Dude, you're stickin' 'em in the ass with that! I'm sick of seeing girls getting ripped off by greedy webmasters!

That's the first thing i've read from PerfectionGirls that was worth reading :).


While Brett and Tim may not be straight in the biblical sense, they certainly are when it comes to business. You were a gamble like all the other girls they invested time into, you happened to be CONTENT that paid off, plain and simple.

Such is business. If you would have tried on your own, more than likely you would have failed. If you try on your own now, without backing, then you will more than likely fail. If you are backed by someone, have no doubt they are looking to make $$ off you.... not make you rich, so don't be naive twice.

I fuckin hate it when the help gets lippy.

Six years huh?

What's your program?

I find it strange that after 6 years I have never seen your name ot the TGP listed in your sig.

Maybe you are one of the silent giants. :thumbsup

I know it feels that way when your in the process, but believe me you will get several offers once you get your discharge. Typically in the 10% -15% range. Most people going into bankruptcy that have credit cards have been penalized by the credit card companies for late payments or simply a bad debt to income ratio and are paying the penalty rate of 23%-30% by the time they file.

20% of gross is higher than MANY major adult paysites net......

Well that is the other legal argument I was going to bring up. The first thing a court would look at is it so restrictive that it keeps her from working and earning a living in her profession? If so it would be invalided.

I read the thread and I'm not entirely clear on something.

She's making $250 a month?

or

She was making $250 a month?

in any event, she would have made more as a board whore

I am huh?

How do you know how much I am paying them? I currently pay 2.5 times the local market price.

For all you know I am paying 10 grand per day for solo softcore shit.

When you have facts to back up your statements...Feel free to return and post them here.

there are quite a few silent giants

I know u've just beeen fucked girl, but u look hot, Ill fuck u 2! J/K



GOOD LUCK IN WHATEVER UR DOING! U look goood stilll!!!!

Okay let's take a look, how many people send webmasters to someone elses program in a sig?

Are they not successful too?

True enough...But with the mentality that he is displaying...You can bet your ass he is far fro one of them.

it's discharged...its been 7 years. the first year you can just forget getting a credit card, theres no reason to jump right back into debt. thats just stupidity.

Wonder if Tawnee Stone is a millionaire by now...

In the grand scheme of things.......


No.


Although there is an exception to every rule.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Not even remotely close.

I don't know about about being a giant, but I do well enough. Just because you haven't heard of me doesn't mean I can't be successful. I run web sites for two well known big boob dancers/pornstars (as well as some other things). They each have a loyal fan base!

Very few. A couple who make a living that doesn't involve running paysites who sell their sigs or give it up to friends.

On the whole, no. Sig whores can be ignored or abused or used at will, you're a cheap labor pool ;)

Well I agree you shouldn?t and that is smart, but I can tell you I have seen the offers people get and now days they get tons of them. They also typically get all kinds of offers for pre-approved auto financing. The subprime auto lending market is very big. The credit card companies think fresh bankrupts are good business because they can?t file agin for another 5 years, and if they have a job they have plenty income to service debt.

you have no clue.

Unbelievable. 3 pages of posts and no pics.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

On a serious note just cause someone has a good rep doesn't preclude them from doing tricky things in this industry.

Bullshit. Your small level of success may be good for you personally but in this business...If you were successful then we would all be very aware of who you are.

Keeping a pay site or TGP running for 6 years and earning 3 or 4 grand a month is FAR from successful.

There are people who post on this board who make 10 to 20k per month and they do not consider themselves successful at this point....And neither do those who have half a clue about the potential of this industry.

oh well then, enlighten me.

At least you're whoring for a good program :1orglaugh

Dude.. ok I hate to call you an idiot, but man. The math does not add up!

Avarage solo site... a ver good one does 30-40k a year. Trust me... I know these things.

Server cost is a least 8k a year.

Marketing, traffic, site design, hosted galleries (BW), 50% revshare to your affilaites then 60% to your models? How? It is not possible.

I appriciate your wanting to be the "knight in shining armor" here, but your business model does not hold ground.

It does not matter if you do 10k a year in sales or 200k a year. Your finanical model does not support paying your models that percentage.

10% of gross is standard. Some pay more, but the standard is 10%... maybe 20% for a hot selling site. I know the hot selling sites and I have never seen one of yours.

Please help me here..

Actually, He's right on the money.

Not sure if my opinion counts or not but I do still have the highest paid ongoing sig around here....By far.

I have NicheWealth in my sig because thats my #1 sponsor and I have a good relationship with the owner. How many people actually signup from my sig and make me money? Not one in the few months it's been on there. I could care less what's in my sig.

i was talking about him calling cosis a sigwhore. some people just dont make their business public.

Maybe... but out of curiosity.. How much profits do you think steve made with that site.. ? anywhere from 2 to 4 millions..? x 20% (possible model fee)..

The cutest girls should really try to learn about the biz before signing with anyone... Once they know the biz.. they can hire a designer/adviser/manager.. and someone to promote to site... And once it starts.. if the girl is of the caliber of Tawnee, Nextdoor-Nikki , Katesplaygound.. webmasters will take over real soon and saturate the internet with her.. For the "fairly" good looking/average girls.. then being pushed by a big program will help...
:2 cents:

How does this contradict what I said? You have a little bit of traffic, you make a little money with it and try to make a little bit more with your sig. If you had anything of your own going on you'd have it in your sig instead of nichewealth, no?

I don't even know why I'm starting this conversation :1orglaugh

99% of people who 'keep their business private' have no business.

yeah because that just as easy as taking their clothes off in front of a camera. theres a reason most models dont run and market their own websites.

Tim is one smart mofo. I like this guy a lot. Late night chats to prove it and dry humping too.

Dormbucks is A-okay in my books despite what a cheap model has to say. They are worth 40x what your word is. :2 cents:

Gotcha.

Hell if I know. I have been privy to some of those numbers is the distant past but things have greatly changed since then and I am not at liberty to discuss such things anyway.

It does not matter if Steve made 200 grand or 200 million off that site. The model is paid for the job...And WELL paid at that. In fact...IMHO, too well paid. Steve takes very good care of his models without paying them millions.

the reason is because they dont know shit about this biz... The internet adult biz isnt very complicated... a model that can read can figure it out after a while.. :2 cents:

But the girls get fed lines of bullshit by these program owners sometimes and see the big money promises and sign right away. I've seen it at least once, and it could have happened again had we not gotten some sound advice from people who were not affiliated with either of these two parties.

Not saying this is the case with DB, just some of the program owners out there.

dream on. none of these girls are capable of doing it on their own. Pretty 18 year old girls aren't gonna spend 16 hour days inside at a computer for months on end to get themselves into a position to go it alone. it's not that they're all not smart enough - just young and not ready to give up their lives to be a smutmaster.

Thats an interesting thought but us webmasters... including Steve had no idea on how big a site will get. Its a crap shoot with solo sites. Steve had no idea how big Tawnee would get. Its timing and the right situation at the right time. Its like the moons have to align and god needs to be happy that day. Its impossible to prodict.

Also, these girls dont have a clue on what it takes to run a site. Half of them cant find there way to the mall on there own. No 18 year old girl, the like you mentioned above have the knowledge to pull what you mentioned off. Not in this teen amateur niche.. no way. They may be smart girls, but not ready to sit their life away infront of a computer and commiting to the time.

And where do these bright eyed bushy tailed models come up with the start up money? to hire this designer? Photographer, webmaster, financial planner, not to mention the money for hosting, processing charges and anything else I left out??? and most of these charges are MONTHLY charges.

shit a girl would be lucky to make enough money to pay her rent after that type of financial output. And this assumes that enough webmasters take a shine to her and promote her strong enough to get her site off the ground......Then factor in the surfer who must purchase the membership...

sound like a financial risk yet?

How long before she will see her first profit?? no one can answer that, but in the meantime she is broke as hell and unhappy.

Yeah, that's a job for us ugly 18 year old boys.

I know one. :winkwink:

But really you are right Mutt. There are a lot of girls out there who could earn big and/or better money if they applied themselves and did most of the work themselves. I am talking about gallery building, submitting, buying there own spots, etc. Unfortunately they just don't care enough and think there face and the prog. owners money will lead the way for them.

it's the getting traffic to your site part that can be difficult.

As with all tales, there is more to the story than is present.
But the first page of mandy's replies REAKED of bullshit. So good luck DormBucks... got your hands full with this selfish little girl. :)

I think we are having a problem with the definition of the word 'successful'. Apparently, it means something different to you. I'm perfectly happy with what I'm making in this biz. I also have a 'day job' in academia, which I love.

Do I insualt your affiliate program because I and chances are everyone else has never heard of it? No, so don't assume because I do not run a affiliate program does not mean I have little money and little traffic. For the few people who know me as cosis know that is not the case.

Bingo. :thumbsup

I'm happy to tell you that I believe Tawnee is one of, if not THE, highest paid amateur model on the net. She just bought a new condo and a new car, and is almost finished with her college degree with no debt. She is 22, works 4 days a month shooting updates for her site for over $10k per month every month. We do all the work for her site, including updating her daily journal, answering her fan mail, and replying to her members on her message board. She now shoots only softcore content.

Show me another 22 year old making $10k monthly for 4 days work?

Tawnee is popular because a team of people have been promoting her day and night for 3 years! She is a success story in an industry that doesn't have enough to go around.

Steve Lightspeed

Ahhh its starting to make alot more sense now.

:winkwink:

So this is a hobby and your day job covers your expenses for your hobby. Its cool.... thats how i started.

its not even about that.. once they know the biz.. they can hire someone to take care of the daily task.. hell if a REALLY cute model (katesplayground type) would propose me a 100% payout (plus the exclusivity for 1 month of promotion) in exchange of making the site, magage, promote... I would do it... and promote the heck out of it.. As for photos and videos.. I know some people that could take care of that for a very small fee...

if you've never heard of me or my programs, that's a strike against you my friend, not against me.

good job Steve, nice to see someone spreading the love.