You can't really say anyone's life was at risk other than both people(s) in the cars.

You could assume there are no sidewalks and no other cars behind, thus the only people at risk are the people in the cars - the cop who instigated (spelling) the other guy.

And you have to remember laws are in place to protect people from other people, and so if you're not endangering anyone who IS consenting to the possible danger, then the laws really don't apply. For example, have you ever J-walked? Why? Because there were no cars who could hit you, but if there were and you walked out front you'd be endangering the people in the cars (as well as yourself, but that would of been your own stupid decision :)).

Cheers,
Matt

when people say a car looked like something from the fast and furious or "tricked out" that means it's a pos honda with a streetfighter type bodykit, stickers, and a wing, just asking to get pulled over. all the cop did was rev up. legally it's very different than saying, "hey dipshit, wanna race?". even if it technically was intrapment who gives a shit? a ricer got a speeding ticket, boo fucking hoo :)

for those that race.. always stay away from black mustangs and lt1's with big antennas on the back. cops like to race, but they also like to give tickets.

This is an urban legend. Undercover cops do not have to reveal themselves if you ask.

But KRLs story included other cars and people laughing at the dumbass who got caught. In reality, if you are on a public street, racing is never just a danger to those involved; there is always some risk of another car pulling out or broke down with its lights off or some pedestrian crossing where they shouldn't. If you want to race, every major city has tracks and holds events. There I couldnt care less who dies.

Mustang drivers already know that a cop will pull them over for next to nothing, so most drivers of mustang don't intiate a race.

That guy was a totally fool:1orglaugh

actually they do except for cases where their lives may be endangered by doing so ;)

yep. what a fucking double standard.

In Spain?

In America, all you have to do is watch 'Cops' to see 280lb male cops (surrounded by backup) flat out deny that they are cops to 110lb female hookers when asked directly. They didnt look in danger.
(no, TV is not my sole source of info)

Going undercover would never work otherwise. Every criminal transaction would include that question and the cops would never bust anyone.... But it's certainly in the police interests to perpetuate this myth and give the ignorant a false sense of security.

read my post again and tell me which part of it is relevant to the section of your post i quoted ;)

It is entrapment.. Entrapment is simply when a law enforcement official encourages you to commit a crime. Reving a motor is pretty encouraging to young man. He will beat it in court easilly.
Duke

Sorry, but I guess I don't know what you mean.


Oh, those silly policemen, blowing the budget on a mustang and tricking it out specifically for these operations.. all the while being ignorant of the law and never consulting their own lawyers or the judicial branch...

...really? :ugone2far

Police are allowed to create circumstances which may tempt the criminally inclined. So 'encourage' is an inappropriate word... too soft. They simply cannot convince you to commit a crime. That's entrapment.

Judges are not fond of the entrapment defense. It takes a lot to overwhelm the courts assumption that law enforcement is honest. Even then, really bad blatant entrapment is often overlooked if they want the conviction enough.

Hell, police are allowed to get naked when trying to bust prostitutes. You think a judge will throw out a case because the officer revved his engine? No way.

I don't like personal anecdotes in arguements, but I've got a good one about a family member involving police posing as mafia and making threats ... they still got the conviction. :uhoh

entrapment

inducing

there's no way the kid got a speed contest or demhahahahahahahaion of power ticket. those would never get proven in court and cops know it. he probably just got a speeding ticket. and good luck explaining to a judge that the reason you were speeding was because a cop reved his engine and you felt it was entrapment :)

cops do this shit all the time, you wont beat it.

since when having a fast start is illegal..? did the guy went over the speed limit..?

Those darn sneaky undercover cops

Sounds like daytona.

Sounds like entrapment to me, I'd take 'em to court.

up in NY, i was pulled over by some police fuckers in a fucking TAXI CAB.... i was soooo ready to peel the fuck out, cuz wtf is a TAXI doing pulling me over?

No shit. Wow. That's funny as fuck!!

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

ill drink to that :thumbsup :glugglug

It's not entrapment if he didn't actually ask to race.

Same thing as undercover drug dealers. They aren't actually asking people to buy stuff either, but the buyers "just know" upon seeing them.

Just like this kid "just knew" the undercover cop wanted to race.

It would be getting close to entrapment here too. Even when radar is being used police must have a sign posted visible before where the hand held or camera radar is positioned to warn motorists there is radar there. Provoking someone to break the law is not legaly tolerated. :2 cents:

I looked up entrapment:

The act of officers or agents of a government in inducing a person to commit a crime otherwise not contemplated for the purpose of instituting a criminal prosecution against that person.


The kid wouldn't have drag raced himself. now would he. Thats entrapment. Will he beat it no, prolly not. Do they do it all the time and get away with it? yes of course.

I think it's illegal to an extent.
They've got cops in 'hooked up' cars around here.

Isn't anything new though.

I own a Japanese Speed Shop and we deal with that kinda thing all the tim

That is entrapment. Any competant lawyer or anyone who knows to ask for someone's help who studies law could argue on that point and get out of it IF the cop would even show. Police will do this to kids because they usually have no defense and America is the land of assumptions of power. Meaning if one has power people usually assume it will not be abused.

The reason is because the police can pull you over JUST for revving your motor under the blanket term of "exhibnitionism and/or exhibition of speed" meaning the police did intice and also enguage in an illegal activity. Drag or street racing is also defined as a contest between 1 or more vehicles between two measured and/or fixed points at the same or staggered times. THIS means by definition the kid took off and started a drag race, when the mustang pulled off HE then joined in the street race. If you stick to your guns and state that you know facts most judges will give you a warning or drop it. Most cases in traffic court are lost because they believe the judge will not believe them (innocent till proven guilty REMEMBER that) or because they can not carry themselves well or speak well. I had a DA tell me because i had a prior that the judge would never believe me, I told him it sounded like he was gonna railroad me and asked him if he thought the judge would appreciate the travesty of the judicial system. Before he could say anything i had the tape rewound and played back his voice to him....... Seems the charge was not that imporant cuz it got dropped!

You think that is bad, Louisiana, Texas and Mississippi have passed laws that give police the right of search and seizure without a warrant. Now anything they find anywhere, anytime is admissable as evidence, hopefully they will overturn this soon, may have already, i can only hope. I live a clean life and any police officer can search anything I have at any time with no fear from me other than planting, but that does not mean i do not think they should not go through the previous channels to do so or else there is no end to the harassment anyone can get at any time.