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Old 06-25-2004, 08:18 PM   #51
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50 prayers that bush is sent packing..
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Old 06-25-2004, 08:19 PM   #52
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Never said I was. Never claim to be, but armchair politics is foolhearty at best when your not even cloesly privy to the actual intell
But if you have to get the job to be given the intel, then your arguement is a catch-22.

Besides, the only intel Bush cares about is the bible.
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Old 06-25-2004, 08:22 PM   #53
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But if you have to get the job to be given the intel, then your arguement is a catch-22.

Besides, the only intel Bush cares about is the bible.
Cmon think rationally, look at the long line of politicians who are privy to intell before assuming their role. They come from a long line of political familys and associates.
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Old 06-25-2004, 08:30 PM   #54
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when they have accumulated years of actual in office political apointments, let me know. Anyone of GFY members would be lucky if the could manage a ward here in chicago, any ward. Let alone a president

and you've been in office how long?


just curious as to your educational and political career credentials to make such statements and observations...
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Old 06-25-2004, 08:37 PM   #55
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Cmon think rationally, look at the long line of politicians who are privy to intell before assuming their role. They come from a long line of political familys and associates.
Most politicans come from the private sector and do not have politicans for parents.

The only requirement for holding office is to convince enough people to vote for you.

Politicans are not elite. Few civilized countries treat them as such. I don't know why so many americans want to treat them like royalty.

Personally, I am in favor of stricter requirements. I want mutliple independently verified mandatory genius IQ scores. I want independently verified 'A+' grades on post-graduate world history, current events, science, and sociology testing.

That way people like GW, with more money and personal-connections than common sense, couldn't even get on the ballot; no matter how many times they invoke the name Jesus.
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Old 06-25-2004, 09:47 PM   #56
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You should check into the democratic side of this "draft"
Didn't say any partisan issue with draft - just that if everyone between the ages of 18 - 30 registered to vote they could maybe impact their representatives to change it.

This is the age group of the smallest percentage of those who are registered to vote - and smallest percentage of those who actually vote.

Their are 21 million single women in that age group that are not registered to vote.
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Old 06-25-2004, 10:13 PM   #57
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Never said I was. Never claim to be, but armchair politics is foolhearty at best when your not even cloesly privy to the actual intell
That has to be one of the funniest arguments yet. Bush has more access to top secret information than us so everything he does is justified.

Using that logic, no president can ever do anything wrong. It's all being done for your own good for reasons you are too uninformed to understand.

George Orwell had you in mind.
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Old 06-25-2004, 10:13 PM   #58
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whomever can appeal to the stupidity of the masses will control them
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Old 06-25-2004, 11:09 PM   #59
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it will effect his votes....all Bush supporters hate it....and so do i ....Bush Sucks !
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Old 06-25-2004, 11:47 PM   #60
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i saw the movie tonight.

much of it is irrelevant vilification of bush, but moore does make a few solid points. anyone can take sound bites out of context to make someone else look like a fool---that is not a "documentary".

but, if anyone has half a brain a few points will resonate with voters, if the facts the moore presents are actually true.

the main point that comes across is that american taxpayers are not getting good ROI---the price is too high for the value received.

and, we are not becoming loved in the arab world because of the invasion of iraq, we have not become "safer" because of it, and the entire premise for launching the war was a sham.

is bush an "evil" man---i don't think so, but...

the real reason we are fucking around in iraq is not about iraq's political system---it is mostly a grudge match between an american president who had his father personally threatened by a dictator, and he orchestrated a reason to even the score.

and the secondary reason has to do with one word---oil, otherwise we would not give a shit about the camel jockeys.
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Old 06-26-2004, 12:18 AM   #61
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What country are you from? And "nothing special" in what context?
Every context.
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Old 06-26-2004, 12:27 AM   #62
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Like Moore said on an interview, the democrats are just plain weak. Real soft, and when push comes to shove I prefer a party that wont roll over and I think thats how america has gotten so far ahead. Look we can argue politics all fuckin day and noone in the end will be right. But honestly, NONE of you are remotely capable of being a political figure head or understanding the complexity of politics.
Damn...thank you for that.
wtf....so bush does not get re elected...then what?
So much more going on than most people can even understand.
Oh well.....
So many spins...I am dizzy...
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Old 06-26-2004, 12:54 AM   #63
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When it comes to bush and Moore's movie, there's only one thing I hope.

It's that whoever said that there's no such thing as bad publicity has it all wrong.
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Old 06-26-2004, 02:28 AM   #64
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I think it was released too early to have much of an effect. I would assume with all the hype this film will get that most of its audience will see it early. I think the conventions, choice of VP, developing situation in Iraq and the economy will have a much greater effect.

Latest Gallup poll has essentially a tie between the two candidates. Considering how polarized this election is - the Moore movie and press might just cement it further.
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Old 06-26-2004, 06:29 AM   #65
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no idea who this buch guy is or what election he is running for
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Old 06-26-2004, 11:50 AM   #66
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LOL, he NEVER got elected the first time and you're talking about getting re-elected
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Old 06-26-2004, 11:59 AM   #67
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Just got back from seeing Fahrenheit 9/11 - it's a very enlightening documetary. Just confirms a lot of the stuff I already suspected.

Everyone owes it to themselves to go see Fahrenheit 9/11 and pass the word along to others, as I am doing here.

When we came out of the theatre we were handed "deception dollars" - another way to spread the word. Check it out for yourself http://deceptiondollar.com/7/DD7.htm

Also, anyone who is a US Citizen and is 18 years or older up to 35 years old should be very interested in voting and then getting active in stopping the new Draft Bill in congress since you'll probably all be drafted - there will be no school deferments, no hardship deferments and women as well as men will be drafted.
What draft bill?
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Old 06-26-2004, 12:02 PM   #68
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I don't think american's are really stupid enough to re-elect him, regardless of any movie.
You sure? There are a hell of a lot of people who still support him.
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Old 06-26-2004, 12:09 PM   #69
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Will Fahrenheit 9/11 will stop Buch from getting re-elected ?

I just saw a very brief interview with Michael Moore late last night and it sounds like he has some info on the Bush Family that is going to fuck their shit up BIG TIME. I wouldn't be surprised if this movie stopped Bush from being re-elected

Who is "Buch" ?
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Old 06-26-2004, 01:51 PM   #70
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What draft bill?
Are you serious?
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Old 06-26-2004, 02:49 PM   #71
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Will Fahrenheit 9/11 will stop Buch from getting re-elected ?

I just saw a very brief interview with Michael Moore late last night and it sounds like he has some info on the Bush Family that is going to fuck their shit up BIG TIME. I wouldn't be surprised if this movie stopped Bush from being re-elected
I saw it... it was GREAT. But since I was not voting for bush in the 1st place... i cannot say... But if you saw this movie.. it would make you think twice about that man.

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But honestly, NONE of you are remotely capable of being a political figure head or understanding the complexity of politics.
Who are you to say what I am capable of?
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