haha truth is hard to escape huh donnavan?

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips
Please don't tell me you think that's freedom of speech. Unless you want me to seriously punch you in the face the next time I meet you.


I would love to see you punch me in the face.....

I THINK CJ EXCORSIED FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

I will be waiting for you to live up to your words now hypocrit!

keep fuckin around and I will post all the story aboout how you do not even own your fucking sites, tyou only get 25% of them to do the content stuff for them!!!

TODD ANDERSON (the known scammer is the backbone behind you) and you have the balls to attempt something like this? what the fuck were you thinkking ?

better lock up your own skeletons first silly boy!!!

Really? Why is that free speech? That is cruel and inhumane treatment of a defensless creature...

Again I ask, Do you concsider Child Porn Free Speech... and if not... why?


Idiot :mad:

Rick, I've never bought any advertising from you, and i didn't like that cat video at all.

After reading this thread, hit me up on icq - i'm interested in trying a little advertising on CJ.

Child porn is something completely different.

animal cruelty happens everyday at slaughter houses across the world.....

what about all the cat the asians eat? do you think the kill them humanly?

what about chicken? ever eat any? did you know someone broke the chickens neck for you to eat it?


what about all the genocide taking place in africa? is that something we should not show people too?


how is child porn different you may ask.... well posting it is against the law.....and it is against the law for a reasonm, to stop the exploitation of children (they are humans in case you get confused here)

animal cruelty to the person that commited the offense is against the law....( and should be dealt with accordingly)

posting it to measure the reactions is not....

that is the difference here.

if child porn was not illegal then I would not be against it being posted either( what now you gonna accuse me of being a pedophile too)

they posted something legal for them to post, this is protected act under the laws of freedom of speech and that is a huge difference!

would I ever vote to make it leggal for cp NO of course not, but if it was legal then no matter how much I despised it, that just means that the majority of people that vote do accept as a protected free speach issue.
then yes I would advocate the right of the person to express themselves and that is what makes us a civilized FREE country that we are so proud of!

the cp argument is a curtain to hide behind, cause no one will want to be accused of supporting cp, and rightly so in my eyes...

I would never condone it and in fact would fight against it, but you asked the difference and how it applied here so I am telling you the difference.

I said I wasn't going to respond to you anymore. Oh well, I guess I will after all.

Do you think you just made some great discovery? I have ALWAYS said my single girl sites are in partnership with TFCash. Hell, those that sign up for DonnysMoney.com are told that they have to sign up seperately for TFCash.com to promote single girl sites. That percentage figure is incorrect, however. 25% is what the models receive. Do you want to know my percentage? Do ya?

The single girl sites are different from my program. I own 100% of DonnysGirls.com / NakedCollegeGirls.tv and AmateurMarket.net (although I give my buddy John Hughes a nice percentage for running AmateurMarket.net for me).

Please tell these people something they don't already know.

Typical Sleazy Dream. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Now CJ has someone to help offset those that have posted their intentions to never advertise there again.

You juststated that animal cruelty is illegal... just as CP is... So... your point?

There is a big difference in killing an animal for food... and killing for pure pleasure. or for kicks.

pay attention!!!!!

I said it is ilegal to post CP....

it is not ilegal to post animal cruelty!

I am an advocate for free speech... once something is deemed not ilegal!!! i.e. posting of animal stuff

then it is a protected measure of the first amendment ( an amendment so strong in defining this counrty that it was #1)

posting cp is not a protected act under the same guise because it is illeagle to post it! understand yet?

now again does this mean I think it should be legal, NO.... but I do not make the laws...

I will however advocate the laws I believe in and the one so important that it was law number one across the land and remains so today!!! IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH

is it freedom of speech to yell hijack on an airplane?
is it freedom of speec to scream fire in a crowded building?
is it freedom of speech to say to someon Kill the president?

NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!

so are these things protected under the first amendment NO...

should they be NO (imho)

why always go right to the cp argument? there are things that are illegal that are not protected by the first amendment that are illegal for a reason....

as of yet no one has made posting a beheading, or a burning cat picture illegal, so until such time that someone does...

then I will protect it as does the law!!!!!!

that is alright I am getting used to your double speak anyway...

yoyu have a behind the sence money man that scams people... plain and simple the semantics of that are not explainable

I believe more webmasters worry about their pocket book than some double speak opinion of yours just to get a reaction HYPOCRIT!

Hmmm and what makes you so frightening that one should even care what list you have or what you think of them? No Xmas cards? Not that I advocate the video, I am a fan of free speech. But I want to know what makes you so damn special that anyone would give a rats ass about this "shit list"? LOL

Seems sort of comical to me.

You seriously need to learn to spell.

Todd Anderson has never scammed a single person. And he's NOT a behind the scenes money man. You should educate yourself before speaking.

Todd originally purchased 40 sets of photos and some video footage of Karma (now with TeenKarma.com). He purchased this content outright. I was paid my normal exclusive-content pricing and Karma was paid the normal day rate that my models are paid ($500 / day).

The problem is, Karma only got to work a few days every other month. In that amount of time I shot plenty of content to update her site for months.

I had a problem with that. I wanted models to start getting paid a "royalty", if you will. VERY FEW PEOPLE have ever done such a thing.

I knew Todd is a good guy and that he'd likely go for it. So I proposed to him that he started cutting Karma in on a percentage of site sales. Todd then proposed that he cut ME in as well. Instead of paying me for exclusive content, why didn't we partner on Karma's site with the stipulation that I'd find him more models for single girl sites and we'd partner up on those as well.

So that's what we did.

Todd is no "money man" behind me. That was Gary Kremen from Sex.com. If you've been on the board very long you'll know that. ATK, Gary Kremen, and Persian Kitty are the people I have to thank for where I'm at today.

7 years ago, ATK got me started and referred me to others. I got to a place where I was selling between $10,000 and $20,000 per month in exclusive content. Then Gary Kremen came along a few years later and infused some cash into my business so that I could launch my own sites. He also gave me the TOP banner spot on sex.com when it was a banner farm (that banner was selling for $50,000 per month at one time). He gave me that free of charge.

Then Persian Kitty gave me some very good listings as well.

The rest is history.

Ok I was trying to avoid this, but feel the need to comment.

Considering that your original beef with Fletch was as you say he fucked up by "taking it to the boards," I find it in extremely bad taste that even weeks later, you are STILL bringing him up in really gossipy ways like this.

Even going as far as editing someone's name out of an icq conversation (if it is even a real conversation) so you can post their comments about Fletch.

Stop singling him out for attention.

You are a drama queen, you love the board gossip and this is obvious. You claim Fletch made a mistake by going to the boards yet again you continue to act extremely immature and unprofessional regarding this issue.

Stop mentioning Fletch and let it die. Your credibility is waning.

The post I quoted from initially didn't even concern Fletch, I edited out the beginning of your post which was about this stupid cat video, so as to illustrate how you keep nitpicking. Please just let it go.

If your "anonymous friend" feels he needs to say something to Fletch, tell him to email fletch @ fletchxxx.com

is this the same upstanding todd anderson you are referring to?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=319620

what does PK, or gary think of you now?

the key question is not what they did for you, but rather would they do it again I think.

Yes, it was a real conversation.

I believe the other person in that conversation mentioned Fletch because he thinks I dislike him (Fletch) and wanted me to know that he won't be doing business with him. I don't dislike Fletch. I think he's a great designer.

But I didn't want to edit my conversation in any way before posting it. Unlike Michael Moore, I don't like creative editing. I like everyone to be able see the entire conversation.

Why don't you simply ICQ the guy in that thread and ask him how it all ended. He was paid.

Todd was on vacation in Europe. He had an autoresponder set up with contact information for emergencies. The auto responder malfunctioned. Todd apologized and made things right.

That is what you should do here, is Apologize to Rick, and try to let things be right.:2 cents:

Okay. But the next time you casually bring Fletch into some other board drama and I see it I will be calling you on it once again as necessary.

And considering you still have Fletch's tour in your portfolio under the ccbill agreement splitting the profit it looks like you are still doing business with a "pro-burner" after all.

Maybe the tour needs to be taken down so your affiliates don't do business with pro-burners either.

Cherry,

I'd gladly take Fletch's tour down, if he wanted me to do that.

After the drama we had here, Fletch said he was glad to see that I DIDN'T remove his tour, since he's getting 25% of all sales it generates. I've given Fletch the stats on that tour, and he sees what his checks are from it. So he can easily figure out what my ROI is on that tour.

Are you saying he wants it taken down?

EDIT TO ADD: I didn't take it down because I made a deal on it with Fletch. I didn't let my emotions about the drama he started influence the deal I had made with him on that tour. You and Fletch can figure out EXACTLY how much I make off that tour by checking your CCBill stats. I'm sure you'll see it's not being left there for the money.

Sure it is... may not be ethical... but "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" covers ALL speech... least it use to.

I see no difference... sorry... just as you cannot post pic of people having sex with animals... there has to be a law somewhere, sorry.... it is JUST PLAIN WRONG.

What I am saying is you look like an idiot making a list of people to not do business with because they laughed at some stupid cat video, yet YOU yourself still do business with a "pro-burner."

Seriously, do you not see your own hypocrisy?

Yeah I don't think he wants to do business with you anymore, even through that tour. I don't think he will care if you take it down to support your stupid board drama cause.

Good luck.

take the tour down and support your cause.

Just for the record: I am not the one that labeled Fletch a "pro burner". I simply posted an ICQ conversation.

ICQ sent.

i do not even have you on icq, i do not have time for this, and i have nothing else to discuss.

if you have concerns email me, I will get to you when i can.

Feel free to take the tour down, hosted galleries.

Do YOU want me to take it down? I'm not asking for PERMISSION to take it down. I'm asking if you WANT me to take it down.

after this thread, I was expecting you to take it down.

You feel the need to bring me into all your little icq drama and CONSTANTLY bring me into this, I want nothing to do with any of that.

I am not demanding you take it down, but if you dont want to look like a hypocrite, especially to your affiliates, that should probably happen.

I'm only taking it down if you email me requesting that I take it down. I will not give anyone the ammunition to claim that I cancelled our agreement. If you email me asking that I take down that tour I will do so. If you don't then I will leave it.

And I'm not talking about an email that says "you can take that down so you don't look like...."

It will specifically say "I am requesting that you remove http://tour1.nakedcollegegirls.tv ..."

Since you're on the CCBill sub account, I might also need to talk to them and see what they need.

Now you know why he makes more money than you and why his business model is working for him.

my :2 cents:
1. the cat thing sucked.
2. the fact that they posted it and made fun of the tittle well like rick said it is the way of the site. it is like posting a big tits gallery on small tits niche YOU JUST DONT DOT IT. HE HAS TO FOLLOW A MODEL SO BE IT. why does he have to change something that works and makes him money?

and to end this participation i have 1 question.

WHO THE FUCK IS PAYING RICK'S BILLS IS ANY OF YOU FUCKS PAYING HIS BILLS?

IT IS NOT LIKE HE IS GOING TO SCHOOLS SAYING COME TO MY SITE AND SEE A CAT BURN FUCK MAN LETS GET BACK TO BUSINESS.

PEACE

Welcome to kindergarten.

pathetic convo

COOL-ANONYMOUS-PERSON - not so cool, bashing other peoples for whatever views they have and covering your assidentity, are you afraid you might loose some business?

DonovanPhillips do you eat meat? did you ever had to kill something before you cook it? or are you thankfull for that someone else kills it for you and you just have to through it on the grill. i bet you don't think about poor pork and its misarable death while consuming it.

this is a good thread, keep it up :thumbsup

Meaning that you're even MORE of a hypocrite....He's either on your shit list or he isn't...and if he IS on your shitlist, then YOU should be willing to take the financial hit and take his tour down...But you won't do that shit because it would cost you money and it further exposes this whole big pile of bullshit where somebody talks but won't do a gotdamn thing when it comes to his own pocket.

Typical.

He didn't ask for an ICQ...He asked for you to take the shit down...

This is fucking pathetic...You said you would take it down if he asked...He just asked and instead of taking the shit down, you send him an icq begging him behind the scenes...

Holy shit this is ridiculous....And this is why I always do what the fuck I want to do when the fuck I want to do it and I don't apologize for shit....That way I don't look like a fucking FOOL when I'm called out to support my own bullshit.

are you also putting people on your shitlist who posted the beheading video?

You missed the story completely.

I WANT to take the tour down. It makes me VERY LITTLE money. It converts at a THIRD of my other tour so it's a waste of traffic.

BUT I made a deal with Fletch. I paid him $500 for that tour plus 25% of the sales that resulted.

See, you missed it by 180 degrees.

The anonymous person in that conversation is a good friend of yours.

would that make it any different for her comment?

Probably. That's how all the idiots on this board work. They react based on WHO is posting instead of on WHAT is being posted.

I could care less who is posting, Ill open my flap regardless. :)

I'd hope Kim would be the same. She seems so from what I know.

Good man! That's what I do too! If if it's Lightspeed, Consumption Junction, or Lensman (I once got two strikes for telling my opinion of something Lensman was doing).

You got a bit overboard though man. You're worse than me, and thats bad!

Hmmm.... maybe so. :1orglaugh

I'm in a particularly agreeable mood since implementing a new company drug policy.

great!!!! now we can forget about fucks putting kitty on fire

Sure!

i cant belive they did such a thing..
i would kill them myself!
stupid ass holes!

cant we do something?
wtf this fun? burn cat?
or anything else?

who are thos people?
how CJ is with them?
whats going on?

I'm not pro cat burning or pro bad taste... but I am for the right to have bad taste.

Paul Cambria - "The people vs Larry Flynt" without the cat but alla pussy.