Yeah, I like tempe better as well. Although, since the no-smoking ban went into effect, it kinda sucked.

Since you're in Chandler though - I'm sure you've checked out Wild Hare on Ray & Warner? That place is pretty cool.

Where is your town?

I'm in Gilbert, personally

You know that smoking ban.. as long as you are outside on a patio its all good.

Wild Hare.. It dont ring a bell. Normally I will go to Red Fish or Voodoo Daddys if I am staying in Chandler

You should check it out. It's awesome.

Voodoo Daddy's is cool - I know one of the waitresses there. That reminds me - Sugar Daddy's is also a hot place to go.

Of course, I spend most of my time in dives like Hollywood Alley and Chasers.

My friends have an awesome place in Desert Highlands for sale. Listed at 1.1M but they are very motivated to sell so you can probably get a very good deal on it.

Email me at [email protected] if you would like a copy of the listing.

I am a NY transplant ( 8 yrs here) so when I want wings I always hit that Native New Yorker over there and get those suicide wings.. good stuff.

Well that was before they opened one here in Chandler

Forgot about Sugar Daddys.. go there occassionally as well.. Was at Flip Flops last week..

Okay. I guess I stop bitching that there's no good places to go around here - There's also Margarita Rocks down mill which is usually a good time.

OH SHIT - FIBBER MCGEE'S in chandler - if you haven't gone there you have to go. (Dobson and Elliot)

Been there.. thats the Irish joint right?

Yeah, that's the one. It's consistently good.

i've lived in phoenix almost 20 years now, and i think it's a shithole (and yes, i'm planning to move).

first, the summer heat - at its worst, it's 115-120 degrees, and i don't care what anyone says, you never get used to it.

as for stuff to do - phoenix has a lot less than it should for a metro area this size. our nightlife is seriously lacking unless you're into country, we don't have much in the way of cultural activities, the mass transit system (what mass-transit system?) sucks, and traffic's a bitch.

most of the people that live here are either old and retired, middle-class people with families, or younger people who either just don't know any better or are in transition to somewhere else.

i wouldn't recommend it.

clean place,, but very hot, i wouldnt live there

yup im here in paradise valley (next door to scottsdale)!

right on shortbread! :thumbsup