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Elli 07-20-2004 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by rowan
Don't forget that there are both websites and consumer apps that will automatically archive this sort of cam "show." This may affect your interpretation...
Yeah, I know.I even repost archives of my chats monthly.

rowan 07-20-2004 11:13 PM

Random thought, knock me down if I'm way off base. :)

Elli, you are based in Canada, so technically you're not bound by the USA 2257 law, correct? Unless you actually sell your webcam show images (or let affiliates use them for promotion), there is no need to keep these records - since you'll never have to pass them onto anyone in the USA who is considered a secondary producer...

(Side thought: I wonder how 24/7 voyeur cams fit into this? One continuous video production over an indefinite period?)

Elli 07-20-2004 11:17 PM

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Originally posted by rowan
Random thought, knock me down if I'm way off base. :)

Elli, you are based in Canada, so technically you're not bound by the USA 2257 law, correct? Unless you actually sell your webcam show images (or let affiliates use them for promotion), there is no need to keep these records - since you'll never have to pass them onto anyone in the USA who is considered a secondary producer...

(Side thought: I wonder how 24/7 voyeur cams fit into this? One continuous video production over an indefinite period?)

I am in Canada, but my site is hosted, processed, etc etc and items are shipped from the States. So I am thinking it's better to be compliant than not.

Kimmykim 07-21-2004 01:43 AM

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Originally posted by Elli
If you are keeping all this cross-indexing in a file cabinet, then holy cow man. Why do it the hard way? Keep it all in one database and it'll keep itself in order.
Eh, there is something to be said for having such an overwhelming mass of paperwork as your database that after the first inspector you wouldn't get another inspection until they hired a different inspector.

Digipimp 07-21-2004 01:50 AM

i have a copy of 2257 taped to my penis to make all my ladies feel more confident

Digipimp 07-21-2004 01:56 AM

oh and if it matters, regardless of laws and lawyers and whatever other bullshit. you're about as likely to get convicted on a 2257 violation for pictures of yourself as saddam hussien is at getting set free.

you might get charged on a technicality but no one would ever convict you on a 2257 violation of pics of yourself because it goes against the whole point of the law itself. you know unless you were 18 and maybe they thought some of the pics were when you were 16.

Paul Waters 07-21-2004 03:34 AM

Is it not time to domicile web sites in Canada, so that they are subject to Canadian, and not US, law?

LadyMischief 07-21-2004 05:31 AM

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Originally posted by Paul Waters
Is it not time to domicile web sites in Canada, so that they are subject to Canadian, and not US, law?
The only problem being that many people use US incorporations to assist in getting billing options... This makes many Canadians subject to 2257 that might not otherwise be (say if they hosted only in Canada).

Elli 07-21-2004 08:34 AM

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Originally posted by Digipimp
oh and if it matters, regardless of laws and lawyers and whatever other bullshit. you're about as likely to get convicted on a 2257 violation for pictures of yourself as saddam hussien is at getting set free.

you might get charged on a technicality but no one would ever convict you on a 2257 violation of pics of yourself because it goes against the whole point of the law itself. you know unless you were 18 and maybe they thought some of the pics were when you were 16.

I would love to agree with you, but that is just plain common sense, and the government, I think, is not too keen on common sense.

Digipimp 07-21-2004 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by Elli
I would love to agree with you, but that is just plain common sense, and the government, I think, is not too keen on common sense.
Yes but they would have to bring the case before a jury of real people, who wouldn't be able to convict you on it. No one is going to bring that bullshit charge against you on that unless it's packed in with other violations and they are targetting you on purpose.

Scott McD 07-21-2004 08:37 AM

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Elli 07-21-2004 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by Digipimp
Yes but they would have to bring the case before a jury of real people, who wouldn't be able to convict you on it. No one is going to bring that bullshit charge against you on that unless it's packed in with other violations and they are targetting you on purpose.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there'd be a jury in this case? Either I did the paperwork correctly or I didn't. There's no subjectivity involved that would require a jury. I would most likely be able to plead the sentence down to something reasonable, or to appeal of course. That is, if I get extradited.

Digipimp 07-21-2004 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by Elli
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there'd be a jury in this case? Either I did the paperwork correctly or I didn't. There's no subjectivity involved that would require a jury. I would most likely be able to plead the sentence down to something reasonable, or to appeal of course. That is, if I get extradited.
I think it would depend on the total of the charges as to what exactly they were as to whether or not you would end up in a jury trial, by judge or whatever exactly. I'm not a lawyer but I think it would depend on the charges and if you decided to push it further or plea down.


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