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IPK · 07-13-2004, 12:38 PM

http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...,4057,10123995^401,00.html

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Special unit to probe 'rich list' murder
By Jim Heintz in Moscow
July 13, 2004

A HIGH-LEVEL special crimes unit will investigate the killing of the American editor of Forbes magazine's Russian edition, an official said overnight, a sign the government wants to show its determination to solve the slaying.

Prosecutor General Vladimir Ustinov has ordered his office's department for the investigation of particularly important cases to conduct the probe into the death of Paul Klebnikov, said Viktor Potapov, an official at the prosecutor general's office.

Mr Klebnikov, 41, was gunned down late Friday outside the magazine's Moscow offices in a slaying widely believed to be connected to his work.

Forbes started its Russian-language edition in April, and in May attracted wide attention by publishing a list of Russia's wealthiest people - a sensitive topic in a country where many fortunes were made through dubious activities in the corruption-marred years following the Soviet collapse.

"It is absolutely obvious that the motive of the tragedy was his professional activity, something he did with the ratings of the richest people in Russia," the Interfax news agency quoted Russian Union of Journalists secretary Igor Yakovenko as saying.

"The people who became billionaires in months and who cannot explain where they had gotten this money, either to the world or to law-enforcement agencies, cannot stand such reports," Mr Yakovenko said, according to Interfax.

Mr Klebnikov, born in the United States of Russian heritage, also authored a book about Boris Berezovsky, one of the tycoons who got rich in the chaotic and violent period of 1990s post-Soviet capitalism.

In the course of writing about Mr Berezovsky, Mr Klebnikov interviewed Khozh-Akhmed Nukhayev, a former deputy prime minister in the Chechen separatist government who was rumoured to have provided criminal help to Mr Berezovsky.

Mr Klebnikov last year published a book in Russian based on his interviews with Mr Nukhayev, Conversations With a Barbarian. Some newspapers on Monday suggested that book could have provoked the killing.

"Up to the moment the book appeared on the shelves, Nukhayev didn't even suspect it was being prepared," the newspaper Vremya Novostei wrote.

Also overnight, the newspaper Kommersant cited Mikhail Fishman, a journalist for the Russian edition of Newsweek who accompanied the mortally wounded Mr Klebnikov to the hospital, as saying that he was told by a doctor that Mr Klebnikov died while the elevator taking him to surgery was stuck.

The international media watchdog Reporters Without Borders has said it was "shocked" by the killing and called on the Government to protect journalists. It said that five journalists were killed last year in Russia, and that official investigations have so far failed to uncover why they died.

The car from which the shots were fired was found by police on Saturday, Russian news reports said.

A US Embassy spokesman said the FBI's attache in Moscow has offered assistance to Russian authorities in investigating the killing, but declined to give details.

Mr Klebnikov was able to speak after he was shot but couldn't say anything about what could have been the cause of the attack, according to Alexander Gordeyev, an editor of another magazine who came to Klebnikov's side as he lay outside the building.

The Associated Press

IPK · 07-13-2004, 12:41 PM

the russian mob is ruthless

polish_aristocrat · 07-13-2004, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by IPK
The people who became billionaires in months and who cannot explain where they had gotten this money

probably started a tgp

IPK · 07-13-2004, 12:43 PM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
probably started a tgp

Yeah, at worst they're probably spammers.

BabeHunter · 07-13-2004, 12:44 PM

old news

there are some subjects ppl should stay away from.

johnbosh · 07-13-2004, 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
probably started a tgp

lol that makes sence

Rich · 07-13-2004, 12:48 PM

Well no shit, what did they think would happen? Only American rich people want everyone knowing how much they're worth. I'll tell you something right now, you'll never see an Israeli Forbes 500 list.

IPK · 07-13-2004, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
Well no shit, what did they think would happen? Only American rich people want everyone knowing how much they're worth. I'll tell you something right now, you'll never see an Israeli Forbes 500 list.

Yeah no kidding.

IPK · 07-13-2004, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
Well no shit, what did they think would happen? Only American rich people want everyone knowing how much they're worth. I'll tell you something right now, you'll never see an Israeli Forbes 500 list.

You'll never see a GFY 500 List either

Phoenix · 07-13-2004, 12:53 PM

mobster or not..this will not be good for whoever did the killing

im sure the russian police/army will simply get rid of him for making their country look like it is run by the mob.

get rid of him and take all his money...you dont go around killing whoever you want..lol

kill criminals no one cares...kill a magazine editor...you just brought the longest arm of the law down on you...congrats..lol

IPK · 07-13-2004, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix

im sure the russian police/army will simply get rid of him for making their country look like it is run by the mob.

but their country is run by the mob

Rich · 07-13-2004, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by IPK
You'll never see a GFY 500 List either

Exactly.

BabeHunter · 07-13-2004, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix
mobster or not..this will not be good for whoever did the killing
im sure the russian police/army will simply get rid of him for making their country look like it is run by the mob.
get rid of him and take all his money...you dont go around killing whoever you want..lol
kill criminals no one cares...kill a magazine editor...you just brought the longest arm of the law down on you...congrats..lol

dude
the rich guys own the country

no 1 will care about the dead editor...

it's russia...you can kidnap and kill who ever you want
the only guys that get into trouble are those who actully doing the killing

Rich · 07-13-2004, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix
mobster or not..this will not be good for whoever did the killing

im sure the russian police/army will simply get rid of him for making their country look like it is run by the mob.

get rid of him and take all his money...you dont go around killing whoever you want..lol

kill criminals no one cares...kill a magazine editor...you just brought the longest arm of the law down on you...congrats..lol

Whoever did this probably does run the country.

sid375 · 07-13-2004, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by BabeHunter
old news

there are some subjects ppl should stay away from.

Phoenix · 07-13-2004, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by IPK
but their country is run by the mob

and that is all cool

im down with that..i like the black brothers

but, there are somethings you can do, and some you cant

this guy willbe given up to put everyone at ease now

Manowar · 07-13-2004, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
probably started a tgp

Phoenix · 07-13-2004, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by Rich

Whoever did this probably does run the country.

sadly you may be right...lol

IPK · 07-13-2004, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix
and that is all cool

im down with that..i like the black brothers

but, there are somethings you can do, and some you cant

this guy willbe given up to put everyone at ease now

yeah they'll probably take someone down for good show

Nysus · 07-13-2004, 01:16 PM

I'm sure the Russian government would love to be able to legitimately cease one of their richest person's assets.

Mind you, if you're really a smart rich person you'd have your money spread out over many off-shore places..

Cheers,
Matt

IPK · 07-13-2004, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Nysus
I'm sure the Russian government would love to be able to legitimately cease one of their richest person's assets.

Mind you, if you're really a smart rich person you'd have your money spread out over many off-shore places..

Cheers,
Matt

Yeah, they'll have to fight tooth and nail for that money.

polish_aristocrat · 07-13-2004, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by BabeHunter
old news

there are some subjects ppl should stay away from.

not on GFY

just a punk · 07-13-2004, 01:25 PM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
probably started a tgp

tgp, spam, blah...blah...blah...blah. Do you hear something about gas and oil?.. 100% of all Russian billionaires sell gas and oil.

IPK · 07-13-2004, 01:47 PM

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Originally posted by cyberxxx
tgp, spam, blah...blah...blah...blah. Do you hear something about gas and oil?.. 100% of all Russian billionaires sell gas and oil.

I'm not sure they'd have anything to hide if all they were doing is selling gas and oil.

Lee · 07-13-2004, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by cyberxxx
tgp, spam, blah...blah...blah...blah. Do you hear something about gas and oil?.. 100% of all Russian billionaires sell gas and oil.

Errr.... humour perhaps?

iwantchixx · 07-13-2004, 01:50 PM

never trust a fucking russian, More corrupt than an Iraqi insurgant.

just a punk · 07-13-2004, 02:31 PM

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Originally posted by IPK
I'm not sure they'd have anything to hide if all they were doing is selling gas and oil.

You are soooooo naive... Russian Jew mafia controls all gas and oil industry. It's much more criminal and bloody business than gambling or drug-selling.

just a punk · 07-13-2004, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by iwantchixx
never trust a fucking russian, More corrupt than an Iraqi insurgant.

I'd say never trust anyone if you don't know him well. For instance, I don't trust fucking canadians in a same way as I don't trust fucking russians if I don't know these guys personally.

IPK · 07-13-2004, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by cyberxxx
You are soooooo naive... Russian Jew mafia controls all gas and oil industry. It's much more criminal and bloody business than gambling or drug-selling.

Cite your reliable authority.

boobmaster · 07-13-2004, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Phoenix
im sure the russian police/army will simply get rid of him for making their country look like it is run by the mob.

That country IS run by the mob!

just a punk · 07-13-2004, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by IPK
Cite your reliable authority.

Do you know Russian language so I could show you a couple of good articles? Actually I don't think it'a a good idea to find such kind of info in say Chinese, Pakistan or American press

IPK · 07-13-2004, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by cyberxxx
Do you know Russian language so I could show you a couple of good articles? Actually I don't think it'a a good idea to find such kind of info in say Chinese, Pakistan or American press

Translate them into English for me.

just a punk · 07-13-2004, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by IPK
Translate them into English for me.

Sorry have no such a big free time for that. Learn Russian and read everything yourself. Take a look at me, English is not my mother language, however I can read it without any problem in case if I need that

IPK · 07-13-2004, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by cyberxxx
Sorry have no such a big free time for that. Learn Russian and read everything yourself. Take a look at me, English is not my mother language, however I can read it without any problem in case if I need that

Okay then don't cite any authority.

zanycash Pete · 07-13-2004, 03:37 PM

Currupt mofo's

bjs24 · 07-13-2004, 04:21 PM

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Originally posted by cyberxxx
Do you know Russian language so I could show you a couple of good articles? Actually I don't think it'a a good idea to find such kind of info in say Chinese, Pakistan or American press

Lets see some links

warlock5 · 07-17-2004, 04:19 PM

Well this might add more fuel to Putin's fire after Russia's richest man got arrested.

pornstar2pac · 07-17-2004, 04:32 PM

I love the russians. I have no beefs with any of them

Firehorse · 07-18-2004, 04:07 AM

The truth can be a very dangerous thing to deal in as history shows us!

Gunni · 07-18-2004, 04:28 AM

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Originally posted by IPK
I'm not sure they'd have anything to hide if all they were doing is selling gas and oil.

He's not joking, Roman Abramovich, not that many years ago he worked selling used car tiers, then some how he became the owner of an oil company and now lives in England, and just by moving there he became the richest man in England.

Now what these guys have to hide is not the fact that they sell oil and gas, but the fact how they got into selling oil and gas ;)

Oh, and it is not just Russion oil companies that do their busniss in a ruthless way, read up about western oilcompaniees like Shell operating in the third world...

DarkJedi · 07-18-2004, 04:29 AM

Lesson learned: don't fuck with russkies

RED&P RedEye · 07-18-2004, 05:05 AM

Er...its not that easy as it looks like.
This Forbes stuff and billioners is way higher than just some rich person being nuts about someone disclosing that "WOW his in Mafia!"

Suppose someone says You're in the mafia and You got billions, so fucking what? Mass media says all kinds of bullshit all the time about rich people , about mafia, about government, so what? Who cares? No one's getting killed because of that.
(well..mostly)

Do You think russian mass media doesnt call our billion making dudes mafia? They do every fucking day and everyone is alive. The call Mr. Putin whatever they want and they are all alive.
(well....mostly)

It's all about different stuff.
Suppose You're Forbes , suppose You got friends in lets say company called Shell and lets assume Shell wants to buy lets say PUBLIC (thats important) local company in Africa "Oil Corporation of Republic of Nigeria". So You go and print that "Oil Corporation of Republic of Nigeria" is full of shit , mafia and drug money and all local small investors say "Wow, Forbes is never wrong" and guess what the price goes down, and here Shell is buying it for pennies.
That's just a small example.

One thing important to understand - there is no such thing as independent media. Especially in finances.

detroitiron · 07-18-2004, 06:21 AM

"The people who became billionaires in months..."
What the fuck........

Gunni · 07-18-2004, 06:24 AM

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Originally posted by detroitiron
"The people who became billionaires in months..."
What the fuck........

Yes, it is kind of the same if you would all of a sudden become the owner of Shell

RED&P RedEye · 07-18-2004, 02:37 PM

It's no wonder.
There was no private property in Soviet Union. Everything belonged to the government.

However once Soviet time was over, the "privatization" started when normal people were making their flats and house their property and business was transferred to be private property as well.

So imagine You were a director of a huge oil factory in Soviet Times with an extreme salary of 500$ (no shit) and then in 1 day You had better possibility than anyone else to make the whole factory Yours, and the next day You wake up - You're a billioner.

As far as I recall they still think to sue the guy in the Govermnet who actually started that "privatization" process cause it fucked the whole country.

IPK · 07-18-2004, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by RED&P RedEye
Er...its not that easy as it looks like.
This Forbes stuff and billioners is way higher than just some rich person being nuts about someone disclosing that "WOW his in Mafia!"

Suppose someone says You're in the mafia and You got billions, so fucking what? Mass media says all kinds of bullshit all the time about rich people , about mafia, about government, so what? Who cares? No one's getting killed because of that.
(well..mostly)

Do You think russian mass media doesnt call our billion making dudes mafia? They do every fucking day and everyone is alive. The call Mr. Putin whatever they want and they are all alive.
(well....mostly)

It's all about different stuff.
Suppose You're Forbes , suppose You got friends in lets say company called Shell and lets assume Shell wants to buy lets say PUBLIC (thats important) local company in Africa "Oil Corporation of Republic of Nigeria". So You go and print that "Oil Corporation of Republic of Nigeria" is full of shit , mafia and drug money and all local small investors say "Wow, Forbes is never wrong" and guess what the price goes down, and here Shell is buying it for pennies.
That's just a small example.

One thing important to understand - there is no such thing as independent media. Especially in finances.

That's a pretty interesting point of view.

I think i somewhat agree with you.

Pornwolf · 07-18-2004, 04:41 PM

Russia is the wild wild west. Not a good place to set up shop.

Gunni · 07-18-2004, 04:48 PM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
Russia is the wild wild west. Not a good place to set up shop.

Actually probably the best place to set up shop (along with China), I know of these two Icelandic guys that went over there and set up a beer factory, with in a couple of years their beer (Bravo it was called I think) was the third most poular beer in Russia. Then they sold it to Heineken for $300 millions.

Vitasoy · 07-18-2004, 05:00 PM

Russian Mafia in effect.

baddog · 07-18-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by cyberxxx
tgp, spam, blah...blah...blah...blah. Do you hear something about gas and oil?.. 100% of all Russian billionaires sell gas and oil.

wow

07-13-2004, 12:38 PM	#1
IPK Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 4,209	News: Russia's richest gun down Forbes editor for naming them http://www.news.com.au/common/story_...,4057,10123995^401,00.html or http://tinyurl.com/4f229 Special unit to probe 'rich list' murder By Jim Heintz in Moscow July 13, 2004 A HIGH-LEVEL special crimes unit will investigate the killing of the American editor of Forbes magazine's Russian edition, an official said overnight, a sign the government wants to show its determination to solve the slaying. Prosecutor General Vladimir Ustinov has ordered his office's department for the investigation of particularly important cases to conduct the probe into the death of Paul Klebnikov, said Viktor Potapov, an official at the prosecutor general's office. Mr Klebnikov, 41, was gunned down late Friday outside the magazine's Moscow offices in a slaying widely believed to be connected to his work. Forbes started its Russian-language edition in April, and in May attracted wide attention by publishing a list of Russia's wealthiest people - a sensitive topic in a country where many fortunes were made through dubious activities in the corruption-marred years following the Soviet collapse. "It is absolutely obvious that the motive of the tragedy was his professional activity, something he did with the ratings of the richest people in Russia," the Interfax news agency quoted Russian Union of Journalists secretary Igor Yakovenko as saying. "The people who became billionaires in months and who cannot explain where they had gotten this money, either to the world or to law-enforcement agencies, cannot stand such reports," Mr Yakovenko said, according to Interfax. Mr Klebnikov, born in the United States of Russian heritage, also authored a book about Boris Berezovsky, one of the tycoons who got rich in the chaotic and violent period of 1990s post-Soviet capitalism. In the course of writing about Mr Berezovsky, Mr Klebnikov interviewed Khozh-Akhmed Nukhayev, a former deputy prime minister in the Chechen separatist government who was rumoured to have provided criminal help to Mr Berezovsky. Mr Klebnikov last year published a book in Russian based on his interviews with Mr Nukhayev, Conversations With a Barbarian. Some newspapers on Monday suggested that book could have provoked the killing. "Up to the moment the book appeared on the shelves, Nukhayev didn't even suspect it was being prepared," the newspaper Vremya Novostei wrote. Also overnight, the newspaper Kommersant cited Mikhail Fishman, a journalist for the Russian edition of Newsweek who accompanied the mortally wounded Mr Klebnikov to the hospital, as saying that he was told by a doctor that Mr Klebnikov died while the elevator taking him to surgery was stuck. The international media watchdog Reporters Without Borders has said it was "shocked" by the killing and called on the Government to protect journalists. It said that five journalists were killed last year in Russia, and that official investigations have so far failed to uncover why they died. The car from which the shots were fired was found by police on Saturday, Russian news reports said. A US Embassy spokesman said the FBI's attache in Moscow has offered assistance to Russian authorities in investigating the killing, but declined to give details. Mr Klebnikov was able to speak after he was shot but couldn't say anything about what could have been the cause of the attack, according to Alexander Gordeyev, an editor of another magazine who came to Klebnikov's side as he lay outside the building. The Associated Press __________________ DomainerResource.com strategies for monetizing and investing in domain names...

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Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	I'm sure the Russian government would love to be able to legitimately cease one of their richest person's assets. Mind you, if you're really a smart rich person you'd have your money spread out over many off-shore places.. Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

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Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	Well no shit, what did they think would happen? Only American rich people want everyone knowing how much they're worth. I'll tell you something right now, you'll never see an Israeli Forbes 500 list.

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RED&P RedEye Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 38	Er...its not that easy as it looks like. This Forbes stuff and billioners is way higher than just some rich person being nuts about someone disclosing that "WOW his in Mafia!" Suppose someone says You're in the mafia and You got billions, so fucking what? Mass media says all kinds of bullshit all the time about rich people , about mafia, about government, so what? Who cares? No one's getting killed because of that. (well..mostly) Do You think russian mass media doesnt call our billion making dudes mafia? They do every fucking day and everyone is alive. The call Mr. Putin whatever they want and they are all alive. (well....mostly) It's all about different stuff. Suppose You're Forbes , suppose You got friends in lets say company called Shell and lets assume Shell wants to buy lets say PUBLIC (thats important) local company in Africa "Oil Corporation of Republic of Nigeria". So You go and print that "Oil Corporation of Republic of Nigeria" is full of shit , mafia and drug money and all local small investors say "Wow, Forbes is never wrong" and guess what the price goes down, and here Shell is buying it for pennies. That's just a small example. One thing important to understand - there is no such thing as independent media. Especially in finances. __________________ www.re-partners.biz

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detroitiron So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 157	"The people who became billionaires in months..." What the fuck........

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RED&P RedEye Registered User Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 38	It's no wonder. There was no private property in Soviet Union. Everything belonged to the government. However once Soviet time was over, the "privatization" started when normal people were making their flats and house their property and business was transferred to be private property as well. So imagine You were a director of a huge oil factory in Soviet Times with an extreme salary of 500$ (no shit) and then in 1 day You had better possibility than anyone else to make the whole factory Yours, and the next day You wake up - You're a billioner. As far as I recall they still think to sue the guy in the Govermnet who actually started that "privatization" process cause it fucked the whole country. __________________ www.re-partners.biz

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