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sweetjimmy · 04-27-2001, 07:48 AM

i got kickass shaw cable and i wanted to hook up another computer. do any of you know how to use 2 network cards to make a router. i don't know fuck all about networking.

Backov · 04-27-2001, 08:09 AM

Do it the easy way - spend 135 odd bucks and get a linksys etherfast cable/dsl router - the 4 port one.. It's pretty much dead easy to setup, and much better than any software setup.

Cheers,
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AC – Infinity · 04-27-2001, 08:12 AM

yep, the linksys takes about a whole 12 seconds to set up, super easy.

Susan · 04-27-2001, 08:24 AM

Yep me got a Linksys hub at home too - connects the Linux box, win2000 box, laptop and cable cable modem - nice and easy to plug up.

sweetjimmy · 04-27-2001, 08:50 AM

my buddy brought over a 3com and some shit wouldn't work. i dunno i'm gonna call him up.

sweetjimmy · 04-27-2001, 08:51 AM

linksys eh? none of you guys had any trouble with your isp?

Henrik · 04-27-2001, 09:38 AM

Never heard of linksys. I got a free Cisco 677 DSL router when i got my dsl line. It's great. Like most routers you can use it as a firewall too, and it's very easy to configure.

Goliath · 04-27-2001, 09:46 AM

You need a cable/DSL 4 port router. You can usually get them for about $125-$175, or under $100 if you hit ebay.

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Web_Mistress · 04-27-2001, 10:47 AM

I have a NetGear RT314 4 port router, and it works....except it is TOO secure sometimes, I have a hard time with netmeeting and cusee me because it sees the incomming stuff as a threat. If you want a REALLY GOOD hardware firewall, pick NetGear. Otherwise, I wouldn't recommend it.

Heh, that linksys (?) box, does it have a hardware firewall too? Have you used it with Net Meeting? I can't open the ports up to more than one machine, so only one of us can use netmeeting at a time, which Is a bummer when we are talking to our family. If that linksys works, might check it out...

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RedShoe · 04-27-2001, 11:01 AM

SweetJimmy,

When I got DSL, they told me I would have to pay for a business package for 140.00 a month just to be able to run DSL on more than one computer.

When the lady came to install it she noticed that I already had a lynksys 5 port hub. She said to plug the DSL modem into port #1 and connect the computers to the hub.

How nice of her to tell me this secret.

Basically from the wall to the hub, and from the hub to the other computers.

It works super fast. I have 2 computers at home setup this way, and 3 computers at work set up this way.

Go to any computer store and just buy a hub and some cables. Most newer computers have a network card built in, so all you need is the hub and cables.

Oh, before I forget, all the computers on this now half-ass network, need to sign on to the internet under the same user name and password.

I've never noticed even a slight decrease in connection speed, not even while uploading entire galleries.

I never paid more than $40.00 for the hub. And it takes exactly 3 minutes 15 seconds to set up.

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sweetjimmy · 04-27-2001, 12:40 PM

so i don't need a router? just a hub?

what's the difference?

Web_Mistress · 04-27-2001, 02:17 PM

A router routes the traffic between the computers, and has a port to plug your DSL or cable modem into.

A switch just allows you to set up a network, you can't plug a modem into it. (I have a DLink switch I used to use with my dialup connection)

I'm not shure where a hub fits into that, but you do need a router, unless you have a computer with two nic cards, and you plug the modem directly into that computer, then with the other nic card, plug it into the switch or directly into a second computer. You'd need something like Avirt Soho running to share the internet connection that way.

I did this with my dial-up connection, and I did see degregation of speed. My boyfriend, who was the server, whould fire up Photoshop to work in graphics, and my connection would slow down to a c r a w l.

It is much better to do the router route. You have a peer to peer network, and if one of you is running some graphic intensive program, it won't slow your partner down.

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TFCash · 04-27-2001, 02:29 PM

Let me relieve some of the confusion.

A router does a number of things for you a) you can plug in multiple wan connections. i.e. I have both 6mb/s DSL & a Cable connection. With my Linux router I can make them bond together to give me faster access, or if one of them goes down I don't notice due to the fact that the router reroutes my data stream

A switch and a hub are pretty much the same in terms of function, both allow you to connect multiple machines and devices together. Now many of the units that have been mentioned also have a fire wall and a dhcp server built into them so that you can protect yourself from the net with the fire wall, and share the one connection with multiple computers with the dhcp server without effecting any of the machines on your network.

I would recommend that you spend a couple extra dollars and get a switch versus a hub, for the simple fact of the speed difference. A switch is a two way flow of data, and each port has 100Mb of pipe to flow in. Many of the 100 hubs are symmetrical, or one way flow, in other words data only flows in one direction at a time. With a hub you also share the 100Mb pipe with all the computers on your little network. It's also nice if you backup your machines across the network, or share a printer you will notice a considerable difference with the switch. Like I said you won't pay that much more, maybe $40 at the most. Just my 2cents

Tim

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Backov · 04-27-2001, 02:31 PM

You CAN use a hub, but I would not recommend it.. What happens when you use a hub instead of a router is that all of the computers on the hub get IP addresses, and your local traffic goes over the local cable node first. Very bad, and the cable company will not like you for it.

The cable routers are generally firewalls, DHCP servers and 10/100 switching hubs.. The Linksys has port forwarding, and you can set one computer on the router to be in the "DMZ" (Demilitarized zone) which means it isn't behind the firewall at all.

As for being too secure, I haven't had any problems so far. Everything works, although some things (like ICQ transfers) take 30 seconds or so to start..

Cheers,
Backov

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RedShoe · 04-27-2001, 02:48 PM

Learn from all of this sweetJimmy. It's all good info.

The reason I called my network "half-ass" is because it is. It's not a true network.

My wife and I used to network our computers together, but rarely used it. We only really used it when we would acces the internet via 56k connection, and if we went on at the same time it seemed 100 times slower.

When we got DSL, we dumped our true network, and now use the hub for internet access.

If you need to use it to share info with the other comp. I wouldn't recommend the way I set it up. For now, my set up has been reliabe, and fast.

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loster · 04-27-2001, 03:43 PM

Just for everyones knowledge...here's a couple articles on making homemade routers.

Using an NT workstation... http://www.win2000mag.com/Articles/I...ArticleID=2555

Using Linux base... http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stor...631490,00.html

Might learn something ;-)

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chris_davis · 04-27-2001, 04:16 PM

OK - you will run into trouble using a switch or a hub if your provider limits the number of IP address you can resolve from the DHCP server..

If you want to route through a computer, the easiest way is to set up your first computer with a NIC tied into your cable/dsl modem and the other into a hub/switch or a crossover cable into another computer (just a network cable with one of the pairs switched around.) Set up internet connection sharing on the first computer, and share the connection that is tied into the modem. Set the computer(s) that will share the connection to standard TCP/IP settings (obtain addresses from the DHCP) and you are ready to hook as many as 256 computers up to that one connection.

A switch is just a smart hub. Think of a hub as a power strip. Bunches of things can plug into one connection. With a hub, everyone talks at once and sometimes you get garbage (collisions) but TCP (Transmission Control Protocol) tells the computer to re-send lost packets of data. Switches can speed up network connections because they sort-of route traffic connected to it. If computer A needs to send something to computer B computer C won't hear it and there won't be garbage if computer C tries to tell computer D something at the same moment computer A&B are shooting the shit.

Anyway, long-winded explanation... Email me at [email protected] if you have any trouble with it...

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sweetjimmy · 04-27-2001, 05:55 PM

fuck it, i just bought a linksys router. thanks for your help, you are all good people.

Hopefully I'll see you in 3 minutes.

jwerd · 12-21-2003, 04:16 PM

Don't buy a Linksys router! I seriously cannot stress this enough!!!

Linksys routers are built for protection, but also have an extremely bad bug with them -- You cannot share forward your packets, or open up extra ports without first turning off your DHCP settings.

Like any good router, having the packets forward are helpful for connections to speifically targeted areas -- like a direct connection through aim, icq, or any other IM software.

You can pick up a Belkin or Netgear router for a little more or maybe cheaper, depending on where you are...

And most importantly, don't always believe what you read, see some reviews and see how it functions -- tom's hardware review I believe has a good router review... just go to places most people trust... You pretty much won't go wrong there...

Take it easy and goodluck!

misty · 12-21-2003, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by Backov
Do it the easy way - spend 135 odd bucks and get a linksys etherfast cable/dsl router - the 4 port one.. It's pretty much dead easy to setup, and much better than any software setup.
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I have this at home and it works well, but when my roomate use eMule, it fuck the router...looks like there is a problem with that

ytcracker · 12-21-2003, 04:18 PM

i configured my FreeBSD box as my router because my piece of shit linksys routers suck so now they are just glorified hubs

then again i am 31337 so fuck it

jwerd · 12-21-2003, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ytcracker
i configured my FreeBSD box as my router because my piece of shit linksys routers suck so now they are just glorified hubs

then again i am 31337 so fuck it

word linksys is t3h sUX!

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04-27-2001, 07:48 AM	#1
sweetjimmy Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Harlem, NY, U.S.A Posts: 777	Does anyone know how to use a computer as a router? i got kickass shaw cable and i wanted to hook up another computer. do any of you know how to use 2 network cards to make a router. i don't know fuck all about networking.

04-27-2001, 08:09 AM	#2
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	Do it the easy way - spend 135 odd bucks and get a linksys etherfast cable/dsl router - the 4 port one.. It's pretty much dead easy to setup, and much better than any software setup. Cheers, Backov ------------------ AVSBlitz - Build AVS Sites Faster and Better

04-27-2001, 08:12 AM	#3
AC – Infinity Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Chicago Posts: 98	yep, the linksys takes about a whole 12 seconds to set up, super easy.

04-27-2001, 08:24 AM	#4
Susan Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Amost UK central Posts: 772	Yep me got a Linksys hub at home too - connects the Linux box, win2000 box, laptop and cable cable modem - nice and easy to plug up.

04-27-2001, 08:50 AM	#5
sweetjimmy Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Harlem, NY, U.S.A Posts: 777	my buddy brought over a 3com and some shit wouldn't work. i dunno i'm gonna call him up.

04-27-2001, 08:51 AM	#6
sweetjimmy Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Harlem, NY, U.S.A Posts: 777	linksys eh? none of you guys had any trouble with your isp?

04-27-2001, 09:38 AM	#7
Henrik Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Non cheating area, Denmark Posts: 228	Never heard of linksys. I got a free Cisco 677 DSL router when i got my dsl line. It's great. Like most routers you can use it as a firewall too, and it's very easy to configure.

04-27-2001, 09:46 AM	#8
Goliath Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 122	You need a cable/DSL 4 port router. You can usually get them for about $125-$175, or under $100 if you hit ebay. ------------------ "Stop the teasin' and start the pleasin'"

04-27-2001, 10:47 AM	#9
Web_Mistress Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 374	I have a NetGear RT314 4 port router, and it works....except it is TOO secure sometimes, I have a hard time with netmeeting and cusee me because it sees the incomming stuff as a threat. If you want a REALLY GOOD hardware firewall, pick NetGear. Otherwise, I wouldn't recommend it. Heh, that linksys (?) box, does it have a hardware firewall too? Have you used it with Net Meeting? I can't open the ports up to more than one machine, so only one of us can use netmeeting at a time, which Is a bummer when we are talking to our family. If that linksys works, might check it out... ------------------ ~Every time I call myself Webmistress, I feel I should be in spike heels with a whip~ KICK ASS content and sponsor Oliver Klozov ~ Quality babes Free Net Pass

04-27-2001, 11:01 AM	#10
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	SweetJimmy, When I got DSL, they told me I would have to pay for a business package for 140.00 a month just to be able to run DSL on more than one computer. When the lady came to install it she noticed that I already had a lynksys 5 port hub. She said to plug the DSL modem into port #1 and connect the computers to the hub. How nice of her to tell me this secret. Basically from the wall to the hub, and from the hub to the other computers. It works super fast. I have 2 computers at home setup this way, and 3 computers at work set up this way. Go to any computer store and just buy a hub and some cables. Most newer computers have a network card built in, so all you need is the hub and cables. Oh, before I forget, all the computers on this now half-ass network, need to sign on to the internet under the same user name and password. I've never noticed even a slight decrease in connection speed, not even while uploading entire galleries. I never paid more than $40.00 for the hub. And it takes exactly 3 minutes 15 seconds to set up. ------------------ [email protected] LeeannOnline.com usexfan.com

04-27-2001, 12:40 PM	#11
sweetjimmy Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Harlem, NY, U.S.A Posts: 777	so i don't need a router? just a hub? what's the difference?

04-27-2001, 02:17 PM	#12
Web_Mistress Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 374	A router routes the traffic between the computers, and has a port to plug your DSL or cable modem into. A switch just allows you to set up a network, you can't plug a modem into it. (I have a DLink switch I used to use with my dialup connection) I'm not shure where a hub fits into that, but you do need a router, unless you have a computer with two nic cards, and you plug the modem directly into that computer, then with the other nic card, plug it into the switch or directly into a second computer. You'd need something like Avirt Soho running to share the internet connection that way. I did this with my dial-up connection, and I did see degregation of speed. My boyfriend, who was the server, whould fire up Photoshop to work in graphics, and my connection would slow down to a c r a w l. It is much better to do the router route. You have a peer to peer network, and if one of you is running some graphic intensive program, it won't slow your partner down. ------------------ ~Every time I call myself Webmistress, I feel I should be in spike heels with a whip~ KICK ASS content and sponsor Oliver Klozov ~ Quality babes Free Net Pass

04-27-2001, 02:29 PM	#13
TFCash Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,738	Let me relieve some of the confusion. A router does a number of things for you a) you can plug in multiple wan connections. i.e. I have both 6mb/s DSL & a Cable connection. With my Linux router I can make them bond together to give me faster access, or if one of them goes down I don't notice due to the fact that the router reroutes my data stream A switch and a hub are pretty much the same in terms of function, both allow you to connect multiple machines and devices together. Now many of the units that have been mentioned also have a fire wall and a dhcp server built into them so that you can protect yourself from the net with the fire wall, and share the one connection with multiple computers with the dhcp server without effecting any of the machines on your network. I would recommend that you spend a couple extra dollars and get a switch versus a hub, for the simple fact of the speed difference. A switch is a two way flow of data, and each port has 100Mb of pipe to flow in. Many of the 100 hubs are symmetrical, or one way flow, in other words data only flows in one direction at a time. With a hub you also share the 100Mb pipe with all the computers on your little network. It's also nice if you backup your machines across the network, or share a printer you will notice a considerable difference with the switch. Like I said you won't pay that much more, maybe $40 at the most. Just my 2cents Tim [This message has been edited by hardcorehosting (edited 04-27-2001).]

04-27-2001, 02:31 PM	#14
Backov Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Cat Detector Van Posts: 1,600	You CAN use a hub, but I would not recommend it.. What happens when you use a hub instead of a router is that all of the computers on the hub get IP addresses, and your local traffic goes over the local cable node first. Very bad, and the cable company will not like you for it. The cable routers are generally firewalls, DHCP servers and 10/100 switching hubs.. The Linksys has port forwarding, and you can set one computer on the router to be in the "DMZ" (Demilitarized zone) which means it isn't behind the firewall at all. As for being too secure, I haven't had any problems so far. Everything works, although some things (like ICQ transfers) take 30 seconds or so to start.. Cheers, Backov ------------------ AVSBlitz - Build AVS Sites Faster and Better

04-27-2001, 02:48 PM	#15
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	Learn from all of this sweetJimmy. It's all good info. The reason I called my network "half-ass" is because it is. It's not a true network. My wife and I used to network our computers together, but rarely used it. We only really used it when we would acces the internet via 56k connection, and if we went on at the same time it seemed 100 times slower. When we got DSL, we dumped our true network, and now use the hub for internet access. If you need to use it to share info with the other comp. I wouldn't recommend the way I set it up. For now, my set up has been reliabe, and fast. ------------------ [email protected] LeeannOnline.com usexfan.com

04-27-2001, 03:43 PM	#16
loster Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 120	Just for everyones knowledge...here's a couple articles on making homemade routers. Using an NT workstation... http://www.win2000mag.com/Articles/I...ArticleID=2555 Using Linux base... http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stor...631490,00.html Might learn something ;-) loster ------------------ Dynamic Hosting - Dedicated Server Deals ICQ: 15898919 Cell: 301-467-6149

04-27-2001, 04:16 PM	#17
chris_davis Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 55	OK - you will run into trouble using a switch or a hub if your provider limits the number of IP address you can resolve from the DHCP server.. If you want to route through a computer, the easiest way is to set up your first computer with a NIC tied into your cable/dsl modem and the other into a hub/switch or a crossover cable into another computer (just a network cable with one of the pairs switched around.) Set up internet connection sharing on the first computer, and share the connection that is tied into the modem. Set the computer(s) that will share the connection to standard TCP/IP settings (obtain addresses from the DHCP) and you are ready to hook as many as 256 computers up to that one connection. A switch is just a smart hub. Think of a hub as a power strip. Bunches of things can plug into one connection. With a hub, everyone talks at once and sometimes you get garbage (collisions) but TCP (Transmission Control Protocol) tells the computer to re-send lost packets of data. Switches can speed up network connections because they sort-of route traffic connected to it. If computer A needs to send something to computer B computer C won't hear it and there won't be garbage if computer C tries to tell computer D something at the same moment computer A&B are shooting the shit. Anyway, long-winded explanation... Email me at [email protected] if you have any trouble with it... ------------------ Uuuuhhhhh... Fuck something anyway... www.myprofilz.com

04-27-2001, 05:55 PM	#18
sweetjimmy Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Harlem, NY, U.S.A Posts: 777	fuck it, i just bought a linksys router. thanks for your help, you are all good people. Hopefully I'll see you in 3 minutes.