I keep hearing all this crap about Ccbill and the affiliate system so I checked the stats for this week myself...

Ratios between 6-14 - 6-21

1:1646.1
1:174
1:116
1:129.5
1:224
1:499
1:702

ETC.

We also did 3 test signups using various Credit cards, one mastercard and 2 Visa from 3 different people on a test affiliate account we set up, each was able to join with no problem and the stats showed each sale. 3 out of 3 seems good to us, I know its not a HUGE test but at least we tried to mix it up to see if we saw an issue.

the 1:1646.1 is the worst ratio in the list with 11.523 clicks and 7 sales. This is also an affiliate who has been pushing traffic to us since February 11th 2003 so his numbers tend to be a little higher in the ratio area since the people that goto his sites have been seeing our stuff for quite a while.

So at least on our site we are seeing good numbers. Maybe your just promoting oversaturated programs? If we had an affiliate converting as bad as your stating we would be emailing him to find out what he is doing and see if we could help bring those numbers down to our norm.

Try sending some of that traffic to us and see for yourself.

People are not really talking about sales.. but ratios...

I recently got couple of 0:5000 ... and one 1:10000 on sites that was sure would convert... and far from being over exposed... Not sure that CCbill is responsible since I do good on with other sites... but still remain a mystery...

I happen to know that biskoppen buys spots on The Hun (also in Holland) --- I'm curious as to what time of day The Hun adds new galleries?

If we agree that most sales come from the US, it would also make sense that ratios would look the worse during the early morning hours in the US, when people here are asleep. Who gets up at 5am before work to join a porn site?

Steve Lightspeed

me :Graucho
and it's 4:00 am
don't have very far 2 go though

From reading his post -- he is comparing his sales from ALL DAY YESTERDAY to the EARLY MORNING HOURS of TODAY

I can't wait until Biskoppen opens his own sites and program. He'll be back in 6 months with "Paysites for sale, any offers?" and an apology to CCbill. The grass is not always greener on the other side....


Steve Lightspeed

Steve doing a favor for your mates at CCbill?
This is certianly not like you to weigh in on a "my stats stink" thread. ;)

Steve,

I am ofcourse basing my claims of what I have experienced over a long time...

I am too, from time to time seeing tons of sales in the hours after CCBILL "updates" - but for the most these hours are the ones where the sales stops.

Steve, please understand that what I see is not just some fade out in sales .. we are talking this scenario .. : I can have maybe 6-7 sales in the last hour or two before CCBILL midnight, and then they change date to the next day and sales stops BANG! for sometimes up to 4-5 hours....

The two of us earlier discussed this when I had that Tawnee thing going ... one week I did 30+ sales from one HUN listing .. the next week I did like 3 sales with the exact same template..

I have been making galleries for a long time .. and buying spots for a long time .. long time enough to know that thats a very strange pattern ... I remember blaiming you for that huge drop - but actually, now, I think its not another one of the CCBILL sales holes I claim exists :)

As a sponsor, I have the luxury of seeing lots and lots of stats. Some affiliates do very well while others struggle, then suddenly fortunes change and it reverses itself.

Biskoppen has been very loud about his poor stats, but I'm sure you didn't see him posting here when he got huge sales to Tawnee Stone from one gallery on the Hun. All bad news and no good news always makes things look worse than they are!

CCbill is an honest company. They have claimed recently that they believe traffic is being stolen from their join pages, and I believe them. I don't hesitate to stand up for anyone who is being unjustly bashed by one or two people with limited information. Biskoppen has posted one "CCbill sucks" thread after another, and its about time someone calls bullshit on it.

Steve Lightspeed

hehe, I just did :) And before you made your post about it :)

Comon Steve - no affiliate brags about their success - I would be a moron to.

But sure, I mentioned the 30+ sales here to give you an example that you know isn't something I got from thin air ..

This is the first I've heard of it. Got a URL or thread ref?

On the affiliate side that would explain why we are seeing normal clicks, and no actual initial sales... but what about you program guys who are saying nothing is wrong? :)

50 Shitty Ratios :BangBang:

And let me add .. besides that drop from 30 to 3+ sales in one week with the same template I have nothing but thumbs up for your program .. Tawnee buyers stays forever .. so those 30 sales will easy end up being 60 ... and the 3 will maybe be 4 ;)

This is a very hard discussion because my only goal is to make money - the goal for site owners it to make money and make the next affiliate believe in their program

I am myself very soon launching some paysites - and maybe then, I will get smarter as you say - I have no clue at all :)

I believe this was answered above in the fact that its based on cookies and therefor its easy to lose them. The owner of the sites can still be geting the sales through just not with your revshare id attatched. Could be a lot fo norefer sales rolling in.

I have thought this for awhile, wonder if there is ANY why for us 2 check. Also I really wonder what they are doing about it or what we can do about it?????

Saw Kimmy post something about this awhile ago. I would think if they are doing it with ccbill they are doing it with other billing companies OR will be.

i think the last 2 weeks have been up and down with all billers. I've been flipping them like burgers and it seems on a bad scrubbing day they all scrub so it just sucks. I Bill always seems to have the least scrubs and the best rebill percentage from my data.
One thing I have noticed is it seems every biller gets nailed to the cross at times. It's just funny because everyone was toting how awesome ccbill is and now you guys are burning them at the stake. Who will it be next month?
cheers
Duke

I know :thumbsup

but I still wonder what ccbill is doing about .
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quote:Originally posted by Lightspeed

CCbill is an honest company. They have claimed recently that they believe traffic is being stolen from their join pages, and I believe them.
Steve Lightspeed
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touche'

hello,i dont know any problem,but it was the 1st time i saw someone hosting a ccbill paysite on his server and since i'm not familiar on how they track sales and what kind of code the paysite owner places on his domain i thought it's good to point it out.

im doing 1:417 today with ccbill

We're having the same EXACT problem. Would love to see it resolved.

Why don't you contact the site owner?

As a paysite owner, we get emailed every time a card is denied, so if it's scrubbing you're worried about, the owner can tell you exactly how many declines he got today, if any.

1:4000 with ccbill

all my sites use ccbill and I am doing great

Owners of paysites who do their on tgping can also lose full sales due to the cookies .

It is possible to use the ccbill linking codes in conjunction with a custom variable to set the webmaster ID in a session, so you don't need to rely on IP tracking or cookies. Nubiles.net takes advantage of the extra tracking techniques!

yes, hate to say it but i think there are problems at ccbill.

luckily i can change their position in processor lineup.

ratios have surely gone up, worst day ever today :(

Having 1 sale doesnt count :Graucho

I hate to say it but affiliates can be shaven with CCBill. We accidently did it a long time ago when we were trying to get things setup with them. CCBill helped us fix the problem but it was a very simple mistake. I would do a test signup and make sure you sales are being counted and works correctly. It could also be that something is not setup correctly with CCBill and members can not even signup. CCBill has so many options etc and one thing that is wrong can make it so the signup pages don't even work.

Mark

im not getting any sales from ccbill either, i realy hope it gets back to how it used to be real soon.

CCBill certainly is a honest company, but there must be some problem...just one example:

One site I advertise does 1:390 average for 1 year now, mostly SE traffic, worst day I've ever seen so far was around 1:1500.

Today 0:8572

Normal ? Bad luck ?

I think CCBill might be having some problems if there is this many people having bad ratios. I would call CCBill and have them do a test signup through and affiliate link and see if everything is working ok.

Mark

Over the past 6 years we have used Ibill, Globill, CCbill Probilling and Epoch.

We always have at least two billing company options on our sponsor site so that affiliates have the choice of CCbill or Epoch each has its own specific tour with only the one billing company on the join page.
Over the years Globill and for the most part Probilling are out of the running . Ibill due to innumerable problems have been dropped from our programs, but CCbill and Epoch seem to be performing as normal. We do have the luxury of seeing many more sign-ups than the average affiliate and we see ups and downs in sales on a daily basis, but average them out over a week or a month and we are showing an approximate increase this year over last of some 7% for CCbill and 5% for Epoch.




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As a sponser about to open 2 new sites I am certain to go with CCBill again, no problems with them really.

The one main thing I see from my side is that the ratios are all over the place. I have affiliates who are almost always under 1:100 and some who are 1:1500 and even worse.

When I look at where the conversions are coming from, it all makes sense. The high converting ones are extremely targeted pages you would assume already have surfers primed to pay for my content. Conversely the poorly converting ones are stuck on crap pages full of free traffic.

Its true it varies from week to week, sometimes blistering, and sometimes slow, and that does seem odd. But the high converting affiliates are always way ahead of the pack. You won't find people bragging about really good programs (unless there is an affiliate ref program) because they know the fewer of them the better.

Bottom line - from my vantage point conversions are still plenty good with the right traffic - with CCBill.

Im seeing that as well. My shemale site converts well for most affiliates, 1:400 and better. I have one guy the owns a VERY big Shemale TGP and is doing 1:8000. I cant figure this out at all. I know his traffic is good. The only thing I can think of is MAYBE he has allot of surfers from countries that CCbill does not allow!?!?!? What ever the case is, I just lost my biggest Shemale affiliate..that fucking sucks! :(

It is almost getting boring to say this, but here it goes again -

IF YOU DON'T USE MULTIPLE PROCESSORS IN A CASCADE, YOU ARE LEAVING LOTS OF SIGNUPS ON THE TABLE.

It is not just a CCBill "issue", it is all of the processors. They all scrub different on different days, times of the day, the month and by countries etc. etc. (I am simplifying this explanation of course) - the only way to pick up that slack is by sending your traffic through ANY sponsor that cascade its processors.

:2 cents:

the one sponsor I used with an MPA system, I converted HORRIBLY with. The funny thing is, before they went to "cascading" and used a single 3rd party processor, my ratios were 6X as good.

Is it true MPA has a built-in shave feature? I'm asking cause all I have done is heard and wouldn't want to spread the rumor any further, however, if it is true, I'd rather get scrubbed than shaved. I also wouldn't bring it up if I haven't heard multiple people say it.

I hope I just didn't scare you away, cause I would love an explanation for my shitty ratios. I doubt I'll see an answer from you pertaining to this issue, but surprise me. If you, as the developer of the system can vouch it doesn't have this shave feature, you will gain my full respect and once again I will continue to promote programs that use your system.

Worst day ever on CCbill today no sales and no rebills I belive this might be the first time in 4 years Ive havent had a single rebill for a day. The last 2 weeks have been the worse since I started useing CCbill sponsors.
Sponsors Im sending traffic to that use there own merchants are 300 to 1 today. When I load my stats for the past 2 years Im steady at 400 to 1 on CCbill.
The past 2 weeks are 5000 to 1 and people are still trying to say its just one of those strange weeks? Well I guess Im moving my traffic away from CCbill programes untill something changes or the truth comes out.

Sales to my sites (through CCBill) have been down a bit this week, and I am seeing more denials, but nothing is super out of whack.

I checked my affiliate sites I promote, and today I was at 1:246 (I don't send a ton of traffic to other sites), and for the last week or so I was 1:1300, so that's not real great. I see things totally fluctuate and go in waves, so I'll see a 1:200 and a 1:2000 the week after.

I have had problems in the past where my sales were wayyy down and something was obviously wrong, but lately nothing is too alarming to me.

jensex.com + bracesbabe.com (my ccbill paysites)