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Bake · 06-19-2004, 10:08 PM

CCbill is turning into a sad joke for me stats are all over the place for programes that have been my main income for years. I have a feeling that things are going change and the rats are packing.

vapewiz · 06-19-2004, 10:18 PM

CCbill is our main processor and sales are the same as always and increasing.

steve90 · 06-19-2004, 10:18 PM

CCbill is doing just fine for me

FiReC · 06-19-2004, 10:47 PM

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stev0 · 06-20-2004, 12:05 AM

CCBill scrubbing is rediculous these days... if your sales are growing it's because you're working harder and pulling more traffic.

Fact of the matter is that alot of valid cards are being declined, and it's because of the new visa chargeback regulations.

Not just by CCBill though... alot of other processors are pretty bad too.

foolio · 06-20-2004, 12:06 AM

I am having my best week of the year

macker · 06-20-2004, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by steve90
CCbill is doing just fine for me

DatingGold · 06-20-2004, 04:19 AM

I *think* Ibill scrubs less

body · 06-20-2004, 05:24 AM

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06-20-2004, 05:31 AM

I'm thinking the opposite. I'm seeing kilelr ratios, record sales and tons of rebills. If this is the summer slowdown, I can only hope that it'll come to a crawl!

Kicker · 06-20-2004, 05:50 AM

Its OK

emmanuelle · 06-20-2004, 06:41 AM

That's the silliest thing I've read here today.
If someone fails the scrubbing, the site owner receives a decline notice. We get about3/week, which is totally insignificant.

Trax · 06-20-2004, 07:25 AM

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Originally posted by emmanuelle
That's the silliest thing I've read here today.
If someone fails the scrubbing, the site owner receives a decline notice. We get about3/week, which is totally insignificant.

its a lot when pushing 10 sales / week

jk

benc · 06-20-2004, 07:26 AM

If Ibill had a good affiliate program like ccbill, I bet a lot of people would jump ship.

Doctor Dre · 06-20-2004, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by stev0
CCBill scrubbing is rediculous these days... if your sales are growing it's because you're working harder and pulling more traffic.

Fact of the matter is that alot of valid cards are being declined, and it's because of the new visa chargeback regulations.

Not just by CCBill though... alot of other processors are pretty bad too.

7 of my CCs have been turned down on 2checkout ...

TheSaint · 06-20-2004, 09:31 AM

My stats are a little down because of the summer slowdown I guess (ok some days a LOT down) but I really don't see CCBill as the culprit. My decline rate is more or less constant.

Overall the summer is working out OK for me albeit nowhere near as blistering as February/March.

In my view its just 10,000 paysites being launched a day and too much free porn, Kaaza and all the newsgroups, etc.

But overall I'm happy with CCBill and still seeing a good conversion rate, but yeah, have to work harder and smarter every day and invent new content or it all get stale and dies.

Keep in mind CCBill looses free money with every decline. They aren't going to throw away sales for absolutely no reason.

emmanuelle · 06-20-2004, 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by Trax
its a lot when pushing 10 sales / week

jk

funny :-P

you guys would be amazed at the volume we push. How else would we have an 11.5% rate through ccbill?

andrej_NDC · 06-20-2004, 10:11 AM

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Originally posted by emmanuelle
funny :-P

you guys would be amazed at the volume we push. How else would we have an 11.5% rate through ccbill?

Your sites are funny, I like them

Like this one
http://www.balloon-guys.com/btour1.htm
"Watch him blow until it pops"

I know there is a balloon fetish, but this is just too funny.

Doctor Dre · 06-20-2004, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by andrej_NDC
Your sites are funny, I like them
Like this one
http://www.balloon-guys.com/btour1.htm
"Watch him blow until it pops"
I know there is a balloon fetish, but this is just too funny.

OMFGOMFGOMFG this is a major guy ownage site

Doctor Dre · 06-20-2004, 10:13 AM

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Originally posted by emmanuelle
That's the silliest thing I've read here today.
If someone fails the scrubbing, the site owner receives a decline notice. We get about3/week, which is totally insignificant.

3 what ? scrubbed sales ?

So many people I know got their card refused ... if you get 3 a week then you get probably 2-3 signups .

I got a program that shows me scrubbed sales and its actually higher ammount then the one approved .

emmanuelle · 06-20-2004, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Doctor Dre
3 what ? scrubbed sales ?

So many people I know got their card refused ... if you get 3 a week then you get probably 2-3 signups .

I got a program that shows me scrubbed sales and its actually higher ammount then the one approved .

When you own a paysite, then your experiences will be more relevant

We get about 3 declines overall/week, and I promise you that we do more than 2-3 signups

eden69 · 06-20-2004, 11:06 AM

I don't know about you guys but stats for all ccbill sites have been down for me for about three days. I've tried going through a few proxy servers, some work and some don't depending on where the proxy is hosted.

FTVGirls · 06-20-2004, 11:09 AM

I'll give you a simple stat: 199 attempted signups yesterday with ccbill, 72 declines. Thats what I had for FTV. Hard scrubbing (1/3 of my signups!!!!) or a lot of people with stolen cards??

Doctor Dre · 06-20-2004, 11:11 AM

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Originally posted by emmanuelle
When you own a paysite, then your experiences will be more relevant

We get about 3 declines overall/week, and I promise you that we do more than 2-3 signups

Well I wasnt talking about paysite traffic ...

But for 350 $ of sales daily, 450 $ get scrubbed . Thats the stats I got .

Doctor Dre · 06-20-2004, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by FTVGirls
I'll give you a simple stat: 199 attempted signups yesterday with ccbill, 72 declines. Thats what I had for FTV. Hard scrubbing (1/3 of my signups!!!!) or a lot of people with stolen cards??

Exactly ... CC fraud exist but its so little . The guy scamming at the other line made the rules harder, not the cc scammers.

rdunn404 · 06-20-2004, 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by FTVGirls
I'll give you a simple stat: 199 attempted signups yesterday with ccbill, 72 declines. Thats what I had for FTV. Hard scrubbing (1/3 of my signups!!!!) or a lot of people with stolen cards??

Hmmmmmmm.

emmanuelle · 06-20-2004, 11:20 AM

You might consider the source of your traffic.
Also, is your traffic going directly to ccbill, or does the surfer give his info to the sponsor, who then passes it on to ccbill via a back end script?

Steve G · 06-20-2004, 11:26 AM

Dude, there will be at least 40% declines. No matter what.
Most of the surfers are not familiar with purchasing anything online. So they forget to enter their info properly then or they just mistype their CC.

There is no way in hell you can see anything over 95% success rate. Its just not possible.
And if you say you are doing lots of sales and only get 3 declines per week then i say you are full of shit.

BigPinPin · 06-20-2004, 11:27 AM

people still use ccbill???

chupacabra · 06-20-2004, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Steve G
Dude, there will be at least 40% declines. No matter what.
Most of the surfers are not familiar with purchasing anything online. So they forget to enter their info properly then or they just mistype their CC.

There is no way in hell you can see anything over 95% success rate. Its just not possible.
And if you say you are doing lots of sales and only get 3 declines per week then i say you are full of shit.

werd..

HarlotCash Dyker · 06-20-2004, 11:35 AM

I am used to a few daily declines - Usually around 7%.
Last week my declines ran at very close to 50% - Never, have I seen a decline ratio like that and I have been going since 96.

My theory is ccbill have a ratio to keep to, and if the bigger guys go well over that ratio, they make it up by screwing the smaller guy - As I said - Just a theory.

garett · 06-20-2004, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by FTVGirls
I'll give you a simple stat: 199 attempted signups yesterday with ccbill, 72 declines. Thats what I had for FTV. Hard scrubbing (1/3 of my signups!!!!) or a lot of people with stolen cards??

That's insane. I wish affiliates could see the decline stats as well... I'd like to know how many potential sales I've had.

I'm getting a few refunds lately and my first ever ccbill chargeback last month.. which just floored me. I've never had any refunds or chargebacks since I started in November.. and then all of a sudden last month like 3 refunds and 1 chargeback. Knocked me off my chair.

I wonder if that's an indicator as to why they're scrubbing so hard now. Maybe they've had a lot of refunds and chargebacks.

doober · 06-20-2004, 12:24 PM

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Originally posted by BigPinPin
people still use ccbill???

who are you using?

Kimmykim · 06-20-2004, 01:54 PM

The theory that any processor is scrubbing that much more to work on chargebacks doesn't hold water.

If you don't do as many transactions or more every month versus the previous month, then your ratios will climb even if the number of cb's stays the same.

I also would think that any processor would want to push as many transactions through as they could, since they lose money on declines, since they still pay a fee to get the authorization.

BVF · 06-20-2004, 03:00 PM

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Originally posted by emmanuelle
That's the silliest thing I've read here today.
If someone fails the scrubbing, the site owner receives a decline notice. We get about3/week, which is totally insignificant.

There is no way in hell you're only getting three a week if you're doing even minimal sales. IMPOSSIBLE!

I don't care how "good the traffic" is. It's fucking impossible. You can get more then three declines a week just on people who have one card declined and then whip out ANOTHER card. That's not including people with no money and from foreign countries.

candyflip · 06-20-2004, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
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06-20-2004, 05:24 AM	#9
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06-19-2004, 10:18 PM	#2
vapewiz Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,530	CCbill is our main processor and sales are the same as always and increasing.

06-19-2004, 10:18 PM	#3
steve90 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 2,397	CCbill is doing just fine for me

06-20-2004, 12:05 AM	#5
stev0 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta Posts: 6,801	CCBill scrubbing is rediculous these days... if your sales are growing it's because you're working harder and pulling more traffic. Fact of the matter is that alot of valid cards are being declined, and it's because of the new visa chargeback regulations. Not just by CCBill though... alot of other processors are pretty bad too.

06-20-2004, 05:31 AM	#10
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	I'm thinking the opposite. I'm seeing kilelr ratios, record sales and tons of rebills. If this is the summer slowdown, I can only hope that it'll come to a crawl!

06-20-2004, 05:50 AM	#11
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06-20-2004, 06:41 AM	#12
emmanuelle Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oh Canada! Posts: 3,662	That's the silliest thing I've read here today. If someone fails the scrubbing, the site owner receives a decline notice. We get about3/week, which is totally insignificant.

06-20-2004, 07:26 AM	#14
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06-20-2004, 09:31 AM	#16
TheSaint Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Everywhere at once Posts: 991	My stats are a little down because of the summer slowdown I guess (ok some days a LOT down) but I really don't see CCBill as the culprit. My decline rate is more or less constant. Overall the summer is working out OK for me albeit nowhere near as blistering as February/March. In my view its just 10,000 paysites being launched a day and too much free porn, Kaaza and all the newsgroups, etc. But overall I'm happy with CCBill and still seeing a good conversion rate, but yeah, have to work harder and smarter every day and invent new content or it all get stale and dies. Keep in mind CCBill looses free money with every decline. They aren't going to throw away sales for absolutely no reason. __________________ I have no signature

06-20-2004, 11:06 AM	#22
eden69 Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: MN Posts: 114	I don't know about you guys but stats for all ccbill sites have been down for me for about three days. I've tried going through a few proxy servers, some work and some don't depending on where the proxy is hosted.

06-20-2004, 11:09 AM	#23
FTVGirls So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Phoenix AZ Posts: 1,052	I'll give you a simple stat: 199 attempted signups yesterday with ccbill, 72 declines. Thats what I had for FTV. Hard scrubbing (1/3 of my signups!!!!) or a lot of people with stolen cards??

06-20-2004, 11:20 AM	#27
emmanuelle Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Oh Canada! Posts: 3,662	You might consider the source of your traffic. Also, is your traffic going directly to ccbill, or does the surfer give his info to the sponsor, who then passes it on to ccbill via a back end script? Last edited by emmanuelle; 06-20-2004 at 11:22 AM..

06-20-2004, 11:26 AM	#28
Steve G Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 209	Dude, there will be at least 40% declines. No matter what. Most of the surfers are not familiar with purchasing anything online. So they forget to enter their info properly then or they just mistype their CC. There is no way in hell you can see anything over 95% success rate. Its just not possible. And if you say you are doing lots of sales and only get 3 declines per week then i say you are full of shit.

06-20-2004, 11:27 AM	#29
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06-20-2004, 11:35 AM	#31
HarlotCash Dyker Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: At a whorehouse near you Posts: 1,828	I am used to a few daily declines - Usually around 7%. Last week my declines ran at very close to 50% - Never, have I seen a decline ratio like that and I have been going since 96. My theory is ccbill have a ratio to keep to, and if the bigger guys go well over that ratio, they make it up by screwing the smaller guy - As I said - Just a theory. __________________ !!!Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash!!!

06-20-2004, 01:54 PM	#34
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	The theory that any processor is scrubbing that much more to work on chargebacks doesn't hold water. If you don't do as many transactions or more every month versus the previous month, then your ratios will climb even if the number of cb's stays the same. I also would think that any processor would want to push as many transactions through as they could, since they lose money on declines, since they still pay a fee to get the authorization.