Google, Yahoo, etc. Image Search and 2257??

[hjnet]

As far as I understood the upcomming 2257 regulations everybody has to keep records about every porn pic they show on their domains. So wouldn't that be almost impossible for all those image search engines out there like google, Yahoo and so on? Or are they on the save side since they hotlink the images and don't host them on their servers?
And what about thumbTGPs?? They would also need to keep records about every preview thumb, even about those which are stored with unreview galleries?!?

[Giorgio_Xo]

Yes, impossible. The government doesn't understand how the internet works.

[Jace]

whatever is hosted on your server is your responsibility.....SO HOTLINKED IMAGES DO NOT COUNT AS BEING ON YOUR SERVER

if you have a tgp and it is all hotlinked images from a sponsor, your fine

but if you have a tgp with images that reside on your server, and you are in the united states, then you need 2257 docs for EVERY model

[johnbosh]

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
Yes, impossible. The government doesn't understand how the internet works.

hmmz pretty stupid

[TheWildcard]

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
Yes, impossible. The government doesn't understand how the internet works.

HAHA

[hjnet]

Originally posted by JaceXXX
whatever is hosted on your server is your responsibility.....SO HOTLINKED IMAGES DO NOT COUNT AS BEING ON YOUR SERVER

if you have a tgp and it is all hotlinked images from a sponsor, your fine

but if you have a tgp with images that reside on your server, and you are in the united states, then you need 2257 docs for EVERY model

So those big image search engines only need to make a few small changes to comply with 2257.

But thumb TGPs are more or less fucked, I don't own one myself, but I can imagine that it wouldn't be good for trade productivity and returning costumers (bookmarks) if every ThumbTGP starts to use sponsor hosted galleries only.

[Basic_man]

good question, need a good discussion now :d

[FightThisPatent]

Originally posted by hjnet
So those big image search engines only need to make a few small changes to comply with 2257.

not really... sites like google serve up the thumbnails and they do have images that are "sexually explicit".

I'll be having a chat with google as soon as i get 2257lookup launched (at internext)



-brandon

[Blue Eyes]

Originally posted by hjnet
So those big image search engines only need to make a few small changes to comply with 2257.

But thumb TGPs are more or less fucked, I don't own one myself, but I can imagine that it wouldn't be good for trade productivity and returning costumers (bookmarks) if every ThumbTGP starts to use sponsor hosted galleries only.

Correct, Big thumb TGP's would be responsible. A document for each image is required the way I see it.

[GBF]

Originally posted by JaceXXX
whatever is hosted on your server is your responsibility.....SO HOTLINKED IMAGES DO NOT COUNT AS BEING ON YOUR SERVER

if you have a tgp and it is all hotlinked images from a sponsor, your fine

but if you have a tgp with images that reside on your server, and you are in the united states, then you need 2257 docs for EVERY model

That's only for Sexually Explicit images...
You can ask submitters to crop image of the face of the actress or something...
That way you play on the safe side.

Cya

[tony286]

Originally posted by FightThisPatent
not really... sites like google serve up the thumbnails and they do have images that are "sexually explicit".

I'll be having a chat with google as soon as i get 2257lookup launched (at internext)



-brandon

For secondary producers 2257lookup offers no real protection. You need models releases and id's not to be able to tell where the pics came from.Also if the feds do come in and say you dont have the records here we are arresting you and they trusted your product would put them in compliance . Will you 2257 lookup be covering their legal bills?

[emthree]

wouldent it be cool if all tgps now had to go softcore/non nude

[tony286]

Originally posted by emthree
wouldent it be cool if all tgps now had to go softcore/non nude

Yes it would but wont happen lol

[Pleasurepays]

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo
Yes, impossible. The government doesn't understand how the internet works.

ironic since Al Gore created it.

[FightThisPatent]

Originally posted by tony404
For secondary producers 2257lookup offers no real protection. You need models releases and id's not to be able to tell where the pics came from.Also if the feds do come in and say you dont have the records here we are arresting you and they trusted your product would put them in compliance . Will you 2257 lookup be covering their legal bills?

2257lookup doesn't provide "protection". It provides for a report that helps with 2257 compliance of first being able to answer the question:

"who is the primary record keeper for this specific image?"

By looking up the filename in the 2257lookup report (assuming its a found match of an image from participating content producers), you will be able to answer the question directly.

This now gets into the new regulation requirements of having documentation.

By knowing which set the image came from, a webmaster could look into the folder and find the images of the model ID for those content producers who do this (most of them do).

So by having the report, you are able to get to the end result of showing the model ID.

The experimental idea is to encrypt the unblackened model ID to protect the model's real name & state they live in, and still have a local copy of the record, only its locked and can be opened up electronically by getting a license.

This can be done in a "reasonable period of time" and therefore could help to ensure the privacy (and safety) of the model, as well as go for full compliance.

Using 2257lookup doesn't automatically make you compliant, it is a tool that solves some major problems of webmasters. By my working with content producers to ensure that webmasters can get the model ID files to be stored locally at their place of business, will go along way to helping webmasters be compliant.


-brandon