When programs list their "best converting sites" - do you trust them? - GoFuckYourself.com

polish_aristocrat · 07-01-2004, 04:03 PM

Many sponsors list their "best conversing sites" for a week etc - do you think these charts are accurate, or do they simply want to encourage us to promote some of their new sites?

And second question - assuming they are the real best converting sites..do you think it is worth taking a look at them and deciding what promote, or do you think it's not accurate at all, since everyone has different kind of traffic and sometimes the sites listed as best converters are simply promoted only by a few webmasters who have some very targetted traffic....but it doesnt mean they would convert the best with "general traffic"?

Any opinions?

Tempest · 07-01-2004, 04:30 PM

Honestly.. There's only a one sponsor that I trust. Sad but true.

I think those charts may be "real" but they seem to reflect more the actual popularity of particular niches and the eb and flow of what people are promoting. i.e. someone with a ton of traffic sees some god concversions on a site that's not even in the top 10, they dump their traffic to it and suddenly it's in the top 10.

Nice marketing tools to get the newbies/IQ challenged though. Sort of like stating conversion rates of 1:25 and it's actually the PIS or Join page conversions and not the Raw hits which is what we truly care about.

Tom_PMs · 07-01-2004, 04:38 PM

For me it's less a trust thing and more of an "it's useless without more data" thing..

That is, supposed it's skewed from a targetted optin mailer from a partner sponsor sent to 3 million people with a conversion rate of 1:200? How does that help me if I'm using PPC and sending a few hundred hits a day? lol

Opposite could be true as well, such as 10 partner sponsors sending to 1 site from consoles and slaughtering the overall ratio which might otherwise be pretty good.

You get my point..

FlyingIguana · 07-01-2004, 05:01 PM

i only trust myself

Ice · 07-01-2004, 05:02 PM

what they say are their best converting are not my best converting. Its about knowing your traffic and what works best with it.

BradM · 07-01-2004, 05:04 PM

What Ice said. Promote what works best for YOUR traffic.

EDIT: besides the way some new programs launch you have to wonder if more than 5 guys are pushing ANY traffic at all ;)

StarkReality · 07-01-2004, 05:15 PM

Yup, right, don't give too much on the ratios other see for a certain site, you have to sell it. People make tons of cash with it ? Fine, but it's the cash in your own pockets that counts.

SomeCreep · 07-01-2004, 06:36 PM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
Many sponsors list their "best conversing sites" for a week etc - do you think these charts are accurate, or do they simply want to encourage us to promote some of their new sites?

And second question - assuming they are the real best converting sites..do you think it is worth taking a look at them and deciding what promote, or do you think it's not accurate at all, since everyone has different kind of traffic and sometimes the sites listed as best converters are simply promoted only by a few webmasters who have some very targetted traffic....but it doesnt mean they would convert the best with "general traffic"?

Any opinions?

A site that is "converting best" does not mean much, because you do not know how people are promoting it. For example, say someone builds a custom tour and links directly to the join page. Although his first page may be getting 1000 hits/day, the actual join page would only be getting around around 50 hits/day. Then say he gets 3 signups a day. Sponsor stats would show join page hits only, hence a ratio of 1:16.

07-01-2004, 04:03 PM	#1
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	When programs list their "best converting sites" - do you trust them? Many sponsors list their "best conversing sites" for a week etc - do you think these charts are accurate, or do they simply want to encourage us to promote some of their new sites? And second question - assuming they are the real best converting sites..do you think it is worth taking a look at them and deciding what promote, or do you think it's not accurate at all, since everyone has different kind of traffic and sometimes the sites listed as best converters are simply promoted only by a few webmasters who have some very targetted traffic....but it doesnt mean they would convert the best with "general traffic"? Any opinions? __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

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Ice Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny California Posts: 26,053	what they say are their best converting are not my best converting. Its about knowing your traffic and what works best with it. __________________ icq 1904905

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StarkReality Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Posts: 4,444	Yup, right, don't give too much on the ratios other see for a certain site, you have to sell it. People make tons of cash with it ? Fine, but it's the cash in your own pockets that counts. Last edited by StarkReality; 07-01-2004 at 05:16 PM..

07-01-2004, 04:30 PM	#2
Tempest Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: West Coast, Canada. Posts: 10,217	Honestly.. There's only a one sponsor that I trust. Sad but true. I think those charts may be "real" but they seem to reflect more the actual popularity of particular niches and the eb and flow of what people are promoting. i.e. someone with a ton of traffic sees some god concversions on a site that's not even in the top 10, they dump their traffic to it and suddenly it's in the top 10. Nice marketing tools to get the newbies/IQ challenged though. Sort of like stating conversion rates of 1:25 and it's actually the PIS or Join page conversions and not the Raw hits which is what we truly care about.

07-01-2004, 04:38 PM	#3
Tom_PMs Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,049	For me it's less a trust thing and more of an "it's useless without more data" thing.. That is, supposed it's skewed from a targetted optin mailer from a partner sponsor sent to 3 million people with a conversion rate of 1:200? How does that help me if I'm using PPC and sending a few hundred hits a day? lol Opposite could be true as well, such as 10 partner sponsors sending to 1 site from consoles and slaughtering the overall ratio which might otherwise be pretty good. You get my point..

07-01-2004, 05:01 PM	#4
FlyingIguana aspiring banker Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: toronto Posts: 10,870	i only trust myself

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BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	What Ice said. Promote what works best for YOUR traffic. EDIT: besides the way some new programs launch you have to wonder if more than 5 guys are pushing ANY traffic at all ;)