Hoes.com Sponsor Stats For June - GoFuckYourself.com

mb · 07-01-2004, 08:33 AM

Hi,

The big programs continue to perform very well. I did have to lower weightings for a couple of huge ones though. And I must say Reality Porn continues to convert better than anything else. Way better! It will be interesting to see how that portion of the industry evolves. One other little note: We increased our minimum unique count to 8000. I think it refines the list a bit better.

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Hoes.com Sponsor Stats June 2004:
http://www.hoes.com/sponsors/
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Here is what this is all about for those of you who haven't seen our thread before:

Because we advertise so many sites across so many niches using so many sponsors, the many webmasters who submit to us daily tend to ask who we recommend for reliability and conversion success.

Instead of just posting links to a few of our favorites, we decided to compile our stats from month to month and post them for all to see. Basically, we offer a ranking of the top 20 or so sponsors that converted for us during the month.

We plan to update this every month and hope that it helps a few of you to make an educated decision about which sponsors to advertise.

marc
hoes.com

LauraLee · 07-01-2004, 08:45 AM

mb,
Nice compilation of stats and info.
It's great to see our stuff doing so well for you. Have you had a chance to peep our new addidtion:
http://www.ispycameltoe.com/?wm_login=accountname&cf=y

Will you icq me, i want to ask your opinion on something we have in the works.
Much appreciation- Laura Lee
157561298

Mutt · 07-01-2004, 09:04 AM

nice.

why are you not sending traffic to PureCash?

if you are sending traffic to any single model sites and not sending to SweetLittleBlonde, you are just throwing money away - up to 35 bucks on a trial signup for a single model amateur site. nobody comes close to this.

honestly, i wasn't even aware of this until yesterday and I talk to MikeAI every day. i just didn't believe you could pay out 35 bucks on a trial signup to a single model site so I assumed the payout was still 20 bucks.

Sly_RJ · 07-01-2004, 09:08 AM

Awesome, I love when you guys post your stats. Gives something to compare to!

Vitasoy · 07-01-2004, 09:13 AM

Nice, always like these types of pages.

Groove · 07-01-2004, 09:15 AM

Thanks. Interesting numbers

Site-specific stats would be even better

mb · 07-01-2004, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LauraLee
mb,
Nice compilation of stats and info.
It's great to see our stuff doing so well for you. Have you had a chance to peep our new addidtion:
http://www.ispycameltoe.com/?wm_login=accountname&cf=y

Will you icq me, i want to ask your opinion on something we have in the works.
Much appreciation- Laura Lee
157561298

Yes, I noticed that site yesterday. Trying to figure out what category to place it in!

hitting you up on icq now.

marc

kmanrox · 07-01-2004, 09:25 AM

damn.. adult.com gets owned with last place 2 months in a row... perhaps you're marketing them wrong?

rocki · 07-01-2004, 09:48 AM

* Marc's Notes: I'd first like to mention how well Traffic Cash Gold continues to perform. If you aren't promoting their reality sites, you're definately missing out on a nice chunk of change.

WOOT WOOT

gornyhuy · 07-01-2004, 09:58 AM

Great stuff, thanks for the info!

mb · 07-01-2004, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
nice.

why are you not sending traffic to PureCash?

if you are sending traffic to any single model sites and not sending to SweetLittleBlonde, you are just throwing money away - up to 35 bucks on a trial signup for a single model amateur site. nobody comes close to this.

honestly, i wasn't even aware of this until yesterday and I talk to MikeAI every day. i just didn't believe you could pay out 35 bucks on a trial signup to a single model site so I assumed the payout was still 20 bucks.

Just signed up with Purecash. I've actually been meaning to do that! Looks like they have some nice reality sites in their offering.

marc

fris · 07-01-2004, 11:23 AM

nice stuff mb! just submitted another free site.

love the traffic

Mutt · 07-01-2004, 11:24 AM

thanks marc. i think you will be pleased with the results.

Tuga · 07-01-2004, 11:25 AM

Your stats page from last month was really usefull to me, thanks

Pornopat · 07-01-2004, 11:34 AM

Thank you for sharing.

Mutt · 07-01-2004, 11:36 AM

yeah i love when guys post pages like this, guys who aren't affiliated with any program

Mike AI · 07-01-2004, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mb
Just signed up with Purecash. I've actually been meaning to do that! Looks like they have some nice reality sites in their offering.

marc

MB if you have any questions about PureCash, need anything to help you promote, or just want to chat - feel free to hit me up.

michael at hirise dot com

I promise that you will be happy with conversions.

SweetLilBlonde is converting like MAD.

Why settle for 60% revshare or $30 for $20 trials??

We are the only company to pay $35 on $2.95 trials for single girl sites.

bawdy · 07-01-2004, 12:07 PM

marc,

how are the ratios calculated?

are they your out stats? or what the sponsor is recording?

If its the sponsor is it possible to identify which are first page uniques and which are second page?

thanks... i will signup under for a couple of those sponsors

mb · 07-01-2004, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bawdy
marc,

how are the ratios calculated?

are they your out stats? or what the sponsor is recording?

If its the sponsor is it possible to identify which are first page uniques and which are second page?

thanks... i will signup under for a couple of those sponsors

That's a very good idea and has been asked before. Let me look into getting that into the next installment or even making a mod to this one.

marc

Basic_man · 07-01-2004, 12:28 PM

thanks for sharing mate !

Chris · 07-01-2004, 12:29 PM

Aww how come no pill love from ya guys?
if you want to try out pills for a month try out
www.pillsbucks.com

webgurl · 07-01-2004, 01:08 PM

hey mb
Nice to see we still made it on your toplist !!
Thanks for sharing

BTW , hit me up if you like a shirt i got some pics for you the logo is pretty cool i have both ladies and guys

jscott · 07-01-2004, 01:16 PM

i too love checking out your stats, thanks for posting

angelsofporn · 07-01-2004, 01:53 PM

why is skintraffic not in that list

Sylver7 · 07-01-2004, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mb
That's a very good idea and has been asked before. Let me look into getting that into the next installment or even making a mod to this one.

marc

The problem here is that 2 of the 3 top sponsors in that list either count second page hits or shave hits. This makes it appear that they have better conversions than they really do. So when a another sponor sees this they figure that maybe thay should manipulate the stats as well. This is not good for anyone that wants an honest gauge of what their traffic is doing. It's a nice idea mb but really would not do webmasters a service unless you took into account the true ratios.

mb · 07-01-2004, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by angelsofporn
why is skintraffic not in that list

I signed up today for your program, but I need console free tours to list the sites.

thanks,
marc

S.A.K. · 07-01-2004, 02:10 PM

Marc,

I have 10+ exclusive/relaity sites available to promote in beta paying $35 per trial.. Hit me up on ICQ (174199500) so I can hook you up. I dont think you will be dissapointed.

mb · 07-01-2004, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by S.A.K.
Marc,

I have 10+ exclusive/relaity sites available to promote in beta paying $35 per trial.. Hit me up on ICQ (174199500) so I can hook you up. I dont think you will be dissapointed.

Can you offer console-free tours? I'm almost exclusively going that route these days.

thanks,

marc

grumpy · 07-01-2004, 03:43 PM

we need more creative spam.

S.A.K. · 07-01-2004, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mb
Can you offer console-free tours? I'm almost exclusively going that route these days.

thanks,

marc

Yes of course!

ShellyCrash · 07-01-2004, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sylver7
The problem here is that 2 of the 3 top sponsors in that list either count second page hits or shave hits. This makes it appear that they have better conversions than they really do. So when a another sponor sees this they figure that maybe thay should manipulate the stats as well. This is not good for anyone that wants an honest gauge of what their traffic is doing. It's a nice idea mb but really would not do webmasters a service unless you took into account the true ratios.

I know I'm going to sound like an idiot but... what are shave hits?

polish_aristocrat · 07-01-2004, 03:51 PM

ARS Champs converts better than Silver Cash, TCG or ARS 4 Real?
Are you using any special advertising for them ( some extra traffic pre-filtering )

mb · 07-01-2004, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
ARS Champs converts better than Silver Cash, TCG or ARS 4 Real?
Are you using any special advertising for them ( some extra traffic pre-filtering )

I have a couple of points to make in response to your question.

First, I probably should not include ARS Champs in the stats because they offer such a wide range of niches designed by so many different designers. It's really hard to create a baseline with the program that everyone can go off of. I may go ahead and pull it tonight just thinking about it.

Secondly, when comparing the results of different sponsors, please pay special attention to the "Traffic Weighting". It is one of the most important things I list. ARS Champs can be compared in somes ways to the results of both SilverCash and ARS4Real simply because all of these programs receive a small amount of traffic from hoes.com (just over the 8k threshold). It in no way compares to Traffic Cash Gold, which has a 1 weighting. I'd rather not give out the minimum for a 1 weighting, but let's just say it's pretty massive.

So look at the stats I present as being broken down into 5 sections. Based on the weighting of 1-5. A weighting of 1, however, can be fairly compared to a 2, but a 1 and 3 should be taken with a grain of salt and a 1 and 5 have nothing to compare.

I hope this helps!

I try to provide as much information as possible in the stats without actually giving away how much money I make in the month.

marc

cool1g · 07-01-2004, 05:38 PM

Marc - i read your statement about going all non-console...do you believe that the surfer gets so pissed off that the typical $5 lower PPS payout is more than made up from by higher conversions and/or higher stickiness of your site?

Aquarius · 07-01-2004, 05:50 PM

Nice numbers, thanks for sharing.

Peacemaker · 07-01-2004, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ShellyCrash
I know I'm going to sound like an idiot but... what are shave hits?

i think he means when a sponsor "decreases" the incomhing hits (or clicks). that would make the ratio higher

emmanuelle · 07-01-2004, 06:49 PM

Very nice- thanks again for sharing.
I know that it would be a lot of work, but I would love to see someone do something similar with revshare instead of PPS.
I'd love to learn the retention rates of some programs, as well as the opportunity to stack our's up against others.

XPorn · 07-01-2004, 08:27 PM

Gotta love WEG! Nice stats again.....gotta get mine together!

XPorn
FreeSiteXXX.com

ShellyCrash · 07-01-2004, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peacemaker
i think he means when a sponsor "decreases" the incomhing hits (or clicks). that would make the ratio higher

Thanks- I was thinking maybe it was something with linking to a second page or something- I didn't understand what he was getting at.

Peaches · 07-01-2004, 09:07 PM

Great stats, Marc

Since you're signing up for PureCash, next month we can see Weg and Pure as 1 and 2

mb · 07-02-2004, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cool1g
Marc - i read your statement about going all non-console...do you believe that the surfer gets so pissed off that the typical $5 lower PPS payout is more than made up from by higher conversions and/or higher stickiness of your site?

Yes, I think going no-console can be a win-win. Surfers have the opportunity to click on a site and go back to check out another one if they didn't like the first one. It allows the opportunity for a better shopping experience. A more NORMAL shopping experience. Just like if you were shopping for a suit and went into a store to try on a few things, but didn't find what you wanted at the first store and as you walked out the door, someone grabbed you and brought you back in to look at more suits and this process continued 5 or 6 times. You would probably just go the fuck home and call it a day. Well, the same thing happens online.

In my case, it also helps with bookmarkers. They know they can click on links and not worry about popups blasting them so they come back often.

marc

polish_aristocrat · 07-02-2004, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mb
Yes, I think going no-console can be a win-win. Surfers have the opportunity to click on a site and go back to check out another one if they didn't like the first one. It allows the opportunity for a better shopping experience. A more NORMAL shopping experience. Just like if you were shopping for a suit and went into a store to try on a few things, but didn't find what you wanted at the first store and as you walked out the door, someone grabbed you and brought you back in to look at more suits and this process continued 5 or 6 times. You would probably just go the fuck home and call it a day. Well, the same thing happens online.

In my case, it also helps with bookmarkers. They know they can click on links and not worry about popups blasting them so they come back often.

marc

Cannot you be opening f.e sponsor links in a new window...so that the visitors still have your page opened when they close the sponsor's site and its consoles?

mb · 07-02-2004, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
Cannot you be opening f.e sponsor links in a new window...so that the visitors still have your page opened when they close the sponsor's site and its consoles?

Certainly, but the annoyance of the popups, spyware, dialers, etc... has already taken it's toll. Why would they dare to click on another link if they knew the shit experience they just went through 'could' easily happen again.

Alot of people say "fuck the surfer". I say, "give the surfer a bj and make them feel at home". Trust me, they buy more when you do that.

marc

S.A.K. · 07-02-2004, 10:22 AM

marc not sure if you hit me up as my ICQ was on the fritz but just wanted to let you new that i definitely do offer no console tours

David! · 07-02-2004, 10:24 AM

I do not see StupidCash in there

xxxjay · 07-02-2004, 10:25 AM

Good to see we are not stepping on each others dicks to hard again!

Nice stats!

mb · 07-02-2004, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
Good to see we are not stepping on each others dicks to hard again!

Nice stats!

Probably just a little with TCG and Topbucks, but fuck, can you blame me?

marc

teomaxxx · 07-02-2004, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ShellyCrash
I know I'm going to sound like an idiot but... what are shave hits?

the sponsors that count only second page uniques (and mb has a lot of these sponsors in his stats) in order to look their ratio better, eg. topbucks 1:400 means in reality around 1:1000-1200 first page clicks.
MB i think your stats are useless if you dont track hits on your own and comparing only hits from stats that were provided to you by your sponsors

07-01-2004, 08:33 AM	#1
mb Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,550	Hoes.com Sponsor Stats For June Hi, The big programs continue to perform very well. I did have to lower weightings for a couple of huge ones though. And I must say Reality Porn continues to convert better than anything else. Way better! It will be interesting to see how that portion of the industry evolves. One other little note: We increased our minimum unique count to 8000. I think it refines the list a bit better. --------------------------------------------- Hoes.com Sponsor Stats June 2004: http://www.hoes.com/sponsors/ --------------------------------------------- Here is what this is all about for those of you who haven't seen our thread before: Because we advertise so many sites across so many niches using so many sponsors, the many webmasters who submit to us daily tend to ask who we recommend for reliability and conversion success. Instead of just posting links to a few of our favorites, we decided to compile our stats from month to month and post them for all to see. Basically, we offer a ranking of the top 20 or so sponsors that converted for us during the month. We plan to update this every month and hope that it helps a few of you to make an educated decision about which sponsors to advertise. marc hoes.com

07-01-2004, 08:45 AM	#2
LauraLee Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: (Still) One Touch Cockie Posts: 3,821	mb, Nice compilation of stats and info. It's great to see our stuff doing so well for you. Have you had a chance to peep our new addidtion: http://www.ispycameltoe.com/?wm_login=accountname&cf=y Will you icq me, i want to ask your opinion on something we have in the works. Much appreciation- Laura Lee 157561298 __________________ Priority Payout skype lauralee.bunker LL's Email

07-01-2004, 09:04 AM	#3
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	nice. why are you not sending traffic to PureCash? if you are sending traffic to any single model sites and not sending to SweetLittleBlonde, you are just throwing money away - up to 35 bucks on a trial signup for a single model amateur site. nobody comes close to this. honestly, i wasn't even aware of this until yesterday and I talk to MikeAI every day. i just didn't believe you could pay out 35 bucks on a trial signup to a single model site so I assumed the payout was still 20 bucks. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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07-01-2004, 09:13 AM	#5
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07-01-2004, 09:15 AM	#6
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07-01-2004, 09:25 AM	#8
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07-01-2004, 09:48 AM	#9
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07-01-2004, 09:58 AM	#10
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07-01-2004, 11:23 AM	#12
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07-01-2004, 11:24 AM	#13
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07-01-2004, 11:25 AM	#14
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07-01-2004, 11:34 AM	#15
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07-01-2004, 11:36 AM	#16
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07-01-2004, 12:07 PM	#18
bawdy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,424	marc, how are the ratios calculated? are they your out stats? or what the sponsor is recording? If its the sponsor is it possible to identify which are first page uniques and which are second page? thanks... i will signup under for a couple of those sponsors

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07-01-2004, 01:08 PM	#22
webgurl Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Clouds with Carebears Posts: 7,954	hey mb Nice to see we still made it on your toplist !! Thanks for sharing BTW , hit me up if you like a shirt i got some pics for you the logo is pretty cool i have both ladies and guys

07-01-2004, 01:16 PM	#23
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07-01-2004, 01:53 PM	#24
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07-01-2004, 02:10 PM	#27
S.A.K. Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: South Fla Posts: 619	Marc, I have 10+ exclusive/relaity sites available to promote in beta paying $35 per trial.. Hit me up on ICQ (174199500) so I can hook you up. I dont think you will be dissapointed.

07-01-2004, 03:43 PM	#29
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07-01-2004, 03:51 PM	#32
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07-01-2004, 05:38 PM	#34
cool1g Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hollyweird adjacent Posts: 977	Marc - i read your statement about going all non-console...do you believe that the surfer gets so pissed off that the typical $5 lower PPS payout is more than made up from by higher conversions and/or higher stickiness of your site? __________________ InterG Media affiliate network (dating, pay per call) EDM Life Affiliates Cash In

07-01-2004, 05:50 PM	#35
Aquarius Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Mom's basement Posts: 4,754	Nice numbers, thanks for sharing.

07-01-2004, 06:49 PM	#37
emmanuelle Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oh Canada! Posts: 3,662	Very nice- thanks again for sharing. I know that it would be a lot of work, but I would love to see someone do something similar with revshare instead of PPS. I'd love to learn the retention rates of some programs, as well as the opportunity to stack our's up against others.

07-01-2004, 08:27 PM	#38
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07-01-2004, 09:07 PM	#40
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	Great stats, Marc Since you're signing up for PureCash, next month we can see Weg and Pure as 1 and 2

07-02-2004, 10:22 AM	#44
S.A.K. Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: South Fla Posts: 619	marc not sure if you hit me up as my ICQ was on the fritz but just wanted to let you new that i definitely do offer no console tours

07-02-2004, 10:24 AM	#45
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07-02-2004, 10:25 AM	#46
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