ya..looks like id's etc will just have to be part of the affiliate admin soon..downlowd them in a zip when you start promoting..not really a bid deal

If the laws do get changed, and worse comes ot worse it will deff have a major effect on the way affil programs are run, This is yet one more reason I am glad we switched to 3D / Anime content Even if worse comes to worse we will not be effected by the changes, Unless that is the nazi's turn their sites on the cartoon niche, then we'll get fucked.

All I can say cross your collective fingers, maybe this will not go through, never know stranger shit has happened.


-Loki-

I think if you just make a page with all the content providers you bought from you should be safe. If they keep all the records for you it should be covered.
As far as I understand you only have to own the legal documents if you are dealing directly with the models. As a client from a content provider you are not dealing with the models so the content provider is responsible.

Where did you read that?

When I started 4 years ago, everyone bought their own content to promote sponsors.

Actually, it really IS a bad idea. Every tom dick and harry should not be able to sign up for my program AND get all of my personal information right along with it.

This is a perfect example of laws intended to PROTECT people actually putting people in great danger and just being a waste of time and energy. It's a bad stupid counterproductive law that doesn't help ANYBODY and only serves to handicap the adult industry. The 2257 laws are as stupid as if they'd pass laws making cashiers make & maintain copies of customer id's everytime they card someone buying tobacco or alcohol.

Here is the direction that I'm going to take. It's about the best way I see myself doing it. I think this is safe enough to cover my ass.

Each one of our models will have a numbered dir with her file in it. The file will have a picture of the DL, which show the picture and the birth date only, and the numbered dir as a reference number. The numbers for each model will correspond the hard copy records in my office.

Seeming they know where the office is, my phone, e-mail, and fax number. If they need a model release/id, etc.. Then it's as simple as a faxing it to them.

In our webmasters area each of the models free content will have a link to that models 2257 page and / or they can link directly to my main 2257 page.

My 2257 page is going to link to other peoples 2257 page for content that I have purchased or lease.

I feel that is safe enough to cover my ass.

They already tried to, but the Supreme Court overturned it. Remember the so called "virtual child porn" law? If the government decided your naked cartoons were underage, they could have thrown you in jail if it wouldn't have been overturned. The Free Speech Coalition one that case.

This shit is a really fucking bad proposition the "industry-killers" have made...

Some of you guys expressed concerns about privacy etc. by handing out
model-info to webmasters..

How about giving Mr. Joe "The Stalker" Pornsurfer the ability to track down
and harass (and who knows what more) any model he fancies..!!?

Now THAT'S a potential privacy-fucker this could end up meaning.. :( :2 cents:

While everyone's concerns for model privacy are valid, I have to ask do you really think anyone outside the industry cares??

This could have a chilling effect on our business. The folks on the right who are pushing this thing could simply say "hey, if you're willing to fuck on film then the price you pay is to have everyone know who you are and where you live"

Say goodbye to all the new talent coming into this business.
The point of laws like these isn't that they want people to keep better records, they're simply trying to bitchslap the industry.

I think we (as an industry) should challenge the regs in court and get a temporary injunction before the feds start shutting people down and locking them up.

:2 cents:

50 new 2257 regulations

it sucks men

If you look down the page for this "Updated July 12, 2004. "

You will see the old law and the changes to it.

I'm split on this one. We needed to have a big over haul of 2257 in reletion to the Internet, but this might be going to far.

How many of you who have psted here have gone to the 2257 site and registered a comment on the changes to the law? You can do it here http://www.regulations.gov/freddocs/04-13792.htm and there are places which tell you how to comment on the alterations.

But be a bit more constructive than "It will put me out of business" Tell them about the effects on privacy, the advantage it will give to European companies, they think this will have an effect of less than $100m well maybe they are wrong.

One of the ways around it will be to make the images that are being handed out soft core, so not falling into the needs to have 2257 info with avery affiliate.

But as I've read the law if you post up porn you need to have the 2257 documents and you need to check them.

So long as you're in the US, us in the free world can carry on much as we please.

You really need to read the documents linked to elsewhere in this thread. Your understanding of the new requirements is way off: if YOU show visual depictions of sexually explicit material then YOU have to keep the records.

Logically, teen sites should be at the greatest risk. But although the new regulations are supposedly being put in place to protect minors, they are only related directly to record-keeping requirements. That opens up the possibility of them being used by anyone who wants to generate some publicity for themselves and picking almost anyone as a target.

If we deal with this the way we have Visa and Acacia, 65% will sit on their hands and hope it all goes away. 20% won't read the regs, but they will do what they think the regs require. 10% will find "loopholes" to exploit (even if they wouldn't fool a child of six and involve as much work as simply going along with the regs). 4% will brag about what they will do to anyone who tries to come after them. Maybe 1% will actually do what is required, not only protecting themselves, but if they had not been in such a tiny minority, possibly slowing or stopping the next trainload of crap coming down the tracks towards us.

On the blacking out thing, I see the potential danger to the models, but I can't believe the authorities will accept files/document-copies that are easily faked AND incomplete. Since the whole point of these changes has been to expand the number of people obliged to keep records, it doesn't seem likely we shall be able to say "if you want the complete records contact Joe Blow in fill-in-the-distant-country-here".

We are all busy interpreting these rules (in our favor) and arguing about whether or not they will be enforced. But given the penalties involved, does it really make sense to take the chance?

That's in this page:
http://www.regulations.gov/freddocs/04-13792.htm

Thanks for your comments
What I posted was an opinion I read on antoher board. I was not sure if it was the right opinion and that's why I posted it over here. Your comments made a lot of sense :thumbsup

NP. I wasn't taking a poke at you. The fact is that I live in one of the states which used to be on the banned list at ZMaster and UrentDVDs (for example) - https://www.urentdvds.com/zipcodes.html - won't ship to today. So when regs like this come along with a 5-year penalty attached, I can't afford to be complacent about them.

One of the things I haven't been able to find in the new rules is who is actually responsible for checking the validity of the records. That bothers me because I can't believe that if the worst comes to the worst, waving a photocopy I got from a post office box 5 thousand miles away is actually going to get me off the hook.

At least if I buy from someone who has a bricks-and-mortar address in the US, I might have some company during the trial :)

New day bump cause its important. Sorry it is biz related.

This would be an interesting case if it ever went to court. I'm not a lawyer, but it seems to me this would be a 4th ammendment issue of unreasonable searches. When professional performers have to put themselves at risk by giving their name and home address right along side every picture of themself, for the means of government searches, that is unreasonable. Maybe it will take a model getting stalked and killed for the "department" to realize this.

But, didn't we really bring it upon ourselves by promoting sites like Little April? Sure, she may be 18, but it seems the site was sitting there taunting the government. HAHA, this girl is little, and she looks 15. I know we have heard all the controversy when the site came out, but I still refuse to promote it. What is the point of promoting a girl that looks 15 instead of helping to fight against CP by not promoting things that even resemble it.

I have a feeling, if this goes through, people promoting her site will see the first lawsuits.

Some wierd stuff comes out on these threads in place of facts: there is absolutely nothing in the new regulations which would require that information to be posted on a website.

The webmaster has to keep it however, and since anything is possible, I suppose there is a risk that someone might pose as a webmaster and buy content to get model info.

The Constitutional issues some have tried to raise are surely distractions because your address is routinely required in all kinds of situations. I suppose someone could claim it is proprietary information (protecting the exclusivity of a model from their competition), but I'm not planning on finding myself in the middle of someone else's test case :)

Great replies all. Right now it's just a game of hurry up and wait. I do have an issue with passing out ID's as well. Privacy laws are contradicting possible regulations and it's not a good thing. I've seen some great responses and if they blacking out and numbering system is sufficient, then this will be the way to go! :thumbsup