dready

What are you doing about the new 2257 laws? It's time to be proactive I think.

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DatingGold

what new law?

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Fizzgig

Still proposed isn't it?
No idea what I'm gonna do about it, I'm in Canada and on a Canadian server so...

*shrugs*

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DatingGold

so you get to go like this to the US

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dready

I'm in Canada too, but deal in the US... server is there too. This will be law in 2 months. I figure it renders 90% of sites illegal... not that they aren't already.

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MasterBlogger

exactly ...
huh?

dready

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Paul90

We have already started removing ANYthing that cannot be tracked back to the license....after 8 years and several office moves..you would be amazed at what gets lost in the mix...

the indigo

I'm not american and the company is european so I don't give a fuck about big brother.

Freedom. I said Freedom.

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dready

The most brutal thing is having to keep a record of every single url an image is used on. This is almost unmanagable...

They are worried about the cost to small business...

"The Department specifically seeks
information from affected producers on the costs of the record-keeping,
indexing, and cross-referencing requirements."

Then they say...

"The Department has determined that these benefits and costs are difficult
to quantify precisely, but that the benefits are significant, the costs
are minimal, and the benefits clearly outweigh the costs."

Hmmmmm

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Fizzgig

I just can't for the life of me imagine this law being passed! Not as is at least, I can't see it.

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yep

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Oh just consider it done. Does not need a vote.

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Giorgio_Xo

This will become a privacy issue. If the end user is required to hold photo ID for all models this will lead to stalkers and sexual attacks against models. What is more important?

This will force everyone offshore where the U.S. will have even less control. The government could be well intentioned but very stupid.

Child porn is a very small part of adult emtertainment. Why is it our Christian military government believes every movie has CP? Fools.

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pussyluver

If Bush wins, life will change.

If you live in Canada and don't think it will affect you *cough*, Executive order 456372-1245 reads that all Federal Laws of the US now apply to Canada as well. j/k, if your host server is here, well you figure it out. Oh, there are FBI offices in Canada to expedite your arrest.

StarkReality

As much as I like Schopenhauer (and your sig ), as much I have to disagree with you. It affects you when you are signed up for any sponsor program based in the US. You may not be sued personally for not having the proper docs stored, but your sponsor can get into serious trouble when you don't comply to the 2257 regulations...which means your affiliate account is probably cancelled.

For everybody running a thumb tgp, this will become a very serious problem...you could prolly fill a warehouse with docs in a year

It's strange how most people don't care about it, you should have watched AlyTV, very good information on all the upcoming troubles !

Rochard

The new 2257 law is gonna be scary. It clearly defines that if you have content on your server you are a "secondary producer" and must have 2257 files on every model. It also states that your 2257 files must include the URL of each image online.

The best part.... If your 2257 files aren't complete you can go to jail - no matter how old the model is. Someone can post a picture of a thirty year old and end up going to jail due to a filing error.

This could also have a huge impact on affiliates and paysites - All of the affiliate content may now require complete 2257 information. Imagine a program with ten thousand affiliates suddenly demanding 2257 info for every picture they ever put on line.

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crockett

well I haven't really read this law as I thought it was just proposed and not a sure thing..

But as far as TGP's go, if they are just linking to galleries could they not bypass the need for this info if the thumbs were softcore or non nude? That and just using text links? as if it's just text links there would be very little content on the server.

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doober

Sounds pretty fucking stupid, how can this shit even be happening? Even worse, how they plan on enforcing this crap?
I doubt they will be able to police every site out there

StarkReality

Ya, the only good thing about it is that (from how I read it) it's not retroactive.

What scares me is that it looks like it was made to target the online porn biz, so they'll probably start a huge anti-porn crusade from day 1...and they got a pretty sharp sword in thier hands

I think so, textlinks should be fine for sure. But what about the gallery submitters ? Does it mean no more submitted galleries, just FHGs to play 100% safe ? That would hurt traffic alot. No more recips, less search engine traffic, less content diversity...on the other hand less free content flying around means better signup rates again long term.

Elli

You should read it.

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It is retroactive IF you shoot with a model again after the new regulation has come into effect. At which point, you must backtrack and make sure all her records are compliant with the new rules.

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its gonna be funny what 2257's stile puts up that ass clown webmaster nice redlight 120 meg videos he posted he doesnt have lisc. for ;)

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Rochard

2257 records are required when displaying "actual sexually explicit conduct". Does that include softcore?

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Elli

"simulated sexual content" is exempt from 2257. Whatever that means.

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tony286

Thats been an argument for a long time.. If there is any way it can be seen as sexual you have to have it . I spoke to my lawyer this 2257 will change the whole sponsor section of our business as we know it. He also said they will probably target teen looking sites first, yes they can get you for not having 2257 for a 30 yr old woman but they still have to go to a jury where chances of winning can be weaker. They going to want to pick targets they can win on. .They dont care about model welfare they care about making arrests that look good before the election. With having to spread model releases around I think everything is going to become more in house. Also unless your company is in another country you just cant put a server in another country. The good news he did say its probably going to go to court very early for clarification.

The reason the christain right gets there agenda pushed when they are a minority is they know how to organize. After copa they were bashing us in every paper in the planet and we had no voice. One editorial said we are are always looking for new markets and we want to get kids hooked on porn at a early age. Is that fucked up or what.

dready

It is true that TGP sites could get by with softcore only.... if you make a statement on your site...


"Any producer of any book, magazine, periodical, film,
videotape, computer-generated image, digital image, picture, or other
matter may cause to be affixed to every copy of the matter a statement
attesting that the matter is not covered by the record-keeping
requirements of 18 U.S.C. 2257(a)-(c) and of this part if:
(1) The matter contains only visual depictions of actual sexually
explicit conduct made before November 1, 1990, or is produced,
manufactured, published, duplicated, reproduced, or reissued before May
26, 1992;
(2) The matter contains only visual depictions of simulated
sexually explicit conduct; or,
(3) The matter contains only some combination of the visual
depictions described in paragraphs (a)(1) and (a)(2) of this section."

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Fabuleux

Would changing thumbs in portrait pictures be sufficient?

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dready

You mean thumbs with face only? I think that and a statement would suffice... I think you could get away with full body nude so long as her legs aren't spread.

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Tom_PMs

Just censor all the pics, and stick to grannies to be on the safe side

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dready

Here's a little plug for Brandon over at 2257lookup.com.... they are develping a system that for a reasonable fee can index your entire network and give a report of all urls cross refereneced with the proper 2257 docs for every single pic on your network.

http://www.2257lookup.com/

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Fabuleux

Wow, that looks very impressive.

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crockett

well if it ment only softcore and text links on free sites, I wouldn't see this as a overly bad thing. But of course it will mean more than that, but canm someone confirm if this is indeed "going' to be the law or is it just "proposed" ?

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wyldblyss

Well I just read it, and now I have a headache. I am no lawyer and it is times like this I wish I was.

From what I gather (and I'm probably wrong) it appears that websites would be considered secondary producers and as such would only need to obtain copies of the records from the producer and have the producers name and address and the homepage URL must have the required statement (of where the records are located).

For websites, that doesn't sound like too much of a big deal which leads me to believe I am missing something. Now if they mean nameofpornsite.com must have on the front page a statement pertaining to each and every girl on the site that is going to be one long ass page. Now if they mean something like what sponsors currently have such as a 2257 link and that link leads to a list of producers then it will be a breeze.

Damn, why can't they just show visual examples of everything so us legal-jargon impaired people would know what in the hell they are talking about?

LadyMischief

The sky is falling! It's still PROPOSED as far as I'm aware. Worth keeping an eye on, but not worth running on the bank just yet.

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Rochard

The only thing you can do is make sure you have all of your ducks neatly in a row...... Make sure you don't have a model release form for every model, with ID, and have your files point directly to the URL where that picture is.

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dready

I think it means you just have to make the 2257 statement on your site... but your records have to keep all the docs for every girl including a cross reference with every stage name she uses and a list of every single URL on your sites where the content can be found.

What Roc said ^^^^^

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Fabuleux

I cropped a sample picture to a 88x88 thumbnail and it worked perfectly.

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tony286

Those arent proposed . For the next 60 days, its open to community input but this is very real. Sponsors will have to give full records , that means full model releases and ids to affiliates if they giving them hardcore pics to promote. Even with Bradon's site you still have to give people full model releases and id''s if they are using your images.

LadyMischief

I'm fully aware of the implications, however I'm not sure I see when this actually became law?

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Rochard

It's not a law yet - it's proposed.

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Rochard

Never gonna happen. You think I'm gonna give out Tawnee Stone's real name and home address?

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tony286

I think you meant do and your very right. The people I worry for are the amatuers who follow none of this , running a porn site out of their house. They have no 2257 on their site or no address for records or when they come to the house to check it out and there are kids there. It will get ugly. I say if they really enforce this , 30 % of herd will be gone by next year. Most will leave because of fear after a few arrests.

BrettJ

well... here's our chance to say something.

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tony286

Then you will have to change your business model and bring marketing all in house. Your affiliates start going to jail , you will lose them all anyway. There isnt a thats not fair defense in court.

dready

Word

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crockett

exactly, that's what I said at the start of all this and why I haven't kept up with it. If this law worked the way everyone is saying it will.. It's nothing but a serious invasion of privacy to the models. There is no way in hell it could stand up in a court of law if a model or content producer took it on.

They can't make a content provider hand over a models personal information to anyone that asks.

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Tom_PMs

The kicker to the whole proposed record-keeping changes is that they never check on records NOW with the old requirements.

Does anyone know of a case where theres been an inspection of records? If so, was it a content producers studio?

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tony286

They dont care about models ,they are protecting children. Also they can say if you dont carefully filter who you do business with thats your problem. Your fear that you trust no one backs up what they say anyway. That we are all slime . lol

contentjunky

Not only is the Government gonna look at you and ask you for model releases and IDs. Consider this straight from the horses mouth. Ive sat in on many meetings within the adult studio industry (CHATSWORTH, CA) over the last 60 days or so. If you don't have a license for adult studios dvd content, clips, pictures, thumbs, whatever, they are going to start cracking down on internet content fraud and starting filing suit against the web community. So get your licenses and model IDs ready. If your operating within the law and have all your proper paperwork together like many do you have nothing to worry about. Just letting you know they are taking this very seriously now. Talk to you soon.

Tim

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dready

I think it would be iffy... invasion of privacy yes.. but they are only asking you to keep name and age.

"The legal name and date of birth of each performer, obtained by the producer's examination of an identification document"

It would likely be safe to black out any other personal info.

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