Right wing lies, left wing lies ...

his past history proves this :Graucho

It's always funny to me that republicans act like they are the only ones that are patriotic. If your a liberal and you question the republicans you are un-american.

Why are conservatives always so angry at everyone. Maybe you all need to lighten up, and act like Clinton and get some ass.

Lets see Kerry served his country in vietnam, while Bush was hanging out in the reserve, who's more of a patriot?

smarty pants:Graucho thats what I try 2 do. I watch CNN, Fox, world news, read one of the San Francisco papers and I'm still conservative, don't know how but I'm

what kind of statement did you just make.
does not compute with me.

he may twist things around

But for the most part, most of the info in that film is true

Can anyone point out a single lie in this movie?

It's hilarious to listen to jackasses who haven't seen it believing a couple lame websites that don't even have an example.

The movie is mostly footage from news shows, war footage, and interviews with politicians and soldiers. Any idiot who's going to call Moore a liar should seriously consider seeing the movie first, because to anyone who's seen it you just sound like a fool. You may not agree with his editorial stances that Bush led us into Iraq under false pretenses, or that the Saudi's have too much pull in Washington, and that's fine. Too say it's all lies, although you're not exactly sure which parts, is pretty fucking childish.

I know god is going 2 get him...... he lie

Thank you most people talk about this shit and have no fucking idea. Also this kerry will tax us to death, I think its safe to say most here dont make a personal income over 200k a yr and for them its just going back to where it was. Under a democrat Clinton we had great prosperity. So what the fuck are people talking about?

NO NO NO NO NO
you are the idiot for not being conservative

It's a lot easier for people to repeat what they hear on Fox, rather than learning things and forming their own opinions. Some people just pick a side and repeat whatever their pundits say.

conservatives are just crapping their pants over this movie, beautiful

Thats the sad truth I found this quote :

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."


-- President Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

People would rather feel safe than question which is their duty as Americans.

For the 3rd time today . . . . there is a clip in the movie where Bush is talking about the war on terrorism, terrorists must be stopped.

The movie implies he is talkling about Al Queda and/or Iraq . . . he was actually talking about Palestinians blowing up buses in Israel

i'm missing where that is a lie

btw, i thought "war on terror" was a global thing

It's really very simple. Moore is an entertainer. He has a point of view/agenda and he edits/presents the facts so as to support that view/agenda.

this is nothing new. This is the same thing that Rush, Hannity, O'Riley hell, even Stern to a degree do.

Take for example a recent Bush commercial I saw. It said in it " There have been 1.4 million new jobs created since last August" This is a true statement but it's incompete. The full sentence should be " There have been 1.4 million new jobs created since last August , but there were over 2 million lost since Bush took office so he's still 600K in the hole and, baring an economic boom, will be the only president in history to not create at least 1 net new job during his 4 years"

So you can spin a lot of stuff to make your point. It's not so much a lie as it is a half truth.

If it were 100% lies then Bush would be sueing him because it would be no different than a tabloid reporting falsely on a celebrity. But Bush's dad and the Carlyle Group last weekened bought Lowe's theatre chain and it's 2000 screens. . . why the sudden interest in the movies? There must be some milk in the pudding.

And really, when you think of it, which is the worse lie/half truth.

Clinton lied about getting a blowjob and they impeached him.. ( he was under oath but it was a question that shouldn't have been asked)

Moore editing things to help tell his story and maybe telling half truths or only half the story.

Bush going on national TV mulitiple times and lying about WMD's, Connections with terrorists, Nuclear capabilites all to invade a country that did not attack us and end up losing nearly 1000 solderies lives and killing who knows how many 1000's of innocent citizens. And yet he will not be impeached and may be re elected.

Moore might tell half truths from time to time. You could call him a liar I suppose if you want but when Moore tells these lies people don't die.

They may believe in small government and less taxes, but only because both are myths that the faithful buy into without question.

We don't have small government: on the contrary, we have huge, grossly inefficient government that includes many people paid to poke into matters which other governments consider none of the state's business. Republicans may fire people in departments that the Democrats build up, but are at least as guilty of making government a black hole for public funds.

And less taxes to Republicans has only ever meant shifting the tax burden and hiding direct taxes as indirect taxes or increased personal costs (mostly for the middle class). More importantly, since WW2 Republican economies have consistently underperformed Democrat economies. Yet every election, the same rallying cry goes out.

Cutting taxes is just window dressing unless people are actually better off as a result. They are worthless if the economy goes down the toilet. They don't mean a thing if people need the services that taxes used to cover and now have to pay someone else as much or more to provide them.

Right now, the states are planning budgets to make up a $200 billion shortfall: that's almost the exact same amount ($197 billion) as was paid out recently to the top 1% of the country's income earners (an elite to which few here belong). However these budgets work out, the middle class are going to end up paying many tmies more than the few hundred dollars most of them received.

The only way that cutting taxes would be a good thing would be if it came about for getting rid of bureaucratic waste and if the government focussed on dealing with things that are truly the business of government. I don't see either party in a hurry to do that...

:1orglaugh you republicans crack me up... why you getting so upset over a movie? Ther must be something more than just bullshit in there to get you all so upset......

Bush is a lying, cheating, money hungry, I will do anything to get into office and fuck the american people piece of shit.... I did not need Michale Moore to point that out to me :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

yes, because people like you vote.

sad but true.

So he lied... You must have been Hanatized?

Boobmaster!! Can you shoot me an email? :) Let me know what's UP....

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Did you do some poll on GFY to come up with this fact that a number people on this board believe it is 100% accurate??

If that is all you can say about it - your opinion is most valuable.

Yea, Michael is fat and he has an opinon - a walking charicature of the average "American", - (does he wear sneakers as well? :winkwink: ) However, unless you can prove he lies, - it sounds like it is you how is thrusting your opinion down some throats? I never actually heard Moore claim his movie was 100% accurate - did you?

I was thinking of making an answer to Moore's movie for the benefit of certain interested "Americans". I'm going to call it "My Homeland - My Soul Belongs Here" and have a hundred piece orchestra playing the "America, The Beautiful", panoramic vistas of wheat fields, mountain ranges and flowers swaying in the wind. There is real human life heartwarning portraits of loads of handicapped people, amusing anecdotes from real cowboys and six gospel choirs humming in the background. It's a really nice movie, and nothing like that nasty Michael Moore shit that clearly distrurbs some people with real life. It was specially made for the brain dead to avoid any need to think.

I checked with Michael Eisner of Disney and he is gonna bankroll it and distribute it for me - he's a nice man! Also FOX are going to run it as a feature once it's off cinema screens. :winkwink:

BTW.. If you want to see a born inbred liar - just have a look in the Oval Office - he's usually skulking around unless he's on another photo op :winkwink:

I wrote this on CJ today about it:
http://www.consumptionjunction.com/home.asp

I knew you were lurking out there somewhere.

http://www.moorelies.com/
http://www.moorewatch.com/ [/B][/QUOTE]
can you honestly say these websites have no political agenda? what they are doing is no different than moore.

that's classic. . . when I went to see it I think half the crowd was non-showering short haired bull dyke lesbians.

kane:

Now ya got me going - I LIKE bull dyke lesbians :winkwink:

Well hold off on getting all hot and bothered and EMAIL ME .... I lost all your emails from before due to some spyware shit that ruined my computer.

So what are we drinking tonight? :glugglug

Not much new news here

whys the asian girl crying ? :Graucho

I did not see one fact that disuted anything Moore said.

If he's a liar then let those he lied about sue him or at least stand up and point out the truth.

So far all we have is people pointing their fingers at thin air, he must really have you worried.

Conservatives must be mentally ill. They sit on their ass and defend the biggest liar in this country and someone makes a movie and they go nuts. No wonder this country is so fucked up.

It is hard to tell who is full of shit. Atleast people can see both sides.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Accept it dudes, you got lied into a war and fooled by your own president. I know you all feel pretty stupid now but try to live with it. The Germans recovered well after they got lied to, you can do that too. Good luck...