3rd party billing 8% +1$ per transaction ? - GoFuckYourself.com

yanik · 07-17-2004, 03:10 PM

Hello,

Looking arround to get a better deal than 15% per credit card transactions i found a company named American Merchant System...Anybody know about them ? or the person running it Mr. Jack Daryanani ?

I asked him to list me a few sites that were already making business with him and he said "I had to sign a non disclosure agreement and cannot give ANY information on
them. Sorry."

His site looks a bit amateur : http://www.amsvisa.com
So im a bit unsure if i should use his service...

If he decides to kick me off one day and not payout it would fucks me bad!

If anyone has comments or know about him please post em!

Thanks

tony286 · 07-17-2004, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yanik
Hello,

Looking arround to get a better deal than 15% per credit card transactions i found a company named American Merchant System...Anybody know about them ? or the person running it Mr. Jack Daryanani ?

I asked him to list me a few sites that were already making business with him and he said "I had to sign a non disclosure agreement and cannot give ANY information on
them. Sorry."

His site looks a bit amateur : http://www.amsvisa.com
So im a bit unsure if i should use his service...

If he decides to kick me off one day and not payout it would fucks me bad!

If anyone has comments or know about him please post em!

Thanks

Use a real processing company , you dont want to play cheap with your money.

cummins · 07-17-2004, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
Use a real processing company , you dont want to play cheap with your money.

I totally agree. This is your lifeline. If something goes wrong your totally f**ked! At the very least have one of the big 3 processing companies as a back-up so you can change over at the flip of a switch if something goes wrong.

Varius · 07-17-2004, 03:25 PM

How much are your memberships?

If its 8% + 1$ on 24.95 for example, that's 12%.

You can get better than that with companies like CCBill, depending on volume ofcourse.

ZanyCash Larry · 07-17-2004, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Varius
How much are your memberships?

If its 8% + 1$ on 24.95 for example, that's 12%.

You can get better than that with companies like CCBill, depending on volume ofcourse.

He is right on

yanik · 07-18-2004, 11:27 AM

Thanks for your comments guys!

My signups are currently 14.95 euros (arround USD 20) thats not far from 15% Heheh, i dont process much so i wouldnt probably get a deal with ccbill, ill stay with billingfrance for now i guess...

I just found a local processing company (Montreal) I might give them a try since we are in the same city, its http://www.myvirtualcard.com anyone heard about them ?

psyko514 · 07-18-2004, 11:30 AM

yanik... long time no see...

remember me (lakester) and my girl brat from #hiphopfr?

yanik · 07-18-2004, 11:41 AM

Hey what soup man ?

- chicken noddles

Long long time...

Do you still IRC? if so pass by #montrealamateur

Peace

emmanuelle · 07-18-2004, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by yanik
Hey what soup man ?

- chicken noddles

Long long time...

Do you still IRC? if so pass by #montrealamateur

Peace

is there a version of your site for anglos?

Mike Okitch · 07-18-2004, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yanik
Hello,

Looking arround to get a better deal than 15% per credit card transactions i found a company named American Merchant System...Anybody know about them ? or the person running it Mr. Jack Daryanani ?

I asked him to list me a few sites that were already making business with him and he said "I had to sign a non disclosure agreement and cannot give ANY information on
them. Sorry."

His site looks a bit amateur : http://www.amsvisa.com
So im a bit unsure if i should use his service...

If he decides to kick me off one day and not payout it would fucks me bad!

If anyone has comments or know about him please post em!

Thanks

Yanik,

When it comes to something affecting your income like a credit card processor does, just remember one thing.

When in doubt, stay out

Etik Media · 07-18-2004, 12:38 PM

Hey man use verotel, they have been around for years its a great company have used them since 2001.

* I pay 6.8% processing fee but a member pays $2 security fee.
* Its 14% regular fee.

Click here to register, you can login right away after registration.

yanik · 07-18-2004, 02:42 PM

Hey

emmanuelle : not right now sorry, i need to kick myself in the ass, i was supposed to integrate mutli language support to launch newyorkamateur.com 2 years ago hehe... Ill try to have it done soon, money sleeping, ill then merge it into montrealamateur easily. You dont understand french at all? I saw you were from Montreal... Anyways if you have a free account let me know ill give u a vip one

Mike : thanks for the advice, you are probably right!

Etik : 6.8% thats good! I just dont get the security fees?
I contacted verotel few years ago but they wanted me to translate my site first so they can understand... I fucked it hehe, maybe they can speak french now

Thanks

Mike Okitch · 07-18-2004, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yanik
I contacted verotel few years ago but they wanted me to translate my site first so they can understand... I fucked it hehe, maybe they can speak french now

Si t'a besoin d'aide a traduire ton (ou tes) sites, peut etre que je peut t'aider. Si t'est interesse, contacte moi sur ICQ # 277-416-860.

lacorporacione · 07-18-2004, 05:10 PM

We can do 7% and no fee per transaction!

See sig!

yanik · 07-18-2004, 10:00 PM

Cool Mike ! I might not hire you but ill add you

Mine is 1-291-627

lacorporacione : sounds great, id like more infos, do you have a website?

psyko514 · 07-18-2004, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yanik
Etik : 6.8% thats good! I just dont get the security fees?
I contacted verotel few years ago but they wanted me to translate my site first so they can understand... I fucked it hehe, maybe they can speak french now

Thanks

This is how the security fee works:
You can have a lower processing fee (something like 6%-7%), but Verotel charges your surfer an seperate $1.95 fee on top of your membership fee. They call it a security fee.

skillfull · 07-18-2004, 10:24 PM

chicoman ?
lmao
use a real billing compagny or get lost

psyko514 · 07-18-2004, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by skillfull
chicoman ?
lmao
use a real billing compagny or get lost

you know him too?

hehehe...

skillfull · 07-18-2004, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
you know him too?

hehehe...

who in Quebec Undernet scene
doesnt ? :P

#z
UnderZ
kind of old school stuff ;)

viocard · 07-19-2004, 12:54 AM

We offer Credit Card Processing for 8%.
It can be less, depending on the type business.
No extra fees or charges.
And we have cutting-edge fraud screening technology.
Contact our sales ICQ (#348-843-031) to get more info.

yanik · 07-19-2004, 10:08 AM

psyko514 : thx for the explanation, i think its better to have everyting in a 1 time fee tho...

skillfull : you are ? Heh by a "real" company you mean ibill ccbill and verotel ? or others...? i use an unreal company and they are ok hehe; billingfrance, but theres lots of new merchants with better deals now, i think ill give them a try as secondary processing companies...

viocard : your service is similar to paypal ? it looks ok, i also need an offshore company soon, but on your site it says you have over 50 000 sites already processing with you, when i look on google for "viocard" theres only 663 results and most of them are for a Network DVR Card called VIOCARD-100... Could you list a few of the 50k sites you deal with ?

Thanks

Kimmykim · 07-19-2004, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
This is how the security fee works:
You can have a lower processing fee (something like 6%-7%), but Verotel charges your surfer an seperate $1.95 fee on top of your membership fee. They call it a security fee.

I'm sure the FTC will be impressed with that ;)

yanik · 07-19-2004, 10:33 AM

Why would they ? :P

I guess its not a scam if the customer knows it before...

TaDoW · 07-19-2004, 10:48 AM

i'd have to run numbers on it ... but off the top of my head, that doesn't seem like a very good deal

psyko514 · 07-19-2004, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
I'm sure the FTC will be impressed with that ;)

long time no see

skillfull · 07-19-2004, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by yanik

skillfull : you are ? Heh by a "real" company you mean ibill ccbill and verotel ? or others...? i use an unreal company and they are ok hehe; billingfrance, but theres lots of new merchants with better deals now, i think ill give them a try as secondary processing companies...

billingfrance is an ok compagny
a real cie i mean ibill or ccbill for sure
and for your offshore stuff, contact me
i may give you some hints :P

viocard · 07-19-2004, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by yanik
viocard : your service is similar to paypal ? it looks ok, i also need an offshore company soon, but on your site it says you have over 50 000 sites already processing with you, when i look on google for "viocard" theres only 663 results and most of them are for a Network DVR Card called VIOCARD-100... Could you list a few of the 50k sites you deal with ?

We are a sort of new program. Have just appeared on the market about a year ago. But we are growing reeeeally fast. We are now compiling a detailed list of sites that accept VIOCARD. You will soon be able to see it on our web site.

If you need only an offshore company (without an account), contact us by ICQ# 121-839-223. We might have a good solution for you from our affiliates. If you'll need a company with a Merchant Account, then see sig...

JimmyJim · 07-19-2004, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by viocard
We are a sort of new program. Have just appeared on the market about a year ago. But we are growing reeeeally fast. We are now compiling a detailed list of sites that accept VIOCARD. You will soon be able to see it on our web site.

If you need only an offshore company (without an account), contact us by ICQ# 121-839-223. We might have a good solution for you from our affiliates. If you'll need a company with a Merchant Account, then see sig...

Hahaha,

Viocard - 50k merchants huh? Again, you dodge a clear question. Why on your site does it say 50K merchants accepting your service, then you tell us 'well, we are a new program'...that's such bullshit!

Sorry everyone - I have a Beef with Viocard -these fuckers were going througha processor called NovaGrove a little while ago. According to Novagrove, these fuckers put through BEASTIALITY content, which caused MasterCard to freeze the account. I lost THOUSANDS because of this FUCKER.

*MERCHANTS BEWARE*!!!!!!!

JimmyJim · 07-19-2004, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yanik
Thanks for your comments guys!

My signups are currently 14.95 euros (arround USD 20) thats not far from 15% Heheh, i dont process much so i wouldnt probably get a deal with ccbill, ill stay with billingfrance for now i guess...

I just found a local processing company (Montreal) I might give them a try since we are in the same city, its http://www.myvirtualcard.com anyone heard about them ?

Am familiar; I met them at the show in Amsterdam, good guys and I like what they stand for. I'm thinking about giving them a try.

xxxdesign-net · 07-19-2004, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yanik
Thanks for your comments guys!

My signups are currently 14.95 euros (arround USD 20) thats not far from 15% Heheh, i dont process much so i wouldnt probably get a deal with ccbill, ill stay with billingfrance for now i guess...

I just found a local processing company (Montreal) I might give them a try since we are in the same city, its http://www.myvirtualcard.com anyone heard about them ?

Good luck proccessing with CCbill.. you'll need to be incorporated in the US or EU... and have a resident agent living there.. that will agree to basically signup for you giving his personal info like SSN#, passport.. etc.. which is very hard to find... Hey.. im still looking myself...

yanik · 07-19-2004, 04:05 PM

skillfull : cool! added you

JimmyJim : thx for the info ahha, its true that it looks like a scam, 50k merchant and no way to find one of their clients. On top of that he cant even mention 1...

At least myvirtualcard showed me some site with their services...

xxxdesign-net : true, this kinda sux, its almost the same for ibill... And that 750$ to be able to accept visa sux hehe, those companies also want me to translate my site in english before to be able to use them... sux!!! Thats another reason why id like to give my money elsewhere...

yanik · 07-20-2004, 10:04 AM

I scan my content from Penthouse

Quotealex · 07-26-2004, 06:08 AM

If it is for you MontrealAmateur site, you should really consider getting your own merchant account. Eris (phone #: 1-800-MON-ERIS) is the biggest processor in Canada and will set you up for $400, $0.25 per transaction and 4% transaction fee.

Plus you'll beable to charge your client in Canadian dollar instead of Euros like you're doing right now;)

yanik · 07-26-2004, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
If it is for you MontrealAmateur site, you should really consider getting your own merchant account. Eris (phone #: 1-800-MON-ERIS) is the biggest processor in Canada and will set you up for $400, $0.25 per transaction and 4% transaction fee.

Plus you'll beable to charge your client in Canadian dollar instead of Euros like you're doing right now;)

Hey Alex, yeah its for mtlam.com and some others, but i tought Moneris wasnt accepting adult ?

Also i think you need to enter every cc number manually hehe

Correct me if im wrong :P

Hentaikid · 07-26-2004, 10:17 AM

If you know the processors name (amsvisa) you can do a google search for sites that have it in their join pages...

Quotealex · 07-26-2004, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by yanik
Hey Alex, yeah its for mtlam.com and some others, but i tought Moneris wasnt accepting adult ?

Also i think you need to enter every cc number manually hehe

Correct me if im wrong :P

They recently been accepting adult sites last I heard. Third parties processors are good if you want srubbing to be done which I don't think you want/need for MontrealAmateur.

Tell your admintrators to take those CC orders and not spend their time showing us their pussy.

(just kidding).

yanik · 07-26-2004, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
They recently been accepting adult sites last I heard. Third parties processors are good if you want srubbing to be done which I don't think you want/need for MontrealAmateur.

Tell your admintrators to take those CC orders and not spend their time showing us their pussy. (just kidding).

HAHAHAHA ALEX!

Thats true... lol

Ill check them out, thanks!

07-17-2004, 03:10 PM	#1
yanik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 84	3rd party billing 8% +1$ per transaction ? Hello, Looking arround to get a better deal than 15% per credit card transactions i found a company named American Merchant System...Anybody know about them ? or the person running it Mr. Jack Daryanani ? I asked him to list me a few sites that were already making business with him and he said "I had to sign a non disclosure agreement and cannot give ANY information on them. Sorry." His site looks a bit amateur : http://www.amsvisa.com So im a bit unsure if i should use his service... If he decides to kick me off one day and not payout it would fucks me bad! If anyone has comments or know about him please post em! Thanks __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-18-2004, 11:27 AM	#6
yanik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 84	Thanks for your comments guys! My signups are currently 14.95 euros (arround USD 20) thats not far from 15% Heheh, i dont process much so i wouldnt probably get a deal with ccbill, ill stay with billingfrance for now i guess... I just found a local processing company (Montreal) I might give them a try since we are in the same city, its http://www.myvirtualcard.com anyone heard about them ? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-18-2004, 11:30 AM	#7
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07-18-2004, 11:41 AM	#8
yanik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 84	Hey what soup man ? - chicken noddles Long long time... Do you still IRC? if so pass by #montrealamateur Peace __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-18-2004, 02:42 PM	#12
yanik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 84	Hey emmanuelle : not right now sorry, i need to kick myself in the ass, i was supposed to integrate mutli language support to launch newyorkamateur.com 2 years ago hehe... Ill try to have it done soon, money sleeping, ill then merge it into montrealamateur easily. You dont understand french at all? I saw you were from Montreal... Anyways if you have a free account let me know ill give u a vip one Mike : thanks for the advice, you are probably right! Etik : 6.8% thats good! I just dont get the security fees? I contacted verotel few years ago but they wanted me to translate my site first so they can understand... I fucked it hehe, maybe they can speak french now Thanks __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-17-2004, 03:25 PM	#4
Varius Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 6,890	How much are your memberships? If its 8% + 1$ on 24.95 for example, that's 12%. You can get better than that with companies like CCBill, depending on volume ofcourse.

07-18-2004, 12:38 PM	#11
Etik Media Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 493	Hey man use verotel, they have been around for years its a great company have used them since 2001. * I pay 6.8% processing fee but a member pays $2 security fee. * Its 14% regular fee. Click here to register, you can login right away after registration.

07-18-2004, 05:10 PM	#14
lacorporacione Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 252	We can do 7% and no fee per transaction! See sig! __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60. Let me repeat... A 120 x 60 button and no more that 3 lines of DEFAULT SIZE AND COLOR text.

07-18-2004, 10:00 PM	#15
yanik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 84	Cool Mike ! I might not hire you but ill add you Mine is 1-291-627 lacorporacione : sounds great, id like more infos, do you have a website? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-18-2004, 10:24 PM	#17
skillfull Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Quebec Calisse Posts: 4,716	chicoman ? lmao use a real billing compagny or get lost __________________ mind at underdark dot cc SEO Analyst Thunder-Ball.net - Member

07-19-2004, 12:54 AM	#20
viocard Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 43	We offer Credit Card Processing for 8%. It can be less, depending on the type business. No extra fees or charges. And we have cutting-edge fraud screening technology. Contact our sales ICQ (#348-843-031) to get more info. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-19-2004, 10:08 AM	#21
yanik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 84	psyko514 : thx for the explanation, i think its better to have everyting in a 1 time fee tho... skillfull : you are ? Heh by a "real" company you mean ibill ccbill and verotel ? or others...? i use an unreal company and they are ok hehe; billingfrance, but theres lots of new merchants with better deals now, i think ill give them a try as secondary processing companies... viocard : your service is similar to paypal ? it looks ok, i also need an offshore company soon, but on your site it says you have over 50 000 sites already processing with you, when i look on google for "viocard" theres only 663 results and most of them are for a Network DVR Card called VIOCARD-100... Could you list a few of the 50k sites you deal with ? Thanks __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-19-2004, 10:33 AM	#23
yanik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 84	Why would they ? :P I guess its not a scam if the customer knows it before... __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-19-2004, 10:48 AM	#24
TaDoW Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Where It Rains Posts: 3,875	i'd have to run numbers on it ... but off the top of my head, that doesn't seem like a very good deal __________________ -TaDoW I've Upped My Standards, Up Yours!

07-19-2004, 04:05 PM	#31
yanik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 84	skillfull : cool! added you JimmyJim : thx for the info ahha, its true that it looks like a scam, 50k merchant and no way to find one of their clients. On top of that he cant even mention 1... At least myvirtualcard showed me some site with their services... xxxdesign-net : true, this kinda sux, its almost the same for ibill... And that 750$ to be able to accept visa sux hehe, those companies also want me to translate my site in english before to be able to use them... sux!!! Thats another reason why id like to give my money elsewhere... __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-20-2004, 10:04 AM	#32
yanik Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 84	I scan my content from Penthouse __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

07-26-2004, 06:08 AM	#33
Quotealex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Global Digerati Village Posts: 6,265	If it is for you MontrealAmateur site, you should really consider getting your own merchant account. Eris (phone #: 1-800-MON-ERIS) is the biggest processor in Canada and will set you up for $400, $0.25 per transaction and 4% transaction fee. Plus you'll beable to charge your client in Canadian dollar instead of Euros like you're doing right now;) Last edited by Quotealex; 07-26-2004 at 06:10 AM..

07-26-2004, 10:17 AM	#35
Hentaikid Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 1,249	If you know the processors name (amsvisa) you can do a google search for sites that have it in their join pages...