Conservatives please tell me one thing

[Gunni]

how does it go togeher being anti-liberal, voting for a party that main thing is "christian values" and peddling porn?
I just don't get it!

And btw. your liberal party over there would be considered pretty conservative over here

[montel]

it just doesnt make any sense.

just like being a christian and a pronographer is BS. christians are supposed to attempt to emulate jesus. can you see jesus bulding and submitting galleries or working hard to increase the prod on his CJ?... or working to get a high google rank on the search term "anal gangbang"?

[Gunni]

I actually know one Jesús that is doing that....
But then again he is not supposed to be the son of God

[adjektiv]

Conservatives are supposed to believe in less government, little or no taxes and more freedom. It's hard to argue against that.

[jimmyf]

Back when I 1st started I use 2 get hits from the Vatican. Thought it was funny, went on for about a year.

[AcidMax]

Keep in mind that not all conservative voters are Christians. While many of the hardline conservatives are Christians there are many of us that are not.

I believe in many things the conservative party believes in, and there are things that I like about the liberals. I just think that the conservatives on many things and many life experiences that I have had are a better party, not to mention right now John Kerry scares the shit out of me.

When it comes to crime, taxes etc I am republican, obviously with porn I am liberal. I think I would really consider myself more of a libertarian more than anything, but with the mainstream being liberal / conservative I vote conservative. To me there is much more to voting then just porn, like military, crime, taxes etc. Being a vet I saw what Clinton did to the armed forces while I served, so I don't care for the Liberal ideas for the military.

Andy

[Gunni]

Originally posted by adjektiv
Conservatives are supposed to believe in less government, little or no taxes and more freedom. It's hard to argue against that.

Yeah, it is, but the political party in the USA that is known as conservative is doing the exact opposite of that, or that's what it looks like from here...

[12clicks]

once you liberals understand that voting is not a single issue event, you'll have learned something.

[Tom_PMs]

Todays "conservatives" want more government regulation to impose stringent "values" (if you can call it that) on everyone else.

Repressive or Oppressive are more applicable labels.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by adjektiv
Conservatives are supposed to believe in less government, little or no taxes and more freedom. It's hard to argue against that.

more freedom? only if they approve of what you do, thats not freedom.

[Gunni]

Originally posted by AcidMax
When it comes to crime, taxes etc I am republican, obviously with porn I am liberal. I think I would really consider myself more of a libertarian more than anything, but with the mainstream being liberal / conservative I vote conservative. To me there is much more to voting then just porn, like military, crime, taxes etc. Being a vet I saw what Clinton did to the armed forces while I served, so I don't care for the Liberal ideas for the military.

Andy

Dude, America has been on top of the spending list on military for ages, not even with Clinton did you guys spend less then the 10 next ones on the list combined. Can you imagine what could be done with that money?

This whole Army stuff is rubbish, I mean if USA would only spend half of what they spend on the army they would still top the list by far!

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Tom_PM
Todays "conservatives" want more government regulation to impose stringent "values" (if you can call it that) on everyone else.

Repressive or Oppressive are more applicable labels.

can you produce one of these government regulations?

[UnclePecker]

Originally posted by AcidMax
Keep in mind that not all conservative voters are Christians. While many of the hardline conservatives are Christians there are many of us that are not.

I believe in many things the conservative party believes in, and there are things that I like about the liberals. I just think that the conservatives on many things and many life experiences that I have had are a better party, not to mention right now John Kerry scares the shit out of me.

When it comes to crime, taxes etc I am republican, obviously with porn I am liberal. I think I would really consider myself more of a libertarian more than anything, but with the mainstream being liberal / conservative I vote conservative. To me there is much more to voting then just porn, like military, crime, taxes etc. Being a vet I saw what Clinton did to the armed forces while I served, so I don't care for the Liberal ideas for the military.

Andy

John Kerry scares the shit out of you???
Are you afraid he might get us in a war, ruin our economy, or rig the election?

[benc]

I think the people at the far end of either spectrum are scary, as some of the posts in this thread illustrate.

In a two party system, thats a small amount of parties for lots of different groups of people to fit in. So can't really generalize to much.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Gunni
Dude, America has been on top of the spending list on military for ages, not even with Clinton did you guys spend less then the 10 next ones on the list combined. Can you imagine what could be done with that money?

This whole Army stuff is rubbish, I mean if USA would only spend half of what they spend on the army they would still top the list by far!

being european, of course you don't see the need for a strong military.

[Tom_PMs]

Can I produce one? lol.

They want to amend the constitution to ban same sex marriages at the federal level. Thats a state's rights issue.

Bush himself opposes stem cell research based on what he calls "moral and ethical reasons".

What more would anyone need to know? One is Opressive, the other Repressive.

[Gunni]

Originally posted by 12clicks
once you liberals understand that voting is not a single issue event, you'll have learned something.

Well, I am not American, just looking at this as an outsider, and to me there are many issues I would deffinately be very unhappy with if I was living there, like the economy, if Bush was a COE somewhere he would of gotten the sack a long time ago

[tony286]

Originally posted by UnclePecker
John Kerry scares the shit out of you???
Are you afraid he might get us in a war, ruin our economy, or rig the election?

lol the only things they know about John Kerry are the things drudge and fox tell them. He did two tours in nam decorated war hero and while the other one was partying in AL . Like the country has been so much greater with W and the funny thing is these idiots back w most of them will be going off to iraq when they begin the draft in the summer of 2005. Makes no sense lol.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by UnclePecker
John Kerry scares the shit out of you???
Are you afraid he might get us in a war, ruin our economy, or rig the election?

No, I'm afraid he might lose a war, not be able to save a falling economy, or pretend that when people don't vote for him the election was rigged.

[Gunni]

Originally posted by 12clicks
being european, of course you don't see the need for a strong military.

You don't need a strong military!
Look at Germany and Japan, the two other big economies after USA, the spend a fraction on military compared with USA and I don't know of many countries that are about to invade them...

[fishy]

I guess nobody likes being an American or European anymore

You should all move to the moon, so we'll all be mooners

[Gunni]

Originally posted by fishy
I guess nobody likes being an American or European anymore

You should all move to the moon, so we'll all be mooners

No reason for people not liking to be what they are, even though they are not happy with their government

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by 12clicks
No, I'm afraid he might lose a war, not be able to save a falling economy, or pretend that when people don't vote for him the election was rigged.

oh and bush can save it? he's been doing a great job at it...

[Tom_PMs]

Bush started a war where there was no war, ruined an economy when he inherited a surplus, and was appointed president by a judge who stopped the recount before it was over.

And jobs? Dont forget people that in the united states, they stop counting you as "unemployed" when your government unemployment benefits run out. That is to say that if a million people have used up all their benefits yet NOT found work, and 750,000 more go ON benefits at the same time period, they'll classify that as a DROP in unemployment.

Remember that the next time you hear someone try to say that theres a turn around because unemployment has dropped.

[Gunni]

Originally posted by Tom_PM

And jobs? Dont forget people that in the united states, they stop counting you as "unemployed" when your government unemployment benefits run out. That is to say that if a million people have used up all their benefits yet NOT found work, and 750,000 more go ON benefits at the same time period, they'll classify that as a DROP in unemployment.

Remember that the next time you hear someone try to say that theres a turn around because unemployment has dropped.

hahaha, that is hilarious! So those people do not have work, but yet somehow they are miracuously not unemployed

Here is Spain it's the other way round, when you hear unemployment has risen it just meens more people are working "black"

[jchennav]

Originally posted by Gunni
You don't need a strong military!
Look at Germany and Japan, the two other big economies after USA, the spend a fraction on military compared with USA and I don't know of many countries that are about to invade them...

There are several issues to consider:

1. They know that if they are invaded by a military, the USA will retaliate. The Americans maintain a sizable military presence in both countries.

2. Nuclear weapons act as a deterrent against invasions.

3. I don't know of any countries that can afford to invade Germany and Japan.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by Tom_PM
Bush started a war where there was no war, ruined an economy when he inherited a surplus, and was appointed president by a judge who stopped the recount before it was over.

And jobs? Dont forget people that in the united states, they stop counting you as "unemployed" when your government unemployment benefits run out. That is to say that if a million people have used up all their benefits yet NOT found work, and 750,000 more go ON benefits at the same time period, they'll classify that as a DROP in unemployment.

Remember that the next time you hear someone try to say that theres a turn around because unemployment has dropped.

aren't they still counted if they're actively looking for work?

[tony286]

Originally posted by AcidMax
Keep in mind that not all conservative voters are Christians. While many of the hardline conservatives are Christians there are many of us that are not.

I believe in many things the conservative party believes in, and there are things that I like about the liberals. I just think that the conservatives on many things and many life experiences that I have had are a better party, not to mention right now John Kerry scares the shit out of me.

When it comes to crime, taxes etc I am republican, obviously with porn I am liberal. I think I would really consider myself more of a libertarian more than anything, but with the mainstream being liberal / conservative I vote conservative. To me there is much more to voting then just porn, like military, crime, taxes etc. Being a vet I saw what Clinton did to the armed forces while I served, so I don't care for the Liberal ideas for the military.

Andy

Actually conservatives becoming the party of Jesus is a very new thing. They needed to do that to get more of the middle class.

[Tom_PMs]

aren't they still counted if they're actively looking for work?

That would make sense, wouldnt it? lmao. But typically when there's news reporting on unemployment rates, it's based only on the number of people actually receiving benefits.
More of a predictor than a fact.

Job growth is a tough one too.. How many new jobs are entry level minimum wage with no benefits and high turnover?
And how many lost jobs were long-term high cost employees? Who knows.

Always pretty damn tough to tell the real deal.

[Gunni]

Originally posted by jchennav
There are several issues to consider:

1. They know that if they are invaded by a military, the USA will retaliate. The Americans maintain a sizable military presence in both countries.

2. Nuclear weapons act as a deterrent against invasions.

3. I don't know of any countries that can afford to invade Germany and Japan.

1. That is true, and how much is that costing America?

2. You already have plenty, that should be detterrent enough.

3. Can you then think of any countries that can afford to invade USA? If not then why not spend say just 30% less on the army?

[Rich]

Originally posted by Gunni
You don't need a strong military!
Look at Germany and Japan, the two other big economies after USA, the spend a fraction on military compared with USA and I don't know of many countries that are about to invade them...

The US military build up is to make sure the people can never win another revolution. That's why they've been inventing enemies for the past 60 years. Their government has and will continue to screw the people more and more, but there's nothing they can do about it anymore. The people have been sold out to banks and corporations a long time ago. That's also why they like their people being fat, lazy, and stupid.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Tom_PM
Can I produce one? lol.

They want to amend the constitution to ban same sex marriages at the federal level. Thats a state's rights issue.

wrong. (as usual)
the constitution demands that states recognise marriages (and other legal actions) of other states. "they" (and by "they" you mean most people) do not want the liberal antics of a liberal court of a liberal state foisting the latest fade ( gay marriage) onto them.

Originally posted by Tom_PM
Bush himself opposes stem cell research based on what he calls "moral and ethical reasons".

so then you can point to the law he has passed on it, right?

Originally posted by Tom_PM
What more would anyone need to know? One is Opressive, the other Repressive.

nothing more when you're looking to believe what you want to instead of whats true.

[12clicks]

Originally posted by Gunni
Well, I am not American, just looking at this as an outsider, and to me there are many issues I would deffinately be very unhappy with if I was living there, like the economy, if Bush was a COE somewhere he would of gotten the sack a long time ago

This is only because you don't understand our economy and you listen to liberal medisa explain how bad it is.

[12clicks]

note to self:
you can't teach economics to children on a chat board.

[J-Reel]

Republicans suck

[tony286]

Originally posted by 12clicks
This is only because you don't understand our economy and you listen to liberal medisa explain how bad it is.

Oh stop with the liberal media bullshit . If the miedia was so liberal :

Why was the Rush Drug story broke by the National Enquirer ?

Why was Clinton's (the poster boy for liberals ) book bashed by The NY times and by NPR and anyone else that had a column if the press was so liberal.

Also if the press was so liberal why is every fucking story story about COPA start with how the supreme court gave pornagraphers a victory to show our children porn. ?

[fusionx]

Originally posted by Gunni
Look at Germany and Japan, the two other big economies after USA, the spend a fraction on military compared with USA and I don't know of many countries that are about to invade them... [/B]

How ironic can you get?

The very two countries the US (and allies) had to stop from their world domination plans...

Japan is also limited in how much they can build up because of the treaty we signed with them (hmm.. that might have expired or been expanded recently - can't remember).

[Gunni]

Originally posted by fusionx
How ironic can you get?

The very two countries the US (and allies) had to stop from their world domination plans...

Japan is also limited in how much they can build up because of the treaty we signed with them (hmm.. that might have expired or been expanded recently - can't remember).

That doesn't matter, the point is that you don't have to spend so much on the army, you economy would be better...
...and I'd get more euros for my dollar

[fuzzylogic]

Originally posted by UnclePecker
John Kerry scares the shit out of you???
Are you afraid he might get us in a war, ruin our economy, or rig the election?

[fuzzylogic]

Originally posted by 12clicks
wrong. (as usual)
the constitution demands that states recognise marriages (and other legal actions) of other states. "they" (and by "they" you mean most people) do not want the liberal antics of a liberal court of a liberal state foisting the latest fade ( gay marriage) onto them.

what do you mean "wrong"? this administration is quite vocal about amending the consitution to allow only male-female marriages. this has nothing to do with a "fade". nor do they want states to recognise other states marrages. where are you getting your info from ???

[Theo]

Im not that confident about Kerry too. I don't know, either he is gonna be an awesome president or...... disaster. I like his wife though, I saw an interview of her and she rules. Maybe she should get ahead