Yea but this guy Madd is a hater first class. :1orglaugh

Amazing,

You just quoted every bar room bully when they're drunk.
"Bring em on..I'll fight anyone, anytime!" Yeah, fucking manly isn't it to say "We'll fight anyone because we've got balls!"

:1orglaugh

Um..Taking it from the top, there are times when NO ONE needs to fight because THERE'S NO REASON FOR IT!

Could you stop waving the flag for a minute and SUCCINCTLY tell us why having a video of the death of the soldier is NOT patriotic?

People DIE IN WARS! We GLORIFY their deaths because they died "fighting for freedom". Should we put the hands over everyone's eyes to prevent them from seeing something because it MIGHT make them UNCOMFORTABLE? THAT is what war & life is all about.

To those that back the war in Iraq
To those that believe we are going after terrorists that attacked us on 911
To those that believe watching an American solider in war being killed as ghoulish


WHY THE FUCK were we so damn glued to the tv watching the people jumping out of the burning buildings on 911 and then watch them collapse killing those still alive in them. Wasn't that a MILLION more times horrific than watching ONE soldier at WAR die?

Yet I never hear anyone saying "No one should ever show those tapes of 911 again because you can see innocent American CIVILIANS dying!"

Actually I said we should fight to protect from the bullies, i.e. Sadam killing all those innocent people and the terrorists you know chopping heads off and shit like that! So if I sound like a bar room bully so be it! I just don''t think and never will think it is all right to just stand by and watch someone or some country get the shit kicked out of em! Yes there are pros and cons to this whole war, But again we don't live in a perfect world. So if you are gonna quote me, quote the facts. Don't just pick out what you feel like rippin' on!

You don't have to visit that site if you don't want.

It's funny that you tell me to "quick rippin" on you because of your post..but you REPEAT the edict of "MIGHT MAKES RIGHT" and if we see countries mistreating their people, we should go kick the shit out of them! (Does that include THIS country and it's OWN history of mistreatment of it's citizens?)

So, if we say Saddam was bad because he was mean to his people, following your logic, we should go into Syria, Egypt, fuck..almost the whole Muslim world..most of Africa, and don't forget that little midget in North Korea! China has been known to step on it's own kids (especially back in 1989 when Georgie's dad was Prez..and we did nothing), so, we've got a long list of bad asses we had better get after because they have been bullies to their own people.

You really DO sound like the bar room drunk with that logic!

you know, you dont have to watch the video if you dont want too.

does it really matters if they put it on ogrish or not?
It will still be on Kazaa, DC.... and other websites.

but its ok for then to show non-americans getting it?

:glugglug Alaaaallllrriiiiiiight Now lithen heeeer, :glugglug :glugglug Kill em all and let God sort em out! Thats Bullshit that ain't my logic. But do you really think that there is ever going to be world peace? Everything you are able to do comes from the result of a war! Do I completely agree with war? No! Do I like seeing people die? No! What about the native americans etc. etc. etc. Sure lets look back at everything that can be done differently, hindsight is 20/20 vision. I would love to be able to fix things from the past, but truth of the matter is we can't. And do you honestly beleive by just standing around and doing nothing it is gonna get better? No its not! Is fighting a war everytime someone or some country gets tortured is gonna fix everything no its not! But, if we stop now. What is it gonna benefit our country? You know what I should have never got into this conversation! ploitics and religion, I broke my own rule. Your beliefs are your beliefs. Sorry to ruffle your feathers Nancy!

WTF are you talking about? Seriously..all you say are a lot of platitudes and generalities about things. The only CONCRETE thing I've really gathered from your posts is that the United States should militarily help the people of ANY country that are being badly mistreated by it's leaders (for example:Iraq!)

And you got to go a long ways to TRULY ruffle my feathers. If any feathers are ruffled it's yours..you've left a trail of bird down in your posts a mile long.

And that is all I was trying to say! We need to help those that are needed. And for some reason I just sat and watched you pick apart my opinions and character. Which doesn't bother me a bit, but hey I believe I am entitled to a rebuttle! So don't worry about my feathers, I got an easy motto to live by Love Me Hate Me Fuck Me Fuck You! Pretty Simple Actually! If you listened or actually read anything I stated you would notice that i am opposed to many of the same things you are but at the same time realize and face the facts that war is inevitable! Again I am not gonna fuel this fire anymore. We could go on for days! It is absolutely pointless, because I know whatever you or I say on this thread is not gonna change the world nor is gonna change the fact that Americans and people from other countries are being killed, oh yeah and being broadcast across the internet! Have A Great Night!

Welcome to GFY! :)

With open arms my friend with open arms!:thumbsup

No, that is not right either, but those are not
Americans either, I was reffering to a U.S. Soldier!

ogrish is paying terrorists to behead people.

Ogrish is about showing people what really goes on in the world. Of course they're in business as well, but so is CNN.

Get over it.

If you don't want to view it, don't click your little mousey-mouse. If you don't like the site or what it stands for, don't visit it. How can it get any simpler?

I agree! people should not profit from the death or misfortune of others! and although the media does not do it in a gratuotous fashion, they still profit from it!

welcome to entertainment 2004

People love to watch the misfortune of others. It makes them feel good since they are in better position. Thanks to internet this can be achived to the maximum.

If Ogrish has the video then I have a choice to watch it or not.

With your line of thinking J.R. you would take my choice away.

Choices are what make us free.
Freedom hopefully, is the whole reason our boys and girls are dieing over there.
You're asking them to die in vain and then turn over in their graves.

Honestly I think Its a little fucked up also but you have to understand business is business. When you are in that kind of business there are NO limits on the videos you should show. For Orgish the more gross, the more controversial the better. If Orgish is wrong for showing that video then I think we are all wrong for promoting the Paris Hilton video.

Bingo.

Well posted sir.

I don't see Canada lending a hand in anything, of course
if your not American.. you likely don't care about
a U.S. Soldier be displayed in this fashion, if it does
happend.

No one said war was fun or fair!

Bah, Canadian soldiers have fought and been slaughtered in tons of battles, and many have been in the news in life and in death. The point here isn't about your poor soldier being shown on the web, the POINT is about people being able to view what they want to view without having some lame fuck tell them they can't.

If you don't like it don't look at it, but who are you to tell anyone else what they should or shouldn't be allowed to look at? Who are you to tell anyone what they can and can't display on their site?

Ogrish's whole purpose is to show what's happening in the world in the way of shocking reality.... much of that reality being quite gross. Yes, let's just bury our heads in the sand and pretend that nothing horrible EVER happens out there. Let's insulate and censor ourselves and make sure no one else has the right to view anything that we feel is horrible either.

Sorry, not the kind of world I want to live in.

everyone should see it.

i am American... i think that every American should see it. in war... people get killed. not just "bad guys" but everyone on all sides and today, mostly innocent people get killed. people should see more and more of it until they understand what war really is.........

it might save 1000's of lives in the future when someone ponders the idea of killing more than 10,000 civilians while looking for weapons that apparently do not exist.

I think these videos are snuff films and should carry the same legal responsibility

I understand your sentiment, however after having served 12 years in the US Air Force I must say that it's for the freedom and rights to display and post that video in which we put ourselves in harms way...some died for that right, some maimed and injured for life, some like myself just came out of the deal with a few more grey hairs...


be proud that we Americans, for the moment, live in a country FREE enough to allow fuckers to post shit like that (it's not illegal atm is it?)...

...if our current president had it his way I'm guessing you'd be out of business even in the relatively safe world of tits and so would the other spectrum of free speech --ogrish...






I regards to it being more of an issue since it's an American soldier's death....I think it's good for people in general to get a slight grip on what is sacrificed for their freedoms...

//on a related note, fuck Bush, Asshat and anyone else that wants to remove our freedoms at any level, they are PISSING on the graves of dead and maimed veterans from all previous wars/conflicts...




the ones I feel fucking horrible for is the dead person's family...

I also feel equally horrible for the familys of all the Iraqi's that were killed, injured or maimed during this conflict....

J.R:

It reminds me of the videos expounding power of the US military with footage of em sitting in gunships blowing the hell out of people on the ground.

Thought then.... mmmm.. strange things people do to each other, but I forgot the people they were blowing apart were "them" and "evil" and "we" are on the side of good. :winkwink: