Something Michael Moore Forgot...

[Odin]

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THERE was ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

Who do you think they were? Palestinians? Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely? Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis ? and at least two of them were Israeli intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.

Their discovery and arrest that morning is a matter of indisputable fact. To those who have investigated just what the Israelis were up to that day, the case raises one dreadful possibility: that Israeli intelligence had been shadowing the al-Qaeda hijackers as they moved from the Middle East through Europe and into America where they trained as pilots and prepared to suicide-bomb the symbolic heart of the United States. And the motive? To bind America in blood and mutual suffering to the Israeli cause.

After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli relations. He said: ?It?s very good.? Then he corrected himself, adding: ?Well, it?s not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy [for Israel from Americans].?

If Israel?s closest ally felt the collective pain of mass civilian deaths at the hands of terrorists, then Israel would have an unbreakable bond with the world?s only hyperpower and an effective free hand in dealing with the Palestinian terrorists who had been murdering its innocent civilians as the second intifada dragged on throughout 2001.

It?s not surprising that the New Jersey housewife who first spotted the five Israelis and their white van wants to preserve her anonymity. She?s insisted that she only be identified as Maria. A neighbour in her apartment building had called her just after the first strike on the Twin Towers. Maria grabbed a pair of binoculars and, like millions across the world, she watched the horror of the day unfold.

As she gazed at the burning towers, she noticed a group of men kneeling on the roof of a white van in her parking lot. Here?s her recollection: ?They seemed to be taking a movie. They were like happy, you know ... they didn?t look shocked to me. I thought it was strange.?

Maria jotted down the van?s registration and called the police. The FBI was alerted and soon there was a statewide all points bulletin put out for the apprehension of the van and its occupants. The cops traced the number, establishing that it belonged to a company called Urban Moving.

Police Chief John Schmidig said: ?We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side. Three individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said three people were jumping up and down.?

By 4pm on the afternoon of September 11, the van was spotted near New Jersey?s Giants stadium. A squad car pulled it over and inside were five men in their 20s. They were hustled out of the car with guns levelled at their heads and handcuffed.

In the car was $4700 in cash, a couple of foreign passports and a pair of box cutters ? the concealed Stanley Knife-type blades used by the 19 hijackers who?d flown jetliners into the World Trade Centre and Pentagon just hours before. There were also fresh pictures of the men standing with the smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background. One image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated buildings, like a fan at a pop concert. The driver of the van then told the arresting officers: ?We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem.?



His name was Sivan Kurzberg. The other four passengers were Kurzberg?s brother Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari. The men were dragged off to prison and transferred out of the custody of the FBI?s Criminal Division and into the hands of their Foreign Counterintelligence Section ? the bureau?s anti-espionage squad.

A warrant was issued for a search of the Urban Moving premises in Weehawken in New Jersey. Boxes of papers and computers were removed. The FBI questioned the firm?s Israeli owner, Dominik Otto Suter, but when agents returned to re-interview him a few days later, he was gone. An employee of Urban Moving said his co-workers had laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day they happened. ?I was in tears,? the man said. ?These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, ?Now America knows what we go through.??

Vince Cannistraro, former chief of operations for counter-terrorism with the CIA, says the red flag went up among investigators when it was discovered that some of the Israelis? names were found in a search of the national intelligence database. Cannistraro says many in the US intelligence community believed that some of the Israelis were working for Mossad and there was speculation over whether Urban Moving had been ?set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists?.

This makes it clear that there was no suggestion whatsoever from within American intelligence that the Israelis were colluding with the 9/11 hijackers ? simply that the possibility remains that they knew the attacks were going to happen, but effectively did nothing to help stop them.

After the owner vanished, the offices of Urban Moving looked as if they?d been closed down in a big hurry. Mobile phones were littered about, the office phones were still connected and the property of at least a dozen clients were stacked up in the warehouse. The owner had cleared out his family home in New Jersey and returned to Israel.

Two weeks after their arrest, the Israelis were still in detention, held on immigration charges. Then a judge ruled that they should be deported. But the CIA scuppered the deal and the five remained in custody for another two months. Some went into solitary confinement, all underwent two polygraph tests and at least one underwent up to seven lie detector sessions before they were eventually deported at the end of November 2001. Paul Kurzberg refused to take a lie detector test for 10 weeks, but then failed it. His lawyer said he was reluctant to take the test as he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

Nevertheless, their lawyer, Ram Horvitz, dismissed the allegations as ?stupid and ridiculous?. Yet US government sources still maintained that the Israelis were collecting information on the fundraising activities of groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Mark Regev, of the Israeli embassy in Washington, would have none of that and he said the allegations were ?simply false?. The men themselves claimed they?d read about the World Trade Centre attacks on the internet, couldn?t see it from their office and went to the parking lot for a better view. Their lawyers and the embassy say their ghoulish and sinister celebrations as the Twin Towers blazed and thousands died were due to youthful foolishness.

The respected New York Jewish newspaper, The Forward, reported in March 2002, however, that it had received a briefing on the case of the five Israelis from a US official who was regularly updated by law enforcement agencies. This is what he told The Forward: ?The assessment was that Urban Moving Systems was a front for the Mossad and operatives employed by it.? He added that ?the conclusion of the FBI was that they were spying on local Arabs?, but the men were released because they ?did not know anything about 9/11?.



Back in Israel, several of the men discussed what happened on an Israeli talk show. One of them made this remarkable comment: ?The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event.? But how can you document an event unless you know it is going to happen?

We are now deep in conspiracy theory territory. But there is more than a little circumstantial evidence to show that Mossad ? whose motto is ?By way of deception, thou shalt do war? ? was spying on Arab extremists in the USA and may have known that September 11 was in the offing, yet decided to withhold vital information from their American counterparts which could have prevented the terror attacks.

Following September 11, 2001, more than 60 Israelis were taken into custody under the Patriot Act and immigration laws. One highly placed investigator told Carl Cameron of Fox News that there were ?tie-ins? between the Israelis and September 11; the hint was clearly that they?d gathered intelligence on the planned attacks but kept it to themselves.

The Fox News source refused to give details, saying: ?Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It?s classified information.? Fox News is not noted for its condemnation of Israel; it?s a ruggedly patriotic news channel owned by Rupert Murdoch and was President Bush?s main cheerleader in the war on terror and the invasion of Iraq.

and so on and so on. Why did he forget to mention these facts? I wonder.

[Webby]

Hell.. who knows?

There is little doubt Mossad is embedded in levels of governments. They have ripped so much high tech information out of "defense contractors" - it's embarassing. But little is said of it except on "leaky occasions" and probably most of it is unknown.

But still, we have stange bedfellows and although the US govt are "aware" of this, they still bung Israel millions in aid for some strange reason.

Nothing would be a surprise - this is probably the most effective network intelligence service in the world.

[Fletch XXX]

no, if moore included all this crazy shit he would be more seen as a conspiracy theorist.

everything in the released version of F911 is planned and well researched.

we all know they juggle more apples than they show under the main tent.

[V_RocKs]

Did I ever tell you the one about the kids who are making out in their car in the woods and they here a noise outside and the guy gets out and goes to check it out and is gone for a long time?

How about the one where I was in band camp and this girl stuck her flute up her vagina?

[Webby]

Fletch XXX:

no, if moore included all this crazy shit he would be more seen as a conspiracy theorist.

everything in the released version of F911 is planned and well researched.

we all know they juggle more apples than they show under the main tent.

Agree! Apart from over-cooking the conspiracy shit, Moore appears to have restrained his usual "enthusiasm" a good bit on certain areas. eg.. He "supposed" to have a big load of footage which *may* say more, but chose to exclude it.

Or maybe we will see the sequel

[pxxx]

Interesting read.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Webby
Fletch XXX:



Agree! Apart from over-cooking the conspiracy shit, Moore appears to have restrained his usual "enthusiasm" a good bit on certain areas. eg.. He "supposed" to have a big load of footage which *may* say more, but chose to exclude it.

Or maybe we will see the sequel

sequel?

any DVD buyer knows the version released in theatres is shit to what will be released on DVD.

I bought Bowling For Columbine over the weekend for 9.99 it came with over 4 hours of extra footage.

I expect nothing less than 4 hours of BONUS FOOTAGE for F9111 when it is released on DVD>

[Webby]

V_RocKs:

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How about the one where I was in band camp and this girl stuck her flute up her vagina?
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She only let you watch her with the flute?? All the other guys hit it - without any "instruments"!

[Odin]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
no, if moore included all this crazy shit he would be more seen as a conspiracy theorist.

everything in the released version of F911 is planned and well researched.

we all know they juggle more apples than they show under the main tent.

If Moore included it his career would of went down hill. I don't have the exact research at hand now (although it might mention in that article I posted - I did not read it all for lack of time) but I believe 4 of these 5 Israeli's arrested on Sep 11th also lived in the same street as the Mohammed Atta in the weeks and months preceeding the attacks. After being arrested on Sep 11th they where later pardoned by one Michael Chertoff key player (I think he still holds one of the top, if not the top job) of the Joint Terrorism Taskforce. Chertoff also happens to be Jewish, and without getting into the whole 'Jews rule America' thing, he is an ardent supporter of Israel.

This man, who also worked for the Anti-Defamation League (a very powerful pro-Israeli group) is a very key player in much of the wrongful enforcement of the Patriot Act to this day (I could cite examples that I have read since researching this guy - one of which involved David Dukes recent incaceration after appearing in an anti-Israeli broadcast on Al Jazeera [no I am not a follower of his]). Through detailed research of this information Moore would of had a much more powerful film, that sadly would of sent his career down hill.

[69pornlinks]

he would have been labelled an anti-semite and the turn out woould have been very small...he know the average american is fucking slow, so he must feed them little at a time let them open their pea sized brains so the can further reseach theselves...


old news but fucking intresting with friends like this, america don't need arabs

[baddog]

Originally posted by Chief
Chertoff also happens to be Jewish, and without getting into the whole 'Jews rule America' thing, he is an ardent supporter of Israel.

you know, I was about to believe you up until the time I read this . . . but if you expect me to believe that a Jew is an ardent supporter of Israel, well that is just too much, and I have to call bullshit.