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![]() On another board there was a thread about whether or not people should get married. I posted that it was a tax disadvantage to get married. The poster replied back saying that the penalty was for "standard deduction", not an actual tax penalty. That didn't sound right so I dug up the 2003 1040 booklet.
This is what I came up with: If you file jointly, there isn't a disavantage. But many people (myself included, if I ever get married) wouldn't want to file jointly. Once you get married, to keep your taxes separate costs extra money. Extra money=penalty. There isn't a tax disadvantage at all until you reach $57,325/year. However, after that, someone filing "Married filing separately" pays more taxes than someone who is single. The more money you make, the larger the penalty up until a maximum penalty of $6271.25/year. (see below) Filing Single: If your line 40 is $28,400-$68,800 you pay $3,910 + 25% on all income above $28,400 If your line 40 is $68,800-$143,500 you pay $14,010 + 28% on all income above $68,800 If your line 40 is $143,500-$311,950 you pay $34,926 + 33% on all income above $143,500 If your line 40 is $311,950 or higher you pay $90,514.50 + 35% on all income above $311,950 Filing Married Filing Separately: If your line 40 is $28,400-$57,325 you pay $3,910 + 25% on all income above $28,400 If your line 40 is $57,325-$87,350 you pay $11,141.25 + 28% on all income above $57,325 If your line 40 is $87,350-$155,975 you pay $19,538 + 33% on all income above $87,350 If your line 40 is $155,975 or higher you pay $42,194.50 + 35% on all income above $155,975 For someone who makes $100,000/year they would pay $22,746 if single or $23,723.75 if married filing seperately. This equals a tax penalty of $977.75. For $200,000/year the penalty is $4032.25. For $300,000/year the penalty is $6032.25 For $400,000/year the penalty is $6271.25 For $500,000/year the penalty is $6271.25 For $1,000,000/year the penalty is $6271.25 So, there is a tax diadvantage if you're "married filing separely" and make good income. The penalty may not seem that high, but why does the government deserve an additional $6000/year in tax money just because you're married?
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Hmm, the government is trying to screw us? What is the world coming to?
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Wow, sucks to be a married American with a high income. In Canada everyone files individually unless you are married, have no children and your spouse doesn't have an income, then that spouse doesn't have to file at all.
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Well, I think they are trying to encourage married couples to file jointly . . . don't think there is much of a secret as to why that would be.
Up until a few years ago there was a higher tax rate for married couple. Luckily, back in the day when I was married there were tax advantages to filing jointly, |
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And if you're divorced, you get fucked by paying 50% to the ex, and then 25% to the guv, HOURRAY.
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Fuck this gov't...I hate it....Why should we honest working americans pay for these stupid mother fuckers on welfare and all this section 8 house...police that bust our ass for everything, and so on.....fuck that..im going tax free
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That's messed up, there is no logical reason why a married person should pay more in taxes....
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Hmmm, reminds me that I need to look up stuff like this. I was married within the current financial year so my situation has changed since my last return.
I'm in AU and our tax year ends in 3 days!!! |
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but if you are like most people and only use the standard deduction there can be a tax advatage for marrige. If you are single you get the standard deduction. If you are married you get twice the standard deduction regardless if your spouse works or not. I have two friends that are married and only take the standard decutions ( no home or enough of anything else to write off yet )
one's wife works and actually makes more than him so they should get the standard deduction ( twice that of a single person) the others wife doesn't work and he still gets twice the single deduction. They lived together for 2 years before getting married and she didn't work for most of that time ( long story ) and during those years he only got the singler person deduction so when they got married he instantly got an additional 6K+ in deductions. |
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Anyway, as I stated in my original post, the tax disadvantage is when filing separately. There is no point debating who gets what deductions because the numbers I stated are for taxes due AFTER all deductions.
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