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[ED]

I've heard that it is good to make gateway pages and submit them to SEs. Is that the easiest way to get SE traffic? How much work is involved in getting 5k-10k/day SE traffic. I would really like any tips that you guys may have because I know that SE traffic is the best traffc.


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[Susan]

See recent topic how to make doorway pages

[ED]

But is this the best way to get SE traffic?
Who here gets lots of SE traffic. I'd like to hear from you.

[Lord Assmore]

My 2 cents: Make your main pages really SE friendly (good keyword ratio etc.), and have lots of inbound links from other sites/domains. Link popularity has a great weight in the SE algos nowdays.

[ED]

yea. I've heard that link popularity is more important nowadays.

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[Dopy]

As an ex code writer for engine submission I only use search engines to get traffic. My partner in this recent adult venture has spent over 5 years working with the ever changing top engine formula. In less than 5 weeks we have generated some quality well targeted traffic which has resulted in affiliate sign ups. Before entering into this venture we studied the market very carefully and after making several submit tests to the various TGP's link lists etc very quickly realized the need to apply a more refined method of collecting traffic. If you enter this business without the get rich quick attitude and apply some well proven marketing techniques used by the more professional side of the web you will eventually get quality traffic that's of your own making, converts well and is not controlled by the saturated spaghetti highway.

I am currently working with people from several boards (2 from here) on building a large link popularity chain that should mature late 2001. Sadly, a recent bombing of my mail address with the message "go fuck yourself ha ha ha" followed by several abusive messages has made me reluctant to follow up any more leads. It's a shame that I cannot freely distribute my valuable knowledge without hindrance . I have been posting to non adult boards for many years and never once had problems with abusive mail.

[Juge]

Link popularity is a huge thing for search engines. Has anyone on here attempted to create a mass network of doorway pages that all link to each other, and to all of your sites, just to get them high in the search engine lists?

I know some people are trying to do things like this:

making pages like this: www.jugesbikini.com/doorwaypage1.html www.jugesbikini.com/doorwaypage2.html www.jugesbikini.com/doorwaypage3.html
or this: www.jugesbikini.com/doorwaypage1/ www.jugesbikini.com/doorwaypage2/ www.jugesbikini.com/doorwaypage3/

but don't the SE's know about this? And know you are just fooling them?

Any thoughts?

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[HQ]

also, not to cut this discussion off, you have to submit your pages to search engines in the end, whatever it is you do. what's the best way to do this?

here's what i currently use: http://www.submitcorner.com/
Submit Corner submits to the 34 top SEs for free. Are there better submitting tools i should be aware of? Also, do i have to be leary of submitting a site twice to an SE? I heard stories that a double submital = deletion, but that sounds like bullshit to me.



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[Fart]

"Are there better submitting tools i should be aware of?"

You can bet, yes: submitta.com the one and only. Free as well, editors choice at zd.net

As for double submitting. No problem if you let some time pass through (like a few weeks).

Best engines to work on / to begin with:
Altavista (bout once a week) and all other fast updating engines. At the others you'd need years to figure stuff out coz it takes so long to see results.

[ED]

Takes up to 2 months sometimes.
What up wit dat!!

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[tower397]

wow i didnt know that

[Rip]

I would say for me, I experince 2, 3 and sometimes 4 month cycles in both updates, submissions and link activation

if you have www.mysite.com

and expect that a gate named
www.mysite.com/gatepage1.html 2.html etc is going to increase your link popularity, I would say not much, because it is linking from the root domain

if you get links from www.bobs-site.com and www.anothersite.com and so forth, that is what will count as link popularity

it's really nice to play with auto submission programs and automatic gate page makers, but once you learn the trade, a good hand built page, often has the random elements necessary to give you an astoundingly high rank

[geoff]

ED

not to bust your bubble, but nobody is going to tell you how to get 5-10k SE traffic. Its simply worth too much money. Your best bet is to goto the various SE tip sites around and read read read, and then experiment with different pages.

goodluck

[ED]

Originally posted by geoff:
ED
not to bust your bubble, but nobody is going to tell you how to get 5-10k SE traffic. Its simply worth too much money.

You may notice that I said "How much work is involved in getting 5k-10k/day SE traffic" not "tell me how to get 5k-10k/day"

I'm just wondering if its possible, worth the time, etc.

I'm also just trying to ask the questions needed to help us all out, get the information flowing. Thats what this board is all about.

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[HQ]

thanks Fart!!! i just checked it out and it looks cool. i'll let ya all know what i think of this once a submit a few of my sites thru it.



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[Fart]

I must add Altavista changed the submission form yesterday! Now auto submitting won't work anymore. Everyone using auto submitters deactivate Altavista and submit manually! This can be done with Submitta and most others I believe. At Altavista you now need to get a code first then you can submit 5 URLs then get a code again etc.. It's still free but none of the auto submitters will work right now.

Other important engine to submit to is google.com, and since google gets a lot of results based on dmoz.org you actually should see if you can become a dmoz.org editor. Most people need to apply several times untill they are accepted.

It's common sense that most editors add their own sites too, and it's not forbidden as long as you stay fair. The difference is you won't need to wait and you can make sure that it gets added

[Juge]

Originally posted by Rip:
I would say for me, I experince 2, 3 and sometimes 4 month cycles in both updates, submissions and link activation

if you have www.mysite.com

and expect that a gate named
www.mysite.com/gatepage1.html 2.html etc is going to increase your link popularity, I would say not much, because it is linking from the root domain

if you get links from www.bobs-site.com and www.anothersite.com and so forth, that is what will count as link popularity

it's really nice to play with auto submission programs and automatic gate page makers, but once you learn the trade, a good hand built page, often has the random elements necessary to give you an astoundingly high rank

Hey Rip,

what's up?

This is the topic I was touching on. Doesn't the search engines know that you are fucking with them by linking like that (i.e. all on the same domain)? I assume they do. I know they do, every page links to it's subpages, so why give more popularity to pages that have a bunch of subpages? That doesn't make sense unless all the subpages have really different content.

So... how do doorway pages work then? Do you live with that the SE know about this, and do it anyway? Or do you do it anyway on a bunch of domains, and link every doorway page on every domain to every other doorway that you've made. You know what I mean? To repeat myself: I am aware that linking from domain to domain means the links mean more. But do you still make a few doorway pages on each domain anyway, and then mass - network them all together?

It's funny how getting good SE traffic is like cheating the engines. You probably want to bet your ass that SE are trying to stop this. Perhaps this is why altavista changes their form every so often? so that the auto-submitters do not work so easily?


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[Lord Assmore]

I think that the SE:s have one more condition: Link popularity only counts if the inter-linked domains each have their dedicated IP addresses, i.e. if two domains link each other but share IP addresses there is no boost.

Actually, the single most important thing for SE optimization to work is that your domain is hosted from a dedicated IP #. If you're on a free host, it's most likely a complete waste of time trying to optimize your pages for the SE:s

[This message has been edited by Lord Assmore (edited 03-26-2001).]

[wolfshade]

Doorway pages are history

Mini sites are the new deal

Wolfshade


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[Lord Assmore]

Wolfshade, by 'mini site', do you mean the type of site that constitutes 80% of the listings at GreenGuy's Link-o-rama, Richard's Realm etc? One warning page, one main page, and three gallery pages with 10 thumbs each?

[This message has been edited by Lord Assmore (edited 03-26-2001).]

[wolfshade]

Just a collection of about 5 pages linked together what you put on it is not important as long as it has the important keywords

Wolfshade


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[ED]

please explain these "mini sites".


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[Juge]

Originally posted by Lord Assmore:
I think that the SE:s have one more condition: Link popularity only counts if the inter-linked domains each have their dedicated IP addresses, i.e. if two domains link each other but share IP addresses there is no boost.

Actually, the single most important thing for SE optimization to work is that your domain is hosted from a dedicated IP #. If you're on a free host, it's most likely a complete waste of time trying to optimize your pages for the SE:s[This message has been edited by Lord Assmore (edited 03-26-2001).]

Dammit, that sucks. But good strategy for search engines. I have a dedicated, but all my sites share the same IP. I wonder if it would be worth the time to get an additional IP for each domain. It costs me around $2 extra / month for each IP. But is it worth the hassles of messing with so many IPs on the server? Maybe it's no bother at all once it's set up. Has anyone managed a server with tons of IPs?

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[phon]

certainly don't use autosubmitters
they claim to add your site to thousadns of search engines while you can get the same result by submitting to only ten major engines by hand.

sometimes mass submitting even get you banned temporary or permanent.

the best tool involving search engine placement is defenitaly WebPosition Gold
that prog has a constantly updated database about what all the major searhc engines want and how to get and keep you top10 spot for a certain keyword.
i once built a page with it that got number 1 on "free nude pictures" on aolsearch.
it costs $149 but it is certainly worth the cost.

oh yeah
url is , http://www.webposition.com

[wolfshade]

Mini sites:

create 5 page

example:

1 warning page
1 main page with links to
1 links page
1 Contact page(page with email addy and a disclaimer whatever....)
1 full page ad page

All links on the pages should lead to your real site and then you submit it to teh SE's

All 5 pages

THen you build the next and the following day you submit that one and build another one etc.............

Make each mini site keyword specific for better targetting

It works great

Wolfshade


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[Lord Assmore]

Wolfshade, do you have an URL that illustrates this creation of utter ingenuity? Seems definitely to be worth a try!

[This message has been edited by Lord Assmore (edited 03-26-2001).]

[Web_Mistress]

I have also heard with doorway pages, NOT to submit them to the search engines, because they will realize what they are.

HOWEVER, if you put a link to them on your sites, using the targeted keyword, the doorway page created with those keywords, their spider will follow the links and they will think they "discovered" a new site.



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[wolfshade]

Sure,

The idea is to build, submit and forget them, so I'll have to look up a few URL's

In the mean time while on the subject of Search Engines, a lot of you might think that now Doorway pages are detected by searchengines they are worthless.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

Submit all your doorway pages to FFA sites, that will increase your link popularity because FFA sites are often very well listed on SE's and this will inturn crank up your listings on the searchengines.

Also when you're gonna hit FFA pages be ruthless, they get autosubmitted to so often that links stay up there for a few hours and sometimes less, so submit your pages multiple times a day!

Need a submitter? try a few at http://www.davecentral.com

There! For longer posts I start charging

Cheers,
Wolfshade


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[HQ]

Web_Mistress, good point. i have also heard that SE's will detect doorway pages for what they are. but now i'm not too sure of that. if it is true, your solution is very good, none-the-less.

wolfshade, mini sites are an excellent idea too! this gets out of the above problem as well. something very similar to what i was discussing a few days ago. instead of doorways, why not make them a real site (or 'mini site')

phon, how many hits/day did you get off that #1 listing for free nude pictures?

and last but not least, Lord Assmore... all my fucking sites are on the same IP. i'm stuck with the same shit as Juge. it would suck to do work that just gets ignored due to identical IPs on all my sites... but also, usually 100s of gateways ARE on the same IP, fuck they are under the same domain name right? so how do these gateway pages (that i'm assuming all link to each other) get pushed up due to link popularity? or is that something gateways DON'T do?

thx,
great tips coming out in this thread...


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[HQ]

wolfshade, what are FFA sites? sounds like they are link sites that just link the last submitted link the highest...



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[ED]

All my sites are on the same IP as well.
Getting some good info here. Keep it rollin.


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[Juge]

Originally posted by wolfshade:
...All links on the pages should lead to your real site and then you submit it to teh SE's...

Hey Wolfshade,

when you say 'all links' do you really mean 'ALL links'? Every link on the those 5 'fake' pages link to your site? maybe the SE's will eventually look for this, and penalize you for it.


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[HQ]

wolfshade, what submitters have you tried at http://www.davecentral.com? any i should look for. i'm messing with http://submitta.com/ right now. it asks for personal information though. what do i put in for that crap? i've filled them all in with "N/A" so far. i wonder if that will effect my listing on SEs?



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[ED]

Juge. I was just checking your stats. You seem to have peaked at about 20k-24k/day.

Man. i was just checking your stats... you get up to 24 k fast dude. I was checking last month... you were at 12k (where i am) and then in only 13 days you had doubled your traffic to 24 k.

Good job dude.
Maybe you can share some tips with me, in exchange for all the ideas you've already stolen from me... just kidding big guy. you da man and you know it.

Have a good one.


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[phon]

hq : got bout 600 hits/day from that number #1 spot. not that much but i liked it

ffa pages are an promotion tool that was extensively used in the past.

it comes down to on page with a reaally long list of links, and everybody is free to submit its link to the page.

but don't be fooled , these ffa pages are only visited by webmasters posting their link, so basically it's only good to post it if you want to increase your link popularity, not if you are expecting any hits from it.

and another thing : hq , what script do you use to arrange your traffic ? or do you wrote it yourself ? if you wrote it yourself, think i can write mine too ? or is it reaaally complicated ?

thx,
phon

[Fart]

HQ, I'm using Submitta for more than a year now. The infos such as name, email etc. are needed for engines who ask for that, such as excite which is asking for name and email, for instance. And almost all directories (such as yahoo) ask for some personal detail. Fill in stuff such as [email protected] and fantasy names if you don't want to spread you real name. It's much asked from the engines anyway to get your real details just for submitting a page.

[HQ]

phon, 600 hits/day from one search is really good! how much are you getting now-a-days? did your hits/day from that SE spot increase or deminish over time?

so FFA pages are a links page where everyone gets bumped down as soon as another webmaster posts his site again? I see how that would help link popularity. It would make more sense for me to make my own links page however... basically these gateway pages, FFA pages, 'mini site' pages, are all almost the same thing... basically just get as many sites in the SE as possible and make sure they all link to each other.

also, i wrote the script that runs HQ's Daily Nude. i learned and programmed my script in perl very quickly. remember though, my script does nothing more than order my referrers, so it is very basic. ...besides for learning file permissions and very very basic concurrent programming concepts (two instances of your script running simultaneously due to 2 or more visitors hitting your site simultaneously which means they both can't write to a file at the same time), it's the easiest language i've ever programmed in!

i have a webmaster friend who has trouble understanding html code... no offense to him what-so-ever, but he couldn't code a tracker if he spent his entire life trying... others i know only took one day to write a referrer script. can you do it? i don't fucking know!!!

if you've ever programmed before, it'll be easy to learn simple perl. check out http://www.cgi101.com/ or buy the book and try to write a non-unique counter. you'll have a better understanding after that.

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[This message has been edited by HQ (edited 03-27-2001).]

[HQ]

Fart, cool... i didn't think it mattered if i submitted real info. but i was wondering if they email address should be real or not? would they ever email you? i guess you'd never know with your [email protected] emails!

thx dude,


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[ED]

I constructed my own tracker also... but of course, it is unimaginably more complex, intricate, and infinitely convoluted compared to HQ's script .
It is quite possible that you could consider it labyrinthine.
No ordinary person could begin to perceive and comprehend the nature and significance of the perplexing algorithms comprising my script.

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[Juge]

Originally posted by ED:
Juge. I was just checking your stats. You seem to have peaked at about 20k-24k/day.

Man. i was just checking your stats... you get up to 24 k fast dude. I was checking last month... you were at 12k (where i am) and then in only 13 days you had doubled your traffic to 24 k.

Good job dude.
Maybe you can share some tips with me, in exchange for all the ideas you've already stolen from me... just kidding big guy. you da man and you know it.

Have a good one.

Thanks, Ed. In return for all the things I've stolen from your most awesome site and your most awesome brain, I will let you in on the secret... pppppsssssppp.... sssssspspssssssspsp.... now, how easy is that?!

Now give me your infinitely complex scripting algorthims, and we'll both be happy.

But seriously, I hopefully will be able to get my other 2 sites up to that amount - I haven't had the time to start serious work on them, yet...

This search engine stuff is so interesting though, it makes me wonder if it's better to spend my time on this, instead...

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[Juge]

Originally posted by phon:
hq : got bout 600 hits/day from that number #1 spot. not that much but i liked it

ffa pages are an promotion tool that was extensively used in the past.

hey Phon, what's up?

600/day is great. Is this from resubmitting to the FFA pages everyday, so that your link doesn't get dropped? Is this just an easy way of getting linked up from other domains on different IPs? What does FFA stand for anyway?

Thanks,



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[Lord Assmore]

Sign up for a real email address at hotmail, yahoo etc. and use that one for submission purposes only.

Some directories and SE:s (e.g. Scrub the Web) send you a confirmative mail after you've submmitted your site and drops it if your address was fake and their message bounces.

[Juge]

Originally posted by Lord Assmore:
Sign up for a real email address at hotmail, yahoo etc. and use that one for submission purposes only.

Some directories and SE:s (e.g. Scrub the Web) send you a confirmative mail after you've submmitted your site and drops it if your address was fake and their message bounces.

DEFINATELY do this. Has anyone but me tried thepromoter.com? Except to get 250 junk emails the next day, so make sure you use another email address. You gotta place their banner up on your site, too, on the main page, though. But they didn't except frame sites - so their banner on my main page didn't work. What did I do? I put it in my index.html... which actually hides the thing, and then it worked... I haven't used them in a while, even they they state to re-submit once a month, so maybe by now they have upgraded their service.

But make sure you don't give these people your real email - even just from SE replying back about submission acceptance or rejections are a pain to sort through.


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[Juge]

oooh, looks like I found a little bug in the forum script when you quote someone who has bolded his text... Tanker, Wizzo? You going to reprogram this thing or what?


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[Juge]

Originally posted by ED:
I constructed my own tracker also... but of course, it is unimaginably more complex, intricate, and infinitely convoluted compared to HQ's script .
It is quite possible that you could consider it labyrinthine.
No ordinary person could begin to perceive and comprehend the nature and significance of the perplexing algorithms comprising my script.

Are you God? Is God's name 'Ed'? Amazing! Everyone, God,... er Ed,... is now posting on this forum. Let's listen to him and his infinite wisdom.

It's not easy being God. Yes, you do have the advantages of having infinite wisdom and knowledge. Yet, you also have to consider a infinite number of decisions, where, in contrast, we only need consider a few, and if we choose the wrong one, we just say 'oh well, we're only human'.

You have a LOT to live up to God, er, Ed. Let's see if you do.

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[This message has been edited by Juge (edited 03-27-2001).]

[ED]

Originally posted by Juge:
Are you God?

NO

It's not easy being God.

Maybe not for you but I think i could pull it off.

You have a LOT to live up to God, er, Ed. Let's see if you do.

Again. I am not God. But being ED.... i still have a lot to live up to


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[This message has been edited by ED (edited 03-27-2001).]

[rhizome]

I just want to comment on what has been said about doorway pages. Doorway pages are definitely not dead. And there is nothing wrong with them so long as they contain content - and text counts as content. As long as you write coherent paragraphs with about 200 words of text, it is not spam. As for submitting multiple doorway pages, this is fine so long as you use each one to target a different keyword. If you're using multiple doorway pages for the same keyword, try to keep each page at least 5kb in size apart from each other doorway page with the same keyword. SEs love doorway pages that are informative as an SE is not a directory. Just think, if you were searching for a specific book, would you rather have Amazon.com be displayed as the first result or a single page describing and reviewing the book with a link at the bottom pointing to Amazon.com where you can buy the book and also find books of a similar nature.

Mini sites are great too but the only real advantage they have over doorway pages is the fact that you can also submit them to DMOZ as many SEs will give a site a higher ranking if it is linked by Dmoz - also, a DMOZ site is guaranteed a spot in Aol, Netscape, and others.

Many SEs will also cut submissions off at a certain point if you submit too many pages from a given IP. However, you really don't have to worry about this until you get up into the hundreds. By the time you get there, you should have a pretty good idea of what you're doing and should be seeing pretty good returns. At that point, you can go out and start grabbing domains and set up a hosting account that gives unique IPs for each domain without worrying about the security of this investment.

[deluxe]

I heard about ffablaster.com from a friend, submits to ffa (freeforall) pages automaticly, they claim to have 26000 pages indexed...

[deluxe]

I'm downloading it now and will keep you informed...

[deluxe]

Well i've posted my link to 1500+ pages now, what will hapen???

link popularity???