That jerked around sticks in their minds) Think it doesn't? How many guys here can STILL name (and picture) the guy that tormented them in say (4th) grade??

Dopy · 04-28-2001, 04:49 PM

Do you people know just how many guys pull out the plastic on a return visit to a book marked site. Such arrogance, but then CJ is arrogant - its the junk yard end of the adult business. Those who don't have the finesse to sell whole cars stack them in piles and sell the bits while all day they growl and snarl at the visitors who don?t buy.

The golden rule in any business is, if you don?t show you don?t grow, I will leave you CJ gurus to work this one out.

Empty vessels make most noise; it never fails to ring true.

Warphead · 04-28-2001, 09:19 PM

That's what I'm saying, Pete. I keep hearing CJers talk about this and I'm thinking it doesn't make any sense.

Gem,

Dopy, what the hell are ya talking about buddy?

Exxxotica · 04-28-2001, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dopy:
Do you people know just how many guys pull out the plastic on a return visit to a book marked site. Such arrogance, but then CJ is arrogant - its the junk yard end of the adult business. Those who don't have the finesse to sell whole cars stack them in piles and sell the bits while all day they growl and snarl at the visitors who don?t buy.

The golden rule in any business is, if you don?t show you don?t grow, I will leave you CJ gurus to work this one out.

Empty vessels make most noise; it never fails to ring true.

There is money to be made regardless of the type of site. If CJ people made no money, they wouldnt be doing it.

Unriz3n · 04-28-2001, 11:52 PM

Well...it all boils down to one thing...if you have alot of traffic, you will make money....its just playing the odds...a site with 100k a day (even if it is a TGP) will make money.

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boneprone · 04-29-2001, 12:45 AM

yo dude, quit trying to analyze everything.. Its just slowing you down.. Put your nose to the grindstone, and work work work on your project.. Dont get sidtracked.. Stay focused, get it done then analyze all the shit around you after you are done...It seems to be a major distraction to you.

You had a vision, and it sounds like it is getting a little distracted.. Fuck everyone else, and get your project done.. You were on to something good, and you were working late hours on it and putting a lot into it.. Get back on track, or you'll be sitting around thinking and analyizing shit all day.

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04-27-2001, 11:52 PM	#1
Unriz3n Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 378	I'm quite ill at looking at these CJ sites............ Ok I'm still new and I do alot of research a night on various topics....my topic for the past few nights has been once you actually get your site up to around 10-20-30k, how do you keep that traffic (talking about tgp site here) without overworking yourself by making countless galleries while also constantly updating the website itself. Anyhoo this topic has lead me to the research of many CJ scripts and the websites who use them. With the exeption of 3 TGPs, every tgp I visted out of the sextracker top 50 was CJ...what does this say? That unless your huge already you better dick the visitor around otherwise you wont survive? I've read everywehre that CJ is looked down on in this industry, yet its done by almost every site in the biz. Hmm..... ------------------ Unriz3n AdultClips TGP - No Recip, Quality Gallery Posting [email protected] ICQ - 108240203

04-28-2001, 11:52 PM	#12
Unriz3n Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 378	Well...it all boils down to one thing...if you have alot of traffic, you will make money....its just playing the odds...a site with 100k a day (even if it is a TGP) will make money. ------------------ Unriz3n AdultClips TGP - No Recip, Quality Gallery Posting [email protected] ICQ - 108240203

04-28-2001, 12:15 AM	#2
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	Hmmm might be good that you don't accept freehost gals then. And we'd never waste paid BW on a cj site to sub to. The surfer doesn't know where all that stuff comes from but they tend to keep long memories on urls that they got jerked on, including any gals. Looks like you are going over! Someone throw him a rope QUICK!

04-28-2001, 06:58 AM	#3
Unriz3n Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 378	Well it simply seems that a site that runs "clean" is penalized by making it that much harder to keep/generate traffic...I may be wrong on this. But, if I had enough to purchase the UCJ full script ($1200.00), I have no doubt that I could get the site up to 80k a day in a matter of weeks. [This message has been edited by Unriz3n (edited 04-28-2001).]

04-28-2001, 02:13 PM	#5
ldinternet Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 8,245	Gemini, untrue. The CJ script is a means of getting fresh traffic in, sending out crap traffic, and sending only the best traffic to your sponsors. I see this method perfected at http://www.tinyteengalleries.com/ the guy who runs this has to be one of the smartest tgp owners on the whole fucken net. I would not want bookmarkers, that is shit sucking traffic. They ONLY come back to see free porn - a bookmarker is an established and official free loader. They will see the same banners day after day, the same sponsors... they need to be shuffled from site to site until they buy something. They don't need to be screwed, slammed with a million consoles, cheated or lied to - all that the webmaster has to do is PROVE to them that joining a pay site is the best decision that they will ever make, and will make their jerk-offs more pleasurable than ever. But if they aren't going to buy then they are worthless. Passed from site to site... put through ad after ad after ad until they're ready to whip out that plastic. If someone doesn't buy something at my site, then they can fuck off somewhere else and freeload someone else's bandwidth. I don't give a fuck if they never come back to my site - I will not pay for them to see free pictures. CJ tgps have much better quality than "bookmark old skool" tgps, and I speak that from experience. Maybe yours are very different. I love AVS. I love CJ. Woot! I just noticed that another one of those fucken' "Police Videos" is on! I love these shows. That old guy is great... "I'm Sherrif John Burnell!"... [This message has been edited by ldinternet (edited 04-28-2001).]

04-28-2001, 03:12 PM	#6
Warphead Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kiss my yankee dick. Posts: 994	Something I don't understand Id, maybe you have a view: I run a "clean" tgp and a CJ2. Both are making money for me, but that's not what I'm not understanding. The idea behind a CJ site is to annoy the surfers until they buy, and it seems to work pretty good. But lots of CJ owners mention trading with TGP's to increase the quality of traffic, it seems to me you're trading frustrated traffic for surfers that know where the free stuff is - how can that be good?

04-28-2001, 03:38 PM	#7
Pete Dogg Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 204	"But lots of CJ owners mention trading with TGP's to increase the quality of traffic, " I think CJ sites would be gold if their traffic never touched a TGP. I run a clean CJ2 site and Im trying to keep it as far as I can away from a TGP. Because if a surfer is frustrated and then wind up with the free porn they want, then the purpose of CJ sites is defeated. The 2 areas should stay apart in my opinion. Peace, Pete Dogg

04-28-2001, 03:40 PM	#8
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	That's it Warp! Admittedly I don't know alot about cj sites but I do know when I get caught in those never ending sets of BS popups and shuffles (forced on me) that I'd not buy from any of them, maybe throttle one of the owners if I had him tho. lol We know alot of surfers personally (camgirlie days were worth something anyhow) and they make notes of the sites that shuffle them... easy to do once they discover the history function. So we get stuck on their BS lists and not even our fault. TGP's that have popups (sensible number) but don't allow them is fine by us, but when they start that shuffle BS, they may end up making ONE sale from 2% of the surfers. I wonder how many rebills they COULD get... But surfers get smarter after a couple of months and will move on to another cleaner place. (That jerked around sticks in their minds) Think it doesn't? How many guys here can STILL name (and picture) the guy that tormented them in say (4th) grade??

04-28-2001, 04:49 PM	#9
Dopy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Puerto Del Carmen, Lanzarote, Canary Islands Posts: 1,572	Do you people know just how many guys pull out the plastic on a return visit to a book marked site. Such arrogance, but then CJ is arrogant - its the junk yard end of the adult business. Those who don't have the finesse to sell whole cars stack them in piles and sell the bits while all day they growl and snarl at the visitors who don?t buy. The golden rule in any business is, if you don?t show you don?t grow, I will leave you CJ gurus to work this one out. Empty vessels make most noise; it never fails to ring true.

04-28-2001, 09:19 PM	#10
Warphead Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Kiss my yankee dick. Posts: 994	That's what I'm saying, Pete. I keep hearing CJers talk about this and I'm thinking it doesn't make any sense. Gem, Dopy, what the hell are ya talking about buddy?

04-29-2001, 12:45 AM	#13
boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	yo dude, quit trying to analyze everything.. Its just slowing you down.. Put your nose to the grindstone, and work work work on your project.. Dont get sidtracked.. Stay focused, get it done then analyze all the shit around you after you are done...It seems to be a major distraction to you. You had a vision, and it sounds like it is getting a little distracted.. Fuck everyone else, and get your project done.. You were on to something good, and you were working late hours on it and putting a lot into it.. Get back on track, or you'll be sitting around thinking and analyizing shit all day. [This message has been edited by boneprone (edited 04-29-2001).]