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V_RocKs · 07-15-2004, 10:57 PM

I clicked on a banner flying above and saw a pretty slick webmaster program with a payment option of fethard.biz. Upon googling for it and looking into the matter it appears that fethard.biz either has someone plotting against it or is bullshit.

But what about the original company, the sponsor, well does the apple fall far from the tree? If I give them my wire info will I get everything sucked out of my account? Does GFY even look into this shit?

Anyway here are the details:

Sponsor:

http://www.etu-cash.com/

Bank it gives as a way to get paid:

http://www.fethard.biz/

Press:

This one is a virus/trojan that tries to link back to fethard.biz with your stolen CC info.

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache...ard+bank&hl=en

Quote:

Attempts to connect and update itself from one of the following HTTP servers:

adult-empire.com
asechka.ru
citi-bank.ru
color-bank.ru
crutop.nu
cvv.ru
fethard.biz
filesearch.ru
kavkaz.tv
kidos-bank.ru
konfiskat.org
master-x.com
mazafaka.ru
parex-bank.ru
roboxchange.com
www.redline.ru
xware.cjb.net

This means the backdoor lives on their server and gets its updates from them!

Or am I just paranoid?

stevecore · 07-15-2004, 11:04 PM

.ru means .run

Theo · 07-15-2004, 11:12 PM

i know the owner of etu-cash.com and he is a stand up guy. I'm sure he's not related with it. I'll let him know about this thread.

Theo · 07-15-2004, 11:22 PM

now i see, that's a trojan targetting the money system. There are similar ones for most popular money systems. For example some of the trojans that target paypal are:
W32.Mimail.I@mm
W32.Mimail.P@mm
W32.Mimail.J@mm
Keylogger.Stawin
W32.Gaobot.WO
and so on.

Also, correct me if i'm wrong but with they payout info alone, nobody can take money from your account.

johnbosh · 07-15-2004, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevecore
.ru means .run

haha almost:D

V_RocKs · 07-15-2004, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
now i see, that's a trojan targetting the money system. There are similar ones for most popular money systems. For example some of the trojans that target paypal are:
W32.Mimail.I@mm
W32.Mimail.P@mm
W32.Mimail.J@mm
Keylogger.Stawin
W32.Gaobot.WO
and so on.

Also, correct me if i'm wrong but with they payout info alone, nobody can take money from your account.

Well, "With only the payout info no one can steal my money," was your question?

Fact: 3 out of 5 webmasters use the same login to their paypal as their affiliate password (if the program has both, you'd better trust the program).

Could be that people just don't like that bank for whatever reason or needed a flashy name but bofa and wellsfargo were taken so they chose that one. Who knows. But it would be nice for ETU cash to give us their take on things.

Manowar · 07-15-2004, 11:45 PM

Read, and be worried

http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/..._companies.htm

KDizzla · 07-15-2004, 11:48 PM

uh, oh.

V_RocKs · 07-15-2004, 11:58 PM

Ohh, and they have nice sites. I am hoping I am wrong.

pxxx · 07-16-2004, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevecore
.ru means .run

HarlotCash Dyker · 07-16-2004, 01:03 AM

I sent some traffic to a site called stereonylons back last year - Unfortunately, their option at the time for payment was through this fetard bank.
After a few days, I had something like 150 in the account - I asked them to transfer this cash - The stats showed the cash as sent -
18 months ago this happened, and still I haven't got this cash - I emeiled a couple of times, but never got an answer - So gave up on them and will no longer use any site conected to them.

This, of course could have been a genuine mistake - But by ignoring my emails, I think not...

V_RocKs · 07-16-2004, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HarlotCash Dyker
I sent some traffic to a site called stereonylons back last year - Unfortunately, their option at the time for payment was through this fetard bank.
After a few days, I had something like 150 in the account - I asked them to transfer this cash - The stats showed the cash as sent -
18 months ago this happened, and still I haven't got this cash - I emeiled a couple of times, but never got an answer - So gave up on them and will no longer use any site conected to them.

This, of course could have been a genuine mistake - But by ignoring my emails, I think not...

I googled fethard.biz and came up with countless stories like your own. Looks like this sponsor will have to learn how to send out checks or get a fucking epassporte account.

DarkJedi · 07-16-2004, 02:33 AM

Fethard is a solid company.

Serge Litehead · 07-16-2004, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
now i see, that's a trojan targetting the money system. There are similar ones for most popular money systems. For example some of the trojans that target paypal are:
W32.Mimail.I@mm
W32.Mimail.P@mm
W32.Mimail.J@mm
Keylogger.Stawin
W32.Gaobot.WO
and so on.

if you got more names that can be added to this list, please let me know.

DarkJedi · 07-16-2004, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by V_RocKs
I googled fethard.biz and came up with countless stories like your own. Looks like this sponsor will have to learn how to send out checks or get a fucking epassporte account.

i can google you countless stories about Pay Pal being cheats.
yet half of internet uses them.

RED&P RedEye · 07-16-2004, 03:56 AM

V_Rocks, I'm RedEye and I run ETU-CASH.COM.

ETU-CASH.COM opened up only two days ago and it's banners have been uploaded to the major webmaster resources only yesterday evening. And then I went sleeping. I didnt even have time to post an announcement here and on other boards , that I hope to do today.
:D

ETU-CASH.COM is owned and operated by RED & Partners Group, RED & Partners B.V. Amsterdam, The Netherlands.
We co-run as well Fethard.biz and StandardPay.com and a few other projects including www.crutop.nu, Russia's largest adult webmaster board with over 9000 webmasters registered and one of the largest adult webmasters boards in the world (smaller than GFY of course

) which pretty much makes it impossible for us to cheat since we're constantly on public.

As for Fethard.biz for webmaster payouts we choose our own solution naturally.

Fethard is said to be number 1 solution like E-Passporte in Russia, in Eastern Europe and in some places in Europe (a lot of Dutch and Danish webmasters use it). Thousands of webmasters use Fethard daily. I guess all of third party billers must know quite well about it because they have been paying there for years.

Now about this virus stuff. Unfortunately this is the trouble which constantly happens to all e-cash systems out there: hackers.
I can not go in depth with explanations because in relation to these viruses there are quite a few international authorities investigations going on right now including Microsoft international involvement.

It all started with download_ject, a virus reported worldwide which steals Paypal and EGold I think accounts which imitates connections for instructions receiving to 20-30 most known Russian websites including some of most known offline banks in Russia. This is probably done to mislead the investigation. Now newer versions of download_ject viruses or imiatations do the same.

Check out Yourself the list which was posted here .

As for this page:
http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/..._companies.htm

it contains a mistake and the story behind it goes back a year or year and a half ago.

The correct English Fraud Squad listed URL is FetharT.biz (!!!! not FetharD.biz as true URL).

http://www.fraudwatchinternational.c...fake_banks.htm

What happened is that a year and a half ago we were aslo victims like Paypal and E-Gold in hackers attempts to steal passwords to our accounts through emails which looked like they come from us, You know like "Verify Your password right now!" which linked to exact copies of our website on domains which looked similar to ours, like FetharT or FeDharD or alike.

As for the idea if someone plots against us, it is not so, as far as we know. Simply Fethard is very known in Russia, Eastern Europe and in Europe, a lot of webmasters use it and naturally there are a lot of hack attempts, fraud attempts and so on as with any other system.

V_Rocks, being paranoid is ok when it comes to YOUR money. :D
So if still in doubt You can always contact me at ICQ: 43432801.

As for ETU-CASH I will make an announcement today. And Yes You Are Right - it IS beautifull...
:D

to HarlotCash Dyker:
90% of all posts in relation to Fethard on all boards where webmasters use it are about it's customer service. We have done a GREAT deal to make it better, we now have online tickets, telephone voice support and other goodies. And still it is not good enough because system is huge and we're working on improving it all the time. You can simply contact me, we'll recover Your funds very fast. For 6 years of operations Fethard has not lost a single penny of it's clients. Just contact us and we'll solve it asap.

Gunni · 07-16-2004, 04:02 AM

I use fethard and have nothing but good things to say so far (although I am still waiting for new cards to be issued...).
I did a western union transfer the other day from the account and it all went through smoothly.

XX_RydeR · 07-16-2004, 04:14 AM

Im a really big user of Fethard, It's used for most of my banking and all of my webmaster use it aswell..

They did have a few little hickups, but I cant say anything but good things about Fethard.biz or any other Operation that RED & Partners Group run or take part in..

I cetainly cant wait to get in on the ETU-Cash.com action

theres some really great new idea's/sites there, and i know it is going to be good if these guys are running it..

thats my

Rydz..

07-16-2004, 04:14 AM

I know RedEye and he is a standup guy, should be no problems there

Fethard.biz has been online for ages and is one of the pioneers in webmaster payments, they are good people from what I know!

Theo · 07-16-2004, 04:19 AM

I've never recommended anyone here or another board which I'm not confident he runs a legit, solid operation that can benefit others. Redeye and his crew are on top of the things and if you can pickup his mind and knowledge you'll see that.

Redeye, looking forward to send traffic over there

fedfest · 07-16-2004, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevecore
.ru means .run

Still.. I have been cheated by more US affiliate programs than Russian programs..

hova · 07-16-2004, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevecore
.ru means .run

Konda · 07-16-2004, 11:02 AM

Fethard is a solid company and Red-Eye is a great guy.
I have met him in person a few years ago in Amsterdam and have done business with him and his companies.
I have used fethard to receive and sent money (over 20,000 a month), and never had any problems.

07-15-2004, 11:48 PM	#8
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07-16-2004, 01:03 AM	#11
HarlotCash Dyker Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: At a whorehouse near you Posts: 1,828	I sent some traffic to a site called stereonylons back last year - Unfortunately, their option at the time for payment was through this fetard bank. After a few days, I had something like 150 in the account - I asked them to transfer this cash - The stats showed the cash as sent - 18 months ago this happened, and still I haven't got this cash - I emeiled a couple of times, but never got an answer - So gave up on them and will no longer use any site conected to them. This, of course could have been a genuine mistake - But by ignoring my emails, I think not... __________________ !!!Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash!!!

07-16-2004, 03:56 AM	#16
RED&P RedEye Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 38	V_Rocks, I'm RedEye and I run ETU-CASH.COM. ETU-CASH.COM opened up only two days ago and it's banners have been uploaded to the major webmaster resources only yesterday evening. And then I went sleeping. I didnt even have time to post an announcement here and on other boards , that I hope to do today. :D ETU-CASH.COM is owned and operated by RED & Partners Group, RED & Partners B.V. Amsterdam, The Netherlands. We co-run as well Fethard.biz and StandardPay.com and a few other projects including www.crutop.nu, Russia's largest adult webmaster board with over 9000 webmasters registered and one of the largest adult webmasters boards in the world (smaller than GFY of course ) which pretty much makes it impossible for us to cheat since we're constantly on public. As for Fethard.biz for webmaster payouts we choose our own solution naturally. Fethard is said to be number 1 solution like E-Passporte in Russia, in Eastern Europe and in some places in Europe (a lot of Dutch and Danish webmasters use it). Thousands of webmasters use Fethard daily. I guess all of third party billers must know quite well about it because they have been paying there for years. Now about this virus stuff. Unfortunately this is the trouble which constantly happens to all e-cash systems out there: hackers. I can not go in depth with explanations because in relation to these viruses there are quite a few international authorities investigations going on right now including Microsoft international involvement. It all started with download_ject, a virus reported worldwide which steals Paypal and EGold I think accounts which imitates connections for instructions receiving to 20-30 most known Russian websites including some of most known offline banks in Russia. This is probably done to mislead the investigation. Now newer versions of download_ject viruses or imiatations do the same. Check out Yourself the list which was posted here . As for this page: http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/..._companies.htm it contains a mistake and the story behind it goes back a year or year and a half ago. The correct English Fraud Squad listed URL is FetharT.biz (!!!! not FetharD.biz as true URL). http://www.fraudwatchinternational.c...fake_banks.htm What happened is that a year and a half ago we were aslo victims like Paypal and E-Gold in hackers attempts to steal passwords to our accounts through emails which looked like they come from us, You know like "Verify Your password right now!" which linked to exact copies of our website on domains which looked similar to ours, like FetharT or FeDharD or alike. As for the idea if someone plots against us, it is not so, as far as we know. Simply Fethard is very known in Russia, Eastern Europe and in Europe, a lot of webmasters use it and naturally there are a lot of hack attempts, fraud attempts and so on as with any other system. V_Rocks, being paranoid is ok when it comes to YOUR money. :D So if still in doubt You can always contact me at ICQ: 43432801. As for ETU-CASH I will make an announcement today. And Yes You Are Right - it IS beautifull... :D to HarlotCash Dyker: 90% of all posts in relation to Fethard on all boards where webmasters use it are about it's customer service. We have done a GREAT deal to make it better, we now have online tickets, telephone voice support and other goodies. And still it is not good enough because system is huge and we're working on improving it all the time. You can simply contact me, we'll recover Your funds very fast. For 6 years of operations Fethard has not lost a single penny of it's clients. Just contact us and we'll solve it asap. __________________ www.re-partners.biz

07-16-2004, 04:14 AM	#18
XX_RydeR Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Australia. Posts: 2,151	Im a really big user of Fethard, It's used for most of my banking and all of my webmaster use it aswell.. They did have a few little hickups, but I cant say anything but good things about Fethard.biz or any other Operation that RED & Partners Group run or take part in.. I cetainly cant wait to get in on the ETU-Cash.com action theres some really great new idea's/sites there, and i know it is going to be good if these guys are running it.. thats my Rydz.. __________________ You Dun Goofed!

07-15-2004, 11:04 PM	#2
stevecore Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,130	.ru means .run

07-15-2004, 11:12 PM	#3
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	i know the owner of etu-cash.com and he is a stand up guy. I'm sure he's not related with it. I'll let him know about this thread.

07-15-2004, 11:22 PM	#4
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	now i see, that's a trojan targetting the money system. There are similar ones for most popular money systems. For example some of the trojans that target paypal are: W32.Mimail.I@mm W32.Mimail.P@mm W32.Mimail.J@mm Keylogger.Stawin W32.Gaobot.WO and so on. Also, correct me if i'm wrong but with they payout info alone, nobody can take money from your account.

07-15-2004, 11:45 PM	#7
Manowar jellyfish Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 71,528	Read, and be worried http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/..._companies.htm

07-15-2004, 11:58 PM	#9
V_RocKs Damn Right I Kiss Ass! Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Cowtown, USA Posts: 32,422	Ohh, and they have nice sites. I am hoping I am wrong.

07-16-2004, 02:33 AM	#13
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	Fethard is a solid company.

07-16-2004, 04:02 AM	#17
Gunni Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Barcelona Posts: 2,385	I use fethard and have nothing but good things to say so far (although I am still waiting for new cards to be issued...). I did a western union transfer the other day from the account and it all went through smoothly.

07-16-2004, 04:14 AM	#19
MassiveDollars - DonPaul Guest Posts: n/a	I know RedEye and he is a standup guy, should be no problems there Fethard.biz has been online for ages and is one of the pioneers in webmaster payments, they are good people from what I know!

07-16-2004, 04:19 AM	#20
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	I've never recommended anyone here or another board which I'm not confident he runs a legit, solid operation that can benefit others. Redeye and his crew are on top of the things and if you can pickup his mind and knowledge you'll see that. Redeye, looking forward to send traffic over there

07-16-2004, 11:02 AM	#23
Konda ... Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,280	Fethard is a solid company and Red-Eye is a great guy. I have met him in person a few years ago in Amsterdam and have done business with him and his companies. I have used fethard to receive and sent money (over 20,000 a month), and never had any problems.