Paul90

content sellers?
good reality...non exclusive...

all niches

Paul90

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Dirty F

What exactly is reality content? Nowadays any hardcore scene gets labeled reality.

AaronM

lol

Reality and non-exclusive = complete waste fo time for everybody involved.

I find it funny to see so many people who clearly do not grasp the concept of reality content.

Oh well...More money for those of us who do.

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Hehe...whats up.

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Non exclusive reality content = lease video feeds.

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AaronM

It's not my opinion. It's fact.


Other than what John W has mentioned...There is no REAL money to be made with non-exclusive ANYTHING. And even with the feeds...It's going to make the person selling the feeds a lot more than it is going to make the person who is buying them. This is generally not the case with exclusive content where the purchaser makes more in the long run.

Why waste your resources chasing dimes and nickles when you can be collecting dollars?

SoloGirlsContent

i agree

Drake

I'm also curious what the common definition of reality content is right now. Can somebody clarify?

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amacontent

Aaron, i TOTALLY disagree. My non exclusive content id selling at massive rates. As I am producing 5 - 10 new scenes a week, and am closing in on scene # 1000..... scene # 1 is still selling well...
Its all about marketing baby . And so with love I must disagree with you.

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Azure Sex Kitten

I'm so glad, I came across this thread...
Reality content was and still is a top moneymaker. Definition of reality content....

A themeatic, or conceptualized site,, based on real life events, twisted to "portray" REAL PEOPLE, IN REAL situations, not some half ass gonzo crap. Reality is REAL scenarios, real environments(not hotels), real looking people(not PORN STARS), doing real activities, caught on film....think www.touristhunter.com
www.bangbus.com
These sites LOOK LIKE, they are actually talking someone into something on camera of a few bucks...REALITY....caught on film!
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Dirty F

Yup. Nowadays someone shoots a hardcore scene and instead of calling it simply a hardcore scene he calls it reality content.

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andrej_NDC

exactly, marketing is #1, many of the surfers dont see the difference between exclusive and non-exclusive, tgp/mgp is not the only market in the adult world, its the smallest...

Drake

Besides TGP/MGP, there is only linklist, SE, trades, paid advertisements on sites, 404 traffic, and offline marketing. Am I missing any? Which ones would you say it biggest if TGP/MGP is smallest?

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Clue me in, please

AaronM

Disagree all you like but facts are facts are facts.

Non-exclusive video:

Let's say that you sell a non exclusive video for $100.00 and over the lifetime you sell that video AT THAT PRICE 25 times.

That's $2500.00 minus your overhead....Including your precious "Marketing" costs. (Not much profit there)

Exclusive POV video:

You sell the same scene for $400.00 but you only sell it one time.

$400.00 in your pocket minus overhead. (Profit on this is only made because you shoot it along with other content so it balances out with bulk non-exclusive orders)

Exclusive video FOR YOU:

For this example, we will look at POV BJ scenes....I believe you sell yours for around $400.00 per scene which means your overhead is less than that. Let's pretend that it costs you $400 to shoot it though.....

You spend $4000.00 and shoot 10 of those videos then offer it as a plug in. If you use those same "Marketing" skills that you claim to possess then it should be no problem for you to sell this plug in. I know of a company who has been running a similar plug in for almost a year now and after only 3 months, they were billing $30,000 per month.

Now...Try to keep up with the math.....

You shoot one additional scene every week at $400 per scene. 52 weeks a year plus your original 10 scenes total $24,800.00 out of pocket.

A quick preliminary look shows $24,800 out of pocket for a years worth of updates and an income of $30,000.00 PER MONTH.

Let's pretend that there was zero profit the first 3 months...Why? Fuck if I know...Just to give your theory the benefit of the doubt I guess.....

9 months left in the year at 30k per month = $270,000.00 minus your per scene cost = $245,200.00 and you have studio costs, advertising, tapes and so forth....And of course hosting.

Now.......

Let's pretend that the additional overhead for bandwidth, etc... is 30% of the $245,200.00 figure.....

$245,200.00 minus 30% = a net profit of $171,640.00 per year for a grand total of 62 scenes shot. In round figures that comes to a profit of $2,768.00 per scene over the first year....Remember that you are selling that scene to others for $400.00 exclusive and you would have to sell the non-exclusive one roughly 7 times...which you and I both know you are not doing. You are working and shooting a hell of a lot more than 62 scenes a year and not profiting $2,768.00 per scene which is extreme low end for the mentioned product.

I have been more than generous with the numbers here considering that I accounted for no profits the first 3 months and zero growth over the other 9 months. There is also no way that your additional overhead would be 30% and if it was, the monthly growth of your sales would way more than balance that out.

So Joe and the others who disagree with me...... How many people do you know who make a 6 figure income based on shooting only 62 videos in a single year and marketing them strictly on the web? More importantly.....Are you making that kind of money for that little effort? If you were then you would not be disagree with me in the first place.

The people who make consistent GOOD money in this business will spend $2000+ for exclusive shoots because they know damn good and well that they will make that back many times over. Those same people most likely update their website at least once a week and they started with at least 10 videos as I have done in my example. That means they are spending a minimum of $124,000.00 per year. What do you think their profit is?

Don't get me wrong...Making 200 grand a year selling non-exclusive content is OK money but it is far from GOOD money considering the amount of work that is actually put into it. Let's also remember that most of the content providers around here are likely making less than $50,000 per year (again I am being generous). The only reason they are not shooting exclusively for themselves is because they can not afford to or they don't know how to market a pay site or plug in. How do I know this? Because I have been there myself but unlike most of these people, I have done my best to listen, learn, and expand my businesses to include things other than simply shooting for others.

The next time you decide to tell me that I am wrong, you may want to open your minds and think about other ways to maximize your profits. Very few of the people who post to this board own their own affiliate programs that are generating even a 6 figure income. Why take business advice from those who are less successful than you? If they knew WTF they were talking about then they would be doing it.

My final thought?Work smarter AND harder.

bigdog

Nice post aaron. I can see why topbucks started their plugin program

AaronM

BTW...You are dead wrong.

Surfers do know the difference and all of the big money programs are aware of this. That's why they all have exclusive content in the first place.

Paul90

Aaron....you are absolutely correct on your views of exclusive content...having been in this biz since late 95 i have had the opportunity to see this first hand...however after retiring from this biz in 2001 to relax i have opened a nightclub...and my ionterest as peaked again as i have a never ending supply of content possibilities! ;-)

I am simply looking for non exclusive to test different types of traffic until we can finish production on enough exclusive to get the program up and running.....

thanks for your insight..

Paul Markham

Reality is a version of the old style, Gonzo.
It's where there is little story line, the girl gets picked up met and fucked, of something.

Usually used also to cover the style of crap or amateur content. IMO where a lot of the producers fall down is the guyl behind the camera is not motivating or directing the models enough.

They can look lost and confuder or even worse bored and unwilling.

For the best examples of this niche look at Ben Dover, Buttman or Ed Powers. All masters of the art of Reality, but they call it Gonzo.

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Paul Markham

Aaron stop talking CRAP.

I make more money shooting non exclusive than you can ever get for an exclusive shot.

When you find a paysite willing to pay $1,000 for a exclusive set of images come and talk to me, I will teach you how to double it.

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andrej_NDC

Not many sponsors are using exclusive content at all, there are still some "dinosaurus" programs out there without exclusive. And also many new. Of course, exclusive is making more money, if the site is really good, it gets a lot of attention, many webmasters, thats the goal about exclusive. But it doesnt mean, you cannot make money with non-exclusive paysites. 10-20k/month/site is sure possible even without many webmasters.

Paul Markham

Exactly marketing is the key.

It youbuy one exclusvie set and stick up the word exclusive all on the tour and BUY GOOD FRESH CONTENT, instead of blow outs and give aways. for 1/5 of the price you can produce a good fresh site that is "EXCLUSIVE" to the surfer hitting it, but it need some work, you can't put up the same old cookie cutter tourla and leave it.

Anyway the idea that a guy ever jerked off to exclusive is the biggest con on to Net, they jerk off to good porn. I sell second right to UK magazines for $500. That's a set that has already been printed in a First Rights magazine.

In a market of 1 million sites how many time does it need to be seen to be saturated, if non exclusive content were saturated content providers would be flying into Miami for the show in the private jets, not closing down every week.

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Paul Markham

Aaron you may be right for most content providers, but for iothers you are 100%. WRONG

Selling porn has been my full time living living since 1988 and part time since 1977.



This set was shot in 1989 and is still selling, to date it has sold 60 times on the net, starting at $35 and now at $5. Even at % it would have made $300.

I've spoken to many people about shooting exclusive and to be honest it's not worth it. Good sets that sell to magazines will make on average $2,000 a set. Then on the net you can reckon 20 times at $35. Total earnings $2,700. Got anyone spending that kind of money for EXCLUSIVE SOLO GIRL SETS?

Tag on a video and you can sell it for a little bit off the net, it's really a hard core market. But add on $500 and then 10 sales at $35 total $850.

TOTAL SALES $3,550. For a solo girl set, shooting two girl will put 25%-35% on these figeure, Boy girl 50%+ But shooting couples is slower.

Bad sets we don't shoot on film and it's a productionline here. Most of the pretty girl sets will sell 10 times and a video 5 times, these are low figures. So reckon on $525 a set/video. Shot 5 of these a day and you are making $2,600

You used laughable figures, from where I'm sitting, to prove your point.

Seriously look at most of those shooting exclusive custom content and then look at us and tell me there's no money in non-exclusive. There's just no money for most of them doing it and the reason is not because it's exclusive or not, it's because it's not good porn.

It might fool the webmaster or even a paysite owner, it might have fooled a surfer 12 months ago, but today it just does not cut it. Buy bad content, exclusive or not, and the surfer will see it for what it is and move on. Buy good content and the surfe rwill see it for what it is and stay.

Be it Playboy style or Reality, TODAY it needs to be GOOD

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FOR SOMEONE STARTING OUT eXCLUSVIE FOR THE WHOLE SITE IS GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE 100 (fuck caps lock)

100 sets will be a very small site and at exclusive that will be $30K, add on some exclusive videos to half the sets at $150 and you're looking at investing $37,500 and those are rock bottom prices and I shudder to think what you wil get for that.

Add in some boy girl and you can be looking at $2,000 each, 10 set/videos = the bast part of $50,000 for content.

Now go out and look at what you can buy for that price. Well my whole inventory for $12,000 plus a years update for $8,000 so you going to be getting up to the minute sets, exclusive for the viewer seeing them for the first 2 months. So there's 1400 set or videos plus 8 new ones a week.

Now where to spend the other $30,000???

So what would you like to be marketing guys, a site with 1400 sets and videos, a lot of them bloody good, with 8 new sets added every week and not over exposed or a site of 150 set or videos shot by someone working for peanuts.

Maybe you could spend the $30,000 on marketing to webmasters. Now we have another side, what will impress an experienced webmaster when considering whether to market a site?

A small site of limited quality, but exclusive. Or a big site of good content with regular updates?

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amacontent

Aaron, hate to say it but you are wrong. You can type all you want , all the equations you want. But Im gonna do upwards of half a million in sales this year , and without a doubt next year will be my 1st 1 million dollar year. I will be spending more on my booths in Vegas that week than most people make in 2 years. I really like you man but in this instance, youve got no clue what you are speaking about. This may be true for others, but not in my instance.

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AaronM

Paul...I am not going to read any of the rest of the shit that you have to say in this thread.

I don't give a rats ass how long you have been shooting porn the fact of the matter is that you are old school and set in your ways. Some of those ways are OK and some of them are really fucked up.

This guy is not talking about photo sets, he is talking about reality content which is typically video. My answer was 100% correct and anybody with half a fucking clue about adult Internet video knows it.

Now...I am done with this thread. I have made my point quite clearly and have even been contacted on ICQ and commended for it by quite a few people.

You think my opinions and the facts that I have posted are wrong...Fine....But that does not make them crap....It makes you ignorant.

But we already knew that now didn't we?

AaronM

Interesting how your figures have more than doubled since you originally contacted me about this thread.

I'm very happy that you and Paul are able to brag about your income. While the two of you are doing that...I am looking towards the future.

Keep thinking inside the box...BOTH of you. Less competition for me.

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LOL keep looking towards the future. When you get there, ill be retired. But you can use my place to shoot in still

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AaronM

Whatever you say Joe.

Paul Markham

But you are still talking small money.

My figures still work for guys who can shoot video properly. They sell region by region, most of them don't even bother with the Internet yet. When they do this market will get a shake up.

We don't do a lot with video because the money for us is in pictures. As for being old school, I don't give a shit about being new school or old school. For an old school boy I came into this market and saw off a few new school boys.

And I never said you were crap, I said you were talking crap.

Amacontent, I thought you were talking about shooting BJ scenes for $400 ansd now you're telling us you turn over $500,000, thate 1250 a year or 3.4 a day, every day of the year. Shit that's hard work.

runningbuffalo nice to see you have the Amateur/reality niche figured out.

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AaronM

No, I am not talking about small money. I referred to one small project that makes 6 figure annual income. Multiply that by several other project with the same income potential or greater and you are easily making over a million a year.

I am not going to post the log between Joe and I but the 500g figure he is spouting off is way different than what he claimed last week.

I respect both of you guys and the fact is that all three of us have different directions that we have chosen to take our companies and I am specificaly speaking about the average content provider which NONE of us are.

Joe could make more money if he applied what I have said and that's the bottom line. As for you Paul, you shoot a lot of Magazine stuff which is way off base from the average thing that Joe or I do.

My honest opinion is that all 3 of us are in a fairly similar income bracket and the next year or two our plans are going to skyrocket if we stick to our guns. Personally, I would like to work with each of you so that we can learn from each others strong points and mistakes.

Now...Go have a cup of tea and fuck your wife you old dog.

amacontent

Maybe I had a good week Aaron. Theres lots Im involved with in this buisness you dont know about.

And if your bottom line was the #1 meathod of success.. you wouldnt have 22,000 posts. You have someone else posting for you.

BTW , to anyone that is thinking me and Aaron is fighting... we are not. This is just a discussion. Aaron has in past showed me some god lil tidbits. And I like him alot. So dont even think about saying anything about this being drama.

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AaronM

Congrats on your stellar week. I wish I could make 1.5 times my current income for this year in only 3 days.

I have 22,000 posts because I do all of my own work. Lots of free time for posting while video is importing, rendering, and encoding.

Unlike you, I don't have the need to hire somebody to spam the boards or brand my name for me. I make enough without dealing with the headaches associated with large volume non-exclusive sales.

Plus...These boards are my playground.

Can we kiss and make up now?

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This is more than reality content?it?s real Gonzo. Hardcore Gonzo.

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