Thumbs up on a great idea. I would love to see how it turns out in a few months. I'm sure we will be hearing about it.

Sorry, Danny showed me this before and I never said it was a bad idea. The post is people don't give any one a chance with a new idea unless they have a reputable person like yourself helping to promote it. I have made money on micropayment systems before, they are good and it will be even better if some big TGPs pick it up :)

nice... now a long the lines of reak...

registering a few domains wouldn't be a bad idea...

Thanks, I think so too. I'm on a huge roll picking up domains lately. Just added CockPerClick.com to the collection.

you're on the roll

i'll buy about 3 more tonight

This would be good for people who are wanting to get out of AVS.

Jimmer what you say is very true. It's probably because people have gotten burned by people who come here with new ideas that don't pan out.

The saying, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes to mind here. Many folks mean well, but don't know how to implement, deal with webmasters or surfers, etc. - but I agree with you....

I sit here longingly staring at severl delightful domains that I can't grab just yet. This blows.




Awesome idea, though. I think this might be a beautiful thing. :thumbsup

FM, Merchant Account transition is complet, we got it.

Thanks for helping me newbreed.

I appreciate that

:thumbsup

Anytime man, this is gonna be fun :thumbsup

Traffic Percentage : % Enter a figure between 0 and 50, no percent sign
The percentage of the published price for each click that you will pay to the traffic source

Dynamic Links : Allow Dynamic Links Allow MD5-protected links without requiring link-registration - eg for database-driven sites.


Whats that?

I had this idea not 8, but 7 years ago. At first I had the funds but the technology didn't help to implement this, then I had the funds to make it but technology was ready, thought this would be the year :( Anyway, fantasyman, good luck (even tho I hate you a little :feels-hot ) :thumbsup

idiot

Very good idea!!!!!!

What, you don't want your tgp monetized??







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Sleazyclicks.com :Graucho

That was the one I used back around '98 and I made a lot of money from it until the operators lost interest.

From experience, there are two main problems with micropayments:

1. You have to sell your site as usual (although that is easier if the price tag to see your content is low), but you also have to sell people (and gain their trust for) the micropayment processor. Done right, it still works: just not as well as - given the low access cost - you might imagine.

2. The biggest problem is that the surfer has the same formalities to go through, signing up to spend (say) $5 as he would have for a $30 monthly ID. So these payment systems work best if there are plenty of places the surfer can use them (and you can't just tell him there are, you need to show him). Then, to avoid the inconvenience of topping up regularly, he feels comfortable putting bigger amounts of money in his account.

When tokensystems started, they realized this and operated a links list for all their participating sites. It reassured the surfer to see their were plenty of places he could spend, and it provided a lot of traffic for the participating sites.

Any prospect of a list like that?

what he said

Sounds really interesting I think I might look into this a bit more

This is great for webmasters with large pools of newbie traffic.

What may happen is SE traffic would be diverted to this pay model.

I don't see TGP traffic changing to this, though.

There will be a scramble to keep newbie surfers 'uneducated' to free porn :)

Nice idea, would love to see it in action.

:glugglug

If you could convince some top TGP's to do this, it would work alot better. Say the average surfer knows 2 or 3, maybe 4 tgps off by heart. One day he wakes up and sees this system on his first TGP. He says WTF.. goes to the next one, and teh next, etc. Finally he realizes the days of free tgp's is over and he must begin paying for it. That would vreate a real revolution. If you're just using the same old sponsor or bought content to push the same sites as the free TGP's, it'll make some bank... but it wont take off. :2 cents:

Micropayments in non-adult products is already big business. For example, I have seen the numbers of what most of as call silly flash game sites in europe and they are IMPRESSIVE. It's easier to implement such type of payments and increase your revenues when you have your own standard client base. Lately worldpay implemented a similar service with the difference it doesn't support adult content and it's way more time consuming to create an account. Pay as you click has a position in this industry and I believe we didn't see it so far due to complexity it requires to be implemented from the merchant point of view. If you have content or traffic you should look at it. At least give it a try because it has serious potentials by building your own client base and increasing it through time.

Sleazy I'm talking about monetizing TGP content by selling it on the site, not from advertiser income. But thanx for the compliment. :thumbsup

forgot to take the schizophrenia pills?:glugglug

can you sell tangable goods with micropayments? i have a few sites i'd like extra payment options for for my products

anyway its a kick ass idea, i think anyone can make money with this, surfer will love it. be good if they got a few credits to start with though to get the trust

Hmmm! Micro Payments sound tto me like small payments!:winkwink:

They do get some credits to start and get used to the system.

Great System! With all the visa and 2257 shit going on the industry really NEEDED something like this. Something positive for a change :thumbsup

all i see is a way to trick surfers into paying $500 plus a month once and not buying porn again for years - like the credit card billing tricks of the past.


a good way for people to burn bookmarks and for someone to make a quick buck but i don't see it as a long term stable income generator for anyone other than the person who owns the base program. why would someone continue to pay for tgp content when soo many others will give it away for free?

i see a lot of people post ways to make a quick buck from tgp traffic - and they usually dont' go anywhere cause the tgp model ISN'T about the quick buck. it's about protecting the surfer and building their trust. too many people DON'T get that part of it.

Sleazy with your understanding of TGP's, you're probably right. Maybe this isn't for TGP's. But with pay per view the buzz - this is a way to be there at no additional cost. Your own business with a way to process. No chargeback fees.

There are so many applications for this billing method that are different. Surfers will ultimately tell us if it's a hit, or a miss.

Bump for the Fantasyman ..

not saying there isn't room for it nor that it won't make money, there is tons of different ways to market porn, just commenting that most major tgps in my humble opinion won't go for it.

.and I'm probably believin ya :)

I'm sure you've had good and bad comments, Ron, I didn't read the whole thread.

As I've said to several people lately, you've got good ideas and great execution on them.

Hell, video's not new, images are not new, the internet's not new. But if you can find yet another model that makes money for your affiliates and your company, that's something good for everyone.

:)

Hi Everyone.

I'm Danny Watkins from PayAsYouClick.com. I'm the founder as many of you know, and one of the directors. We're delighted at the response to the micropayment system - many thanks to Ron and others for their support and assistance during the development, and for helping to bring exposure to what we believe is a pretty awesome system.

We've officially launched as of now. I hope you'll work with us to position this to the benefit of the whole industry.

I'm going to go through the thread and answer any points that haven't been covered. You can contact me directly if you'd prefer.

Finally I should let you know we'll be at booth 1104 at Internext running live demos of the system including how to set up and convert sites. I look forward to meeting many of you.

Best wishes,

Danny

Hi Jimmer,

You were very supportive of the original idea - I always appreciated your feedback. We learnt a lot from the original concept-trial over a year ago, and this system is a VERY different animal as a result - both technically and commercially.

And although I've been on the outskirts of the adult industry since about '98, its only through the involvement of established merchants that we've been able to tune this system to offer the features and flexibility you need.

Thanks again Jimmers for your positive approach.

Best wishes

Danny

PayAsYouClick is designed for multiple purchases of instant web-delivered content. That's why we focused on the single-click payment / delivery rather than the existing shopping-cart model.

And with a maximum price of $2 we're deliberately not competing with other payment systems more suited to tangible product sales.

Regards

Danny

Jayeff - I'd like to answer your post about site lists etc. You mentioned your experience with tokensystems...

You've absolutely hit the nail on the head. If a surfer sees one site that takes micropayments, its not worth his effort to sign up and fund an account just to make a few 1 cent payments.

But when he realises that lots of sites take it, some with pictures at 1 cent, some offering 1 hour memberships for $1, others with quality videos at 40c, that's when he's going to sign up.

The real key lies in the traffic system. Remember you get traffic commission on any sites you link to, so it benefits you to link into a network of other PayAsYouClick sites. Once he arrives at the first one, he'll start following links, and discover more and more sites that take it. That's how we educate him that there are lots of sites to spend money at.

PayAsYouClick includes a list of all participating sites, so surfers can see the wide range of sites available. Our list is only available after he's signed up, because we don't want adult branding on the site. But webmasters can take that list and link extensively to those sites. You can also monitor the performance of each of your links and detect any attempt at cheating.

So the real answer is that you can set up your own list, mixed in with free or paysites as you choose to suit your traffic.

Regards

Danny

very very good idea..

i do have some questions as well as an idea to see if it is possible with your system. will be contacting very shortly! congrats again!

Im gonna try it now

Traffic percentage is the percentage of the click price you will pay to any webmaster that sent the traffic to you. You can set it to zero if you like, but by rewarding traffic sources (BASED ON RESULTS!!) you will attract quality traffic, and show the surfer lots of places to spend money. We add the traffic commission payments to that webmaster's own sales, and pay him on your behalf.

Dynamic Links. You can take an existing free or AVS site and convert it to micropayments in less than an hour. It's mostly just adding "cgi-bin/nph-payasyouclick.cgi?price=2&url=" to the front of your links. You then push a button and we automatically "register" those links, which effectively turns them on. These are static links.

But if you have a big site that generates pages and links on the fly from a database, you can't register your links in advance. This option lets you use an encrypted modified form of link code that doesn't require registration. These are "Dyanamic" links.

Regards


Danny

I think micropayments are definitely one key to substantial future revenue.

But, and I hope I'm wrong, I don't see this system pulling it off.

I see the time investment required on the surfer end too costly, and the risk to already timid webmasters too great. There are downsides to being innovative and revolutionary, as I'm sure FM is fully aware of and prepared for.

FM's first to market offering is well thought out, but I think it will be out played by a competing, budding technology.

It's funny to me that no one seems to have seen it yet...or are taking their sweet time to unveil it.

The surfer pre-funds his account with an amount of his choice, using a payment method of his choice. At the moment his choice is somewhat limited - credit cards with a $10 minimum. But we'll be adding other payment systems including SMS. We're negotiating with a couple of SMS providers - please contact me off-board if you can offer us SMS payments.

By pre-funding the account (ie like an e-wallet) we're then able to do the single-click instant payments. This is a very different prospect to typing a phone number in every time you click another picture.

Without doubt, the pre-funding will be the challenge when selling to surfers. That's why they have to see a shed-load of places to buy from.

Regards,
Danny

worth a try and worth registering 2centporn.com

Definitely worth a try

Danny, I'm glad that you stuck to it. This was great timing for you. I wish I was coming to the show, but hope to meet you sometime in the future.