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genomega 07-09-2004 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by Roger
No they didn't. France made it's decision not to go to war based on the latest intel gathered.
And as we already see, it looks like the US intelligence knew the truth but that's not what they wanted to hear.

Article

Wrong, France was in bed with them for the billions they were skimming off the food for oil program.

:Graucho

loco12 07-09-2004 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by loverboy
with the US coalition death toll reaching 1,000, its a pity that they are fighting a cause behind an intelligence failure.
And just how many poor, completely innocent Iraqi's have been murdered by the coalition forces in this false war?

Tens of thousands of Children, women and innocent men have been blown to kingdom come by allied forces bombs and machine guns.

George Bush is a murderer. Fact. He alone is responsible for the war, as the BBC said today, it was a war of choice, not neccessity.

Bush alone should be taken off to The Hague to face war crimes against the Iraqi people. The man is no better than Hitler and Slobodan Milosevic. Attacking a country that was no threat at all to its citizens.

Yes, Sadam was an evil tyrant, but so are the leaders of North Korea and Zimbabwe. Are we going to war with them?

Americans must learn to vote at the next opportunity. Get that Bush out and replace him with a man strong enough to lead the USA back into the realms of reality.

Bush has done more damage to the reputation of the USA than every other US president combined.
I used to love going to the USA on holiday. Not any more. I can't go to a place that attacks other countries for no reason whatsoever.

And yes, I am totally ashamed of my government as well, (not that I would ever vote for them) for supporting such a war.


Rant over.

Roger 07-09-2004 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by theking
Your are wrong...French intel concurred with US intel...they simply took the position that it should be up to UN inspectors to ferret out the WMD's/WMD materials. As for your last statement...it was the President that questioned the intel provided to him and felt that it was somewhat weak...but apparently George Tenate told him not to worry..."It is a slam dunk". Every member of the House Intel Committee and Senate Intel Committee was provided with the same intel that the President was provided and every single member of both Committees believed the intel that was provided to them...so your statement "what Bush wanted to hear" is not correct either.
No it didn't. I watched a documentary long ago that said just that. Maybe previous French intel taken years ago concurred with the US one but certainly not the recent one.

It was the president who wanted to invade Iraq from the get go. They wanted what they wanted and the CIA provided them with the intel to help them invade Iraq even though the CIA already knew the truth.

directfiesta 07-09-2004 10:47 AM

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Originally posted by genomega
Wrong, France was in bed with them for the billions they were skimming off the food for oil program.

:Graucho

Real parrot: repeat things that again are false... Provide a link to your accusation....

The only reason France was business related in Iraq is because it is in the middle-wast, a region were France was present for Centuries : Marocco, Algeria, Liban, Lybia, etc.... just like the US are present in Central America...

You know, before the US, the world was turning...

You should read or STFU.

genomega 07-09-2004 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by Tom_PM
genomega, I think everyone believed Iraq had hidden weapons. The problem is that *THIS* administration, when faced with massive pressure to find PROOF, didnt bother to question the assumptions. Didnt bother to allow inspectors to work longer, didnt bother to get support from our main allies, and went against everyones advice but their own. They leapt before the looked. Incompetence I tell you, massive incompetence.

I dont buy party line crap either.

If Bush was a democrat my views would be identical to what they are now. Absolutely identical.

What do you suppose was in all those convoys running from Iraq to Syria for three weeks before the war started?

:)

directfiesta 07-09-2004 10:48 AM

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Originally posted by Roger
No it didn't. I watched a documentary long ago that said just that. Maybe previous French intel taken years ago concurred with the US one but certainly not the recent one.

It was the president who wanted to invade Iraq from the get go. They wanted what they wanted and the CIA provided them with the intel to help them invade Iraq even though the CIA already knew the truth.

http://www.ibillsucks.info/files/bush_agenda.jpg

Roger 07-09-2004 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by genomega
Wrong, France was in bed with them for the billions they were skimming off the food for oil program.
You're absolutely right :)

Even if it was true, it's peanuts compared to what they could make by participating in the coalition and having a new market of millions of Iraqis open up.

directfiesta 07-09-2004 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by genomega
What do you suppose was in all those convoys running from Iraq to Syria for three weeks before the war started?

:)

More bla bla bla and hear say.

How about a link ???

:321GFY

theking 07-09-2004 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by charly
I wonder if you would be so Blase if you had lost your mother to a "mistake" like this.

You did not but thousands have lost a parent becasue they got it wrong.

They would of got better intel if they had read this board and as much as you pontificate that's the truth.

Look at your family and try to imagine what you would feel, how you would react and how you would get even. If someone had killed them on this flimsy, WRONG evidence.

"Blase" is your word and it is inappropriately used when applied to me. I am...and have been enraged...when intel gets it wrong in a major way...and even in a minor way...as I have been on the receiving end of bad intel. PF almost lost his military career because of bad intel in Vietnam. I have said from the beginning that a "lying" President is of little import compared to an intel failure.

In my case though I never viewed WMD's as being the most important reason to take down Saddam and the Baath party as I advocated it within the first year of the "cease fire" Iraq agreed to.

genomega 07-09-2004 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
Real parrot: repeat things that again are false... Provide a link to your accusation....

The only reason France was business related in Iraq is because it is in the middle-wast, a region were France was present for Centuries : Marocco, Algeria, Liban, Lybia, etc.... just like the US are present in Central America...

You know, before the US, the world was turning...

You should read or STFU.

Those nasty facts get in the way again? Just do a search on the un and oil for food and fraud and by the way France ignored all of the un sanctions on iraq.

:Graucho

Roger 07-09-2004 10:53 AM

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Originally posted by genomega
What do you suppose was in all those convoys running from Iraq to Syria for three weeks before the war started?

:)

Again, even if we assume that you're right, the fact that Saddam is a coward who'd rather ship his WMD away while his country is under invasion doesn't make him a threat.

theking 07-09-2004 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by Roger
No it didn't. I watched a documentary long ago that said just that. Maybe previous French intel taken years ago concurred with the US one but certainly not the recent one.

It was the president who wanted to invade Iraq from the get go. They wanted what they wanted and the CIA provided them with the intel to help them invade Iraq even though the CIA already knew the truth.

George Tenant testified in open hearings...just a few weeks ago that French intel (among others) concurred...and I personally viewed the hearings. This broadcast was available world wide as well as reported in print media world wide and the French did not deny his testimony. I would say the proof is in the pudding.

Roger 07-09-2004 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by theking
George Tenant testified in open hearings...just a few weeks ago that French intel (among others) concurred...and I personally viewed the hearings. This broadcast was available world wide as well as reported in print media world wide and the French did not deny his testimony. I would say the proof is in the pudding.
Same guy who failed to prevent 9/11, gave false info about WMD's and got fired? :)

Tom_PMs 07-09-2004 10:59 AM

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What do you suppose was in all those convoys running from Iraq to Syria for three weeks before the war started?

*If* thats the case, then perhaps thats the proof that weapons inspectors may have found if a competent leader was in place.

Further, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

We sent 11k troops where Bin Laden was. We got him cornered in the mountains. Then inexplicably, the troops told the Afghan fighters to go in and get Bin Laden for us. Pleased to be explaining it?

BTW: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.

So then all of a sudden we're talking about Iraq. Why? Only the white house knows, to this day.

Connection to 9/11? No.
WMD? No.
Nukes? No.

Why? And where the fuck is bin laden, the man responsible for murdering 3000+ civilian lives in the largest attack ever on american soil? Is he in IRAQ???

God I cant wait until January 1st.

theking 07-09-2004 11:02 AM

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Originally posted by Roger
Same guy who failed to prevent 9/11, gave false info about WMD's and got fired? :)
The same guy that provided "wrong" information...yes...but does not alter that fact that France nor Germany denied his statement that they concurred with US intel.

directfiesta 07-09-2004 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by genomega
Those nasty facts get in the way again? Just do a search on the un and oil for food and fraud and by the way France ignored all of the un sanctions on iraq.

:Graucho

I don't have to prove or search... You bring up stories, well back them up. I searched and found nothing .. lol. :321GFY

directfiesta 07-09-2004 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by theking
George Tenant testified in open hearings...just a few weeks ago that French intel (among others) concurred...and I personally viewed the hearings. This broadcast was available world wide as well as reported in print media world wide and the French did not deny his testimony. I would say the proof is in the pudding.
Who the fuck cares what Tenant sayed... All along it was all false, so so is this. :2 cents:

Roger 07-09-2004 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by theking
The same guy that provided "wrong" information...yes...but does not alter that fact that France nor Germany denied his statement that they concurred with US intel.
Deny what? They already said that based on info from intelligence they choose not to invade.

If France came out and denied Tenet's testimony, the republicans will be all up in arms about how France is an enemy. So why exactly would they say anything?

I don't really trust any government though. If France was a part of the coalition they to would've given false info. It's all about politics.

theking 07-09-2004 11:24 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
Who the fuck cares what Tenant sayed... All along it was all false, so so is this. :2 cents:
You clearly care what is said by George Tenant and everyone else in US Government as you bash those in the US Government daily.

theking 07-09-2004 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by Roger
Deny what? They already said that based on info from intelligence they choose not to invade.

That is not a correct description of the position France took pior to the US invasion.

loverboy 07-09-2004 12:32 PM

now the Iraqi people has the very right to be mad and hope they not retaliate on this revelation.


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