Just like they all jumped in against Acacia, huh?

Well that was my ray of sunshine for the day.

Or not.

You should have always done that to begin with.
Why would you want to subject yourself the the bullshit and scrutiny of being open with the US gov anyway?

its just more headaches then its worth and being a canadian you should take full advantage of it.

:2 cents:

You know, you do have a point there. :arcadefre

I really doubt this will become law as it has been posted here on the board.
If it does the Russians and others are going to love it.

America is just a small part of the internet.
This idiot law will have little or no effect on what goes on.


Bottom line, nowhere in this law (2257) has it ever stated that producer and model must stay in contact "forever".
You say she is 12, I say she is 29.
Prove it.
Records or not, you would have to go find that model and prove how old she really is today then count back to when the pics were taken. fat chance of that ever happening if you don't know where they live today, if even still alive.

this law started because of a phoney ID and it will end end because of one.

Records and ID's are easy to forge.
Whole thing don't mean shit.

the real funny part is that they are saying this to people who use PhotoShop every day for a living.
What a pisser!

Yeah right, tell me it never happened.

You know anyone ever convicted on 2257 problems?

All these proposed laws will end up doing is pushing more US webmasters to host outside the US, process outside the US, get their content from outside the US, not pay taxes to the US (well way less), etc....

Anyhow this shouldn't affect Dating I suppose, as the people uploading pics aren't models paid by the site, they are regulkar people using the site. Go dating :thumbsup

loads of bloody work again...

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

:thumbsup

So everyone write in and bitch. Remind Asshat of the paper reduction act. Of course, I'd hate to say anything, I think that might invite trouble??

Fizz, US laws apply to you and Dag too. That's why there is an FBI office in Canada.

Who said the US doesn't control the Internet? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we have all but two root name server located here and we control name service. No DNS, no Internet!

Thanks for the all the info Elli!

Oh, the control of name service could be a means of censorship. Just waiting for the day, the US starts banning sites at the name server level. Actually, I think they are doing this now?

50 Porn file clerks

If you live outside the USA but make your living doing adult internet, these proposed 2257 changes also affect you. One only has to look at the way the Feds approached online gaming to see how. First the Feds could always seek to indict those expats who just move their business elsewhere. An actual indictment might not be the method, it may be something as simple as putting your name on a detainment list for INS, making reentry to the USA difficult.

Secondly the Feds could chase the money and not the website. IBILL/CCBILL/PAYCOM/JETTIS are all USA based companies. The Feds could squeeze down on them so hard that the billers will not accept traffic from secondary producers unless 2257 ids are in order. I can already see the Feds making inquiries to the billers with key words like "RICO and CONSPIRACY and MONEY LAUNDERING and PATRIOT ACT" to shrivel the nut sack of the biller's legal dept. If passed as proposed, these 2257 changes will affect non USA based webmasters, you can bet on it.

Hosted galleries & plug ins will become more popular. Site owners will also need to learn to rely less on affiliates

2257 Does not apply to non explicit content (as asked above)

Internet models can kiss their personal privacy & safety goodbye

It's simply not possible to apply today's rules to content shot back as far as 1990.

and oh yeah..... Viva la Canada

The future is looking more like

non-USA hosting

non-USA processing

non-USA content

If Bush wins, we're in for some real hell! First term was the warm-up. Face it, Channey isn't gonna run for president in 2008. So it will be balls out to accomplish all of his pet projects.

There will be a down side to Kerry too, we just don't know what it is for sure yet.

Clearly bad for the US economy!!!

Maybe P1mpdog could give the Pres a call??

None of that will save you if you are a US resident :2 cents:

Non-US incorporation might help though

not everyone in the porn industry is a USA resident or a USA citizen

To add to the non-American hosting/billing/whatever move, what about people geo-targeting American traffic to softcore galleries only? Would it be possible or even make sense? That way the feds working in America (of course) would not be as likely to see your harder tgp galleries or whatever the heck you post.

non? I could be way off base here. I don't know much about targeting.

Bad laws need to be broken. Seriously.. I can't see anyone who even works at it being in full compliance. :2 cents:

2257 & The Markham Order. Confused? Worried? Not sure what to do? We're gonna speak with Brandon from fightthepatent.com and 2257lookup.com AND Hammer from The Porn Professors is gonna stop by.

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their isn't going to be any "low hanging fruit" for Acacia to pluck.
All the record keeping will force the little guy out.
Acacia is out of biz and out of luck on this one.

all that will be left is a couple of the biggies who can pay for the extra over head.

porn is going to get very expensive.