WHO CARES?!?!

WE should care. We can't be so righteous and go screaming "They're killing innocent civilians" when the United States has been doing that since the beginning of the Iraqi war.

What a hypocrite you are!

Hey..show some proof that the 9/11 commision said that. They officially said the OPPOSITE! And all the newspapers are in a big conspiracy to lie about this? Good gawd how ridiculous! :1orglaugh

Only Fox News brings us the truth eh?

"al-jazeera sympathizer" you say? You you think al-jazeera did this:
http://www.welinske.com/torture6.jpg

or this:
http://www.welinske.com/torture5.jpg

or this:
http://www.welinske.com/child9.jpg

ah, yes... they did this:
http://www.welinske.com/child7.jpg

want more?
http://www.portia.org/latest/0000758.php_files/1489.jpg

Enjoy and be sure to jerkoff at your bombing fetish dreams (hope the pics above will help you a bit) :feels-hot

Earth to Georgiagirlz!!
If someone murdered a person in the United States, wouldn't you want the ACTUAL killer caught and punished? Would you be happy if we just arrested ANYONE and executed them for a crime they DID NOT commit?

I don't think so! And the SAME applies here. If we are going to go after the people that attacked us on 9/11..let's go after the REAL perpetrators!

What americans have Iraqis killed before we invaded their country?

We were already at war with them before we invaded Iraq.

Yes, NY twins were bombed by order of the former CIA agent Osama Bin Laden. So should we bomb CIA? Why Iraq, but why not Washington DC where CIA is located?

I'm not gay or anything, but that shit smeared bastard has a nice ass :thumbsup

I wonder if thats his poo or someone elses poo

Point to where anyone has claimed he was an agent. You will find rumors where he met with an agent while in the hospital but what conspiracy rag is saying he was an agent?

Bullshit.

They want to destroy Israel and then us.

Are you all fricking blind or what?

Listen to the crap these mullah fuckers are preaching to their people about us.

They want the whole world to be Muslim.

I'll be damned if that's going to happen. Fuck that and fuck them.

I know it sounds cold but I don't have sympathy for people that want to destroy us.

War is ugly. Those are innocent victims. Its sad. Its bad. It's downright awful when kids get hurt in the process. But that is the price that is and will continue to be paid to those that think they can fuck with the US and its allies and get away with it.

Got to wonder witch was worse for the iraqi people.. sadam or the occupation. Im not trying to bash the US here Wars like this are hell. Vietnam was proof of that.

Just hope that it works out for them in the end.

I peronally think the whole "War On Terror" has lost its focus

I also think Bush made a huge mistake in the way he did things in iraq:2 cents:

I know it sounds cold as well, but you are speaking as an Iraqi citizen. You say: "people that want to destroy us" and your words sounds like: "the US people that came to our country and want to destroy us". BTW, do you think the Iraqi people should have any sympathy to those 2 beheaded US gays? I don't think so... War is ugly. Those are innocent victims. Its sad. Its bad.

And BTW, news ( not american speakerphones) report that the kidnappers " had a foreign accent".

In other words, they are not Iraqi.

Terror is now growing in Iraq and the culprit to blame is not Saddam, but Bush.

And it will get much worser before any better...

Do you guys even understand anything about Iraq? You act like you're all experts but you speak without understanding the situation.

Iraq is far better off without living under a tyrannt, except for all his henchmen that are still out there but are no longer getting a free ride like they were under Saddam.

The region is better off without Saddam. Every head of state has said that.

Point is that both parties are saying exactly the same.
What bothers me the most that it has gone from "muslim fundementalists" to just "muslims". 99% are normal people with good standards (yes the Koran has good values aswell). The other 1% are those that feel that their way of life is in danger, and only a few of them are just plain evil.

Now how do you think the 99% feels when they are being threated like the devil himself?

Better off without Saddam: ofcourse! But what did the Iraqi people get in return? In the long run they will know that this was all for the "good" but in the meanwhile more and more regular muslims turn into fundementalists

No water, no power, no jobs, house destroyed, have to live mainly families together now... that is better?
If so, why don't you liberate " Israel" or yourself????

Iraq was not a " sand dune", but a civilisation that was the base of many cultures. You know, 400 years ago, America was a fucking mosquito breeding ground while many countries already had a rich history...

So instead of " forcing down the throat" your so great democracy, why don't you respect differences in population???

KRL, do you even understand anything about theUSA? You act like you're all expert but you speak without understanding the situation.

The USA is far better off without living under a Bush's tyranny and propaganda.

The region is better off without Bush. Every head of state has said that.

Do you like such a statement? Can you prove that your one is better? Please just don't start calling me an idiot, moron, motherfucker, etc. Just think on it.

yeah, bomb em and call it show and awe.. oh wait a minute..

Agreed...

Tell you what we need to do - very fucking simple -


BEHEAD BIN LADEN ON LIVE TV


SO FUCK ALL THIS SHIT & CRYING ABOUT AMERICA AMERICA


FUCK IRAQ
FUCK BIN LADEN

AND FUCK ALL THE ANTI AMERICAN PEOPLE

FUCKERS

wow what a shitty way to go...did you guys see this guy begging for his life on the news last night?

Hi KRL,

I agree with parts of mostly everyone that posted here. But there is truth in both sides.

1) You can not argue that the invasion of Iraq went well. It went a lot worse than the US Government expected.
2) Iraq is better of without the tyrannt, BUT it might not be better of right now. Many of the Iraqi people are not really doing a whole lot better right now, some are even doing worse, due to bad water / power supply.
3) Leaving Iraq now is definately the stupid thing to do. Iraq would totally collapse. What should be done though is getting the US control out of there and replacing it with the UN. This would mean yet again that the UN has to clean up the US's mess but it makes more sense if the UN gets control because they will be trusted more.
4) By _FAR_ the most Muslims do not hate the US. More obviously hate them now since they all feel that the US just wants Iraq's oil, but still, most do not HATE all americans, they just do not particularly like Bush's policies. Not all Muslims want to destroy Israel and then the US. And even the ones that might want to, you are missing the point of why. Israel is obvious, they feel that Israel stole their land, which is true in many areas and is debateable in many others. They do not REALLY want to destroy the US, they want it out of their region. Their master plan is not to kill every american, they want them to butt out of far eastern politics since they feel its none of their bussiness. The reason this started is simply because the US kept and keeps backing Israel.

Those are the most important points I think. Also, one small thing some of you might not know because many here might think the Koran is just a bunch of crap talking about how to hate everyone that is not muslim and so on. I bet only very few people here know that the Koran in MOST sections tells EXACTLY the same things as the christian Bible. At least as far as the old testament goes its virtually the same. It starts the same, has the same contents and so on.

Just wanted to share my thoughts ;)

You hit the nail on the head with that one.

You think a country can be democratized in under a year? Good luck if it happens in 5 years.

They're going to have to go through much more bloodshed in the years to come. But this is part of the process. Just like the many years it took the US to become an independent nation.

Democracy comes with a big price tag, but in the end it will be a better world for all the Iraqi people except for the Saddam hold outs who will no longer be able to get a free ride nor abuse people.

Maybe, but who gave the US the right to dispose of the future of that country...

If really the Iraqis had asked and collaborated to the"liberation" that would be one story,
but this is a violent and repressive occupation that is backfiring : more terror acts and more terrorism than ever.

:2 cents:

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com.../mdf603774.jpg

A frame grab taken from video footage shows the bodies of U.S. soldiers in the town of Ramadi, west of Baghdad June 21, 2004. Four U.S. soldiers were found dead, apparently killed in an attack by Iraqi insurgents, witnesses said on Monday. (Reuters TV/Reuters):BangBang:

because we threw a dart at a fucking big ass globe and they lost thats why.

you keep forgetting that there were many months leading up to the war. Sadaam was warned too many times to let weapons inspectors into the country and into facilities.
How long did the games have to go on?

Now he's fucking gone and Iraq will be a better place one day soon like Dubai or Kuwait, but for now there will be a shit storm. But things will be better when the dust eventually clears.

As the world's leading super power it is not our inherent right, but it is our inherent responsibility to propogate the system that works best and that my friend is freedom, liberty, capitalism and democracy.

:thumbsup

Playing devil's advocate here just remember that.

War means you kill the other side. If you are in the military or a militant you will do so. If you are in the military your opinions do not matter you do it because it is your job. If you are a militant it is ALL based on opinion, you MAKE it your job.

A country is not at war with another, the people in power in those countries fight each other using those they can get to do it.

Damage has been done to them in the past that a lot of us in our infinite wisdom do not know about. To some of them these actions are justified by that, to others it is not.

If killing yourself while killing large amounts of people is cowardly then i ask you, are you brave enough to be as cowardly as they were? Anytime you can overcome the fear of death and cause harm to yourself outside of an escape from how "terrible" the world is to you then I find it hard to call it cowardly, this being said i can not call it truly honorable.

Those who are following the religion in its oldest and purist form will not be happy with us just pulling out. Just as the bible was used to get christians together to kill them on sight they too can be roused to kill all outsiders to dominate. So pulling out and saying we are sorry for all we have done to harm you will make many happy but to others our being on this planet and not being like them is a travesty and we should be purged. Some people want peace and others do not, but till we all get together and say let's all hold hands and mean it, there will be war.

The arabs have been saying this would all happen for a while, some of us who are not typical westerners who admit there is life outside of North/South America and Europe have heard it and watched them make it true. This is not about 911 or even desert storm, not alone. This war started long ago before any of us were even here.....some people know how to hold a grudge!

Someone answer me this.

America walks with a big stick right? By stick I mean military power and more particuraly nuclear weapons (weapons of mass destruction)

Who the hell gave us the democratic right to be the only one with them? Why should the rest of the world allow us to have all the weapons when they have none? Because WE are the GOOD guys?

Most of us do not allow the police to be the only ones with guns, to propose such would be called STUPID amongst other things. So why on a larger scale do you think that because we are in America WE are the good guys and only WE should have nukes? Because WE know WE will not launch them and we know they will. How do THEY know that. Even in our mentality in the west, the best way to keep someone honest who has a gun is to have one yourself. So how exactly do we get to tell other countries that because we would be afriad of them if they had just as much fire power that they can not have it?

When you can answer that logically then you will have something. Plain and simple we do not trust anyone else and no one else has been shown beyong a shadow of a doubt whey they should trust us, so fuckin right they are going to arm themselves. Sorry to say it but if we have them other people are going to try to have them. Disarming everyone would do it but that is impossible, there will always be someone wanting an ace up their sleeve. Sometimes there is no clean answer, sometimes there is only war.

last I checked, more than just the US has nuclear weapons.
It's in the best interest of the entire world to not let fringe countries have nuclear weapons.
And if we have to go kick ass on some country developing them because we feel threatened that they might wake up in a bad mood one day and use them, then so be it. A country like Pakistan having nuclear arms is extremely scary as it is.

yeah you're right... making iraqi prisoners look ridiculous is so much worst than killing over 3,000 people in the WTC. Fucking dumbass. It's a war there are casualties get over it, we had to. :321GFY

Used to be called Collonialism :thumbsup

LOL... I must admit, this made me laugh... :thumbsup

You keep forgetting that UN inspectors were in Iraq, a declaration of weapons was supplied by the Iraqi gov and they even offered to let US army inspectors look for the so-called and elusive WMD.:2 cents:

This is word for word what Bush repeats over and over again... seems to work.

Hahaha!

I wonder if people take you seriously. Nah, I don't wonder. They know you're an idiot. I wonder if your business suffers because people think you're stupid....

This is what happens when they don't teach proper world history, geography, or current events in school... ...year after year of 'founding fathers' worship and coloring maps of confederate states is considered more important. :disgust

Gosh, you ARE a stupid idiot that slavely watches FAUX news. Wake up in the real world, motherfucker!

Killing over 10,000 civilians and ruining an entire country (that has NOTHING to do with 9/11) for oil is indeed much worse than 3,000 people in WTC. Get some sense of reality, you stupid fuckface!

another tin foil hat sold