Yeah, that's the one. It's consistently good.

i've lived in phoenix almost 20 years now, and i think it's a shithole (and yes, i'm planning to move).

first, the summer heat - at its worst, it's 115-120 degrees, and i don't care what anyone says, you never get used to it.

as for stuff to do - phoenix has a lot less than it should for a metro area this size. our nightlife is seriously lacking unless you're into country, we don't have much in the way of cultural activities, the mass transit system (what mass-transit system?) sucks, and traffic's a bitch.

most of the people that live here are either old and retired, middle-class people with families, or younger people who either just don't know any better or are in transition to somewhere else.

i wouldn't recommend it.

clean place,, but very hot, i wouldnt live there

yup im here in paradise valley (next door to scottsdale)!

right on shortbread! :thumbsup