Not at all. I am merely suggesting that this whole "when your brain dies, you die, period, no afterlife, no spirit, no soul..... nothingness... end of story" isn't the only belief that could be right. It is as unproven as any other belief.

That's all.

link?
or wive's tale?

There are those who believe in souls, gods, eternal life and fairies at the bottom of the garden.

And then there are those who believe in things that are real, tangible and part of the physical world.

I stopped believing in fairy tales a long time ago.

Since there is still much that science can not explain, still so much of the past that it can only theorize on, and so much that occurs all over the planet that is unexplainable, some of it amazing, miraculous and astounding...... I would say your belief system is a little too hard and fast for my liking.

The only 'fact' you really should face is that you don't know everything. Until you do, I really am recommending that you quit acting so superior and smug.

Just because science can not explain everything right now that doesn't mean we should resort to fairy tales like the supernatural.

When you resort to the supernatural in an argument or to back up your point of view, you've already lost.

It is proven that you, your identity, who you are, what you know, how you act, your personaility, and everything else that can be defined as what makes somebody an independent unique concious being is controlled by your brain.

It is proven you can alter who a person is by altering their brain.

It is proven that when you die, your brian rots and insects lay their eggs in it.

When did I refer directly to the supernatural? My argument encompasses religious and spiritual beliefs as well as that, along with everything else that is ominous and inexplicable out there.

If it turns out we do possess a soul and there is an afterlife, which of us is already wrong?


My ultimate point to you is, respect the beliefs of others rather than slamming your opinion down like it is the end-all/be-all. Clear enough? Are you picking up what I'm laying down here?

And if there are fairies at the bottom of the garden then I'm also wrong.

You can bet on the fairies, I know where my money is.

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What is proven about the soul?


You too sound very superior and smug in what you think you know. I worked in health care for over 15 years, and have witnessed much reality. One former patient is on the books as a documented resurection, having been clinically dead for 20 minutes before reviving. For those whose brains are already being eaten by insects, it means he was dead for 20 minutes. Then he woke up. He lived for several years beyond that death, and he spoke of things he saw during his away time.

Bottom line... and I'm not going to continue debating this because on this point I know I am right....... we don't know everything. Three or Four billion people living on this planet right now think there is some sort of god, untold billions of people in history believed the same thing. To say with any certainty that "this is the way it is and all else is for idiots" is certainly a good way to become an empty unfullfilled know-it-all who ends up dying alone. Why? Because people like that are fucking annoying.

Very good point.

Personally, I choose to believe in a higher power than myself and that there is an afterlife. If I'm wrong there will be no regrets, while if you're wrong......:1orglaugh

You believe what you do for psychological reasons.

I understand.

You are entitled to believe any mumbo jumbo you like. Doesn't make it real.

Do you ever wonder:

What happens to the apple after it falls from the tree?
What happens to the fly after you swat it?
What happens to the cat after you hit it with your car?
What happens to the bird after it dies?
What happens to the chimpanzee after it dies?
What happens to the dolphin after it dies?

I believe what I believe for my own reasons, same as you. The difference is, I am not so annoying and retardedly smug and superior about my beliefs.

I respect others. You have no such respect. This lack of respect or tolerance for the beliefs of others is common among those who think like you. Is it coincidence? I doubt it.


Good luck to you, continued success and all that mumbo jumbo.

So many young and unenlighted souls here. At least begin to allow your minds to open to the possibilities of the higher dimensions. One day you will understand and it will make sense.

http://www.fh-worms.de/~inf448/pages...e/image008.jpg

Absitively. Awesome pics :thumbsup

Humans are too arrogant and fragile with their own mortality to believe we are not special enough to not have an afterlife or supreme being watching over us (never mind the arrogance that in this entire vast universe, our crappy little planet is the only place where life exists). It is a crutch used to justify their existence and actions, as well as to hide from their fears. Organized religion exploits this part of human nature, and is the ultimate form of population control. :2 cents:

That should read: "At least begin to allow your minds to open to the possibilities of the human brain."

Especially its capacity to conceive of all kinds of delusional nonsense!

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true

True. All energy in the universe is conserved.

100 physicists :glugglug

Instead of saying to others,

"You do not tolerate or respect the beliefs of others"

. . . you should be saying,

" I respect and tolerate those who believe in total crap and respect them no matter how stupid their beliefs."



Once you choose to believe something, you are (by definition) rejecting all other ideas. Whether you choose verbalize this stance or not has nothing to do with "tolerance" or "acceptance."

Actually there is more scientific proof that metaphysical "phenomena" like remote viewing etc works than anything you mentioned above yet people still label it as mumbo jumbo crystal ball stuff. You are conditioned as to what to believe daily by the scientific/medical community among others.

Of course you can alter the way a person behaves by altering their brain since the mind uses the brain as a vehicle to control the body and interact with the physical world.

But you cannot change who a person is by altering their brain. I can cut off your hand and it won't affect who you are, just your behaviour. You will be mad at me and screaming in pain but you will still be the same person.

I can mess with your car's steering or your brakes and everyone on the freeway will think you are a drunken idiot by the way you drive but have I actually changed you by doing this?

Well they say never get into arguments about religeon or politics as it usually dead ends. I had a feeling this thread would begin to degenerate into a pissing match but I would expect nothing less from GFY.

I am glad it brought so many open minded people out though so a big thanks to punker barbie. :) :thumbsup :)

I am not so quick to accept that our bodies are "rented" and that they "do not make us what we are" because I am counting on seeing bodies (like punker barbie's) once I get to heaven!

HEY, I guess I don't have to go to heaven . . . I could just check out the Miss GFY contest!!!

Most people believe what they want to be true. Works out rather conveniently.

If our bodies are "rented" then there are a lot of fat, unhealthy webmasters out there who won't be getting their deposits back.

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Where? Show it to me now. There is NO scientific proof remote viewing is real at all. After all these years, millions of dollars invested in it, there is simply np scientific proof. Even people like KRL who studied stuff like this for 30 years can bring nothing to the table when hes asked. Im sure he can talk for hours about it, give all these cool examples, knows how did what and when but proof?? No.

Im open to it, im very open minded, just show it to me man. Show me its real. So far all have failed.

If anybody wants to show me some proof in Florida during Internext, im available, im more than willing to listen and look at it. But for some reason i have the feeling nobody will do this. Proof me wrong, please.

Krl, i count on you. Are you going to Floriday in August? Of all people you with your 30 yr investigating can show me something right? You can show me something that will change my mind right?

Its always interesting watching the nihilist and the believers slug it out being that neither have any proof. Who cares if there is nothing happens after you die? Would it be so bad? You won't have to worry about anything, no pain, nothing? With the vastness of the universe who's to say your exact combination of molecules and electrical signals won't be created else where in time? Who knows, an identical copy of you may be having this exact same argument millions of light years away as we speak! Sort of an indirect reincarnation.

Personally I don't care. I don't have a religion and find the ideas of heaven and hell to be too childish to be reality.

No wives tale, and Eistien proved that a small amount of mass can turn into huge amonuts of energy with his famous equation, E=mc2. E being energy and m being mass , c being the speed of light,, you can see how a small amount of mass can produce huge amounts of energy.

I hope the afterlife has google :winkwink:

I have no desire to "convince" you.
I could hold an apple in front of your face and you could still say you don't believe in apples and I must have painted an orange red or something. :)

What is great is that you have an open mind and will consider the possibility that this or that may be true. :thumbsup

Some things I know to be true based on personal experience.
Some things I believe to be true based on the most logical explanation.

THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE.

The Earth is round is something I believe but not something I know as I have never been into space or travelled non-stop around the world.

Remote viewing however fits into both these categories.
I tried it once and was reasonably accurate in describing a target given only lat/long coords.

I have also attended lectures given by Joe McMoneagle, a top remote viewer who began his training in STARGATE, where he cited numerous examples of his abilities tested on television. It is not a perfect science with accuracies in the 50 to 75% range but well above chance.



I would love to talk metaphysics with you over a few beers but will probably be out of the country during Internext, but here is a quick example from your "neighborhood".


A documentary on French TV in Jan 2004

["Les Lundis de l'Investigation." Canal Plus (Network TV France)]

This is a show which includes a double-blind, live on-camera remote viewing which was successful. Joe did the remote viewing from his dining room in Virginia while the Outbounder target persons (people he was asked to target and describe as to their location) were in Paris, France. What is significant here, is that one of the Outbounders was the most vocal skeptic in France and the other was the head of the Parapsychological Association of America (Mario Varvoglis). As a result of the success, suit was brought to prevent the show from being aired on national television. The suit failed and it will be aired on a different channel on the 19th of January from the one originally intended. This is a significant showing in France - where the paranormal is generally not believed possible.

more here
http://www.mceagle.com/remote-viewing/France.shtml

his homepage here

http://www.mceagle.com/remote-viewing/




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True.

That said, sometimes the whole is more than the sum of it's parts.

The plane does not become lighter!

What difference does it make that they are flying or not? None what so ever.

Weight is force as a result of the pull of gravity on a mass.

The mass of the 747 is constant at all times even when the birds are flying so therefore their weight will always be the same.

Do any of you have a bird? If so put its cage on a scale and find its mass.....wait till the bugger gets flying (Alternatively prod it) and the mass will not change.

:) One of my all time favorite threads on GFY. Thanks again Punker Barbie :thumbsup