What is Kerry's stance on porn?

[ADL Colin]

I am very interested in Kerry's stance on the law and porn. I know Bush's stance. It's not good. The first thing I thought of is to see how Kerry voted on the Communications Decency Act. Here are the votes.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll...on=1&vote=00263

It was bill S. 652

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c104...45Eyuj:e253573:

I am disappointed to find out Kerry voted for it. Anyone else have any other info on other bills or any comments he may have made over the years?

[Rick Latona]

Better than Bush's.

[KRL]

Traditionally Democratic administrations are less agressive than Republicans when it comes to porn.

[the real magoo]

More taxes?

[Rick Latona]

Originally posted by the real magoo
More taxes?

I choose more taxes and more personal liberties over less taxes and less personal liberties. What's your choice? Those are the ones you are facing.

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by KRL
Traditionally Democratic administrations are less agressive than Republicans when it comes to porn.

What I want to know is what Kerry's stance is.

Clinton signed CDA. Carter was interviewed in Playboy Magazine.

"Christ said, 'I tell you that anyone who looks on a woman with lust has in his heart already committed adultery.' I've looked on a lot of women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times. This is something that God recognizes I will do -- and I have done it -- and God forgives me for it. But that doesn't mean that I condemn someone who not only looks on a woman with lust but who leaves his wife and shacks up with somebody out of wedlock. Christ says, Don't consider yourself better than someone else because one guy screws a whole bunch of women while the other guy is loyal to his wife." - Jimmy Carter

[KRL]

Originally posted by Colin
What I want to know is what Kerry's stance is.

Clinton signed CDA. Carter was interviewed in Playboy Magazine.

"Christ said, 'I tell you that anyone who looks on a woman with lust has in his heart already committed adultery.' I've looked on a lot of women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times. This is something that God recognizes I will do -- and I have done it -- and God forgives me for it. But that doesn't mean that I condemn someone who not only looks on a woman with lust but who leaves his wife and shacks up with somebody out of wedlock. Christ says, Don't consider yourself better than someone else because one guy screws a whole bunch of women while the other guy is loyal to his wife." - Jimmy Carter

I don't think you'll find too many politicians Colin that will come outright and say "Sure I support Porn".

[Major (Tom)]

I look at it this way.. Porn is my business. Bush is directly opposed to my business. And, although I am in the tax bracket that benefits from Bush's cuts, it will do me no good if my business is one day illegal. Regardless of Kerrys tax plan to tax guys in the higher income bracket, fortunatley when you have a few extra bucks you can afford to pay people who's job is to keep you from getting hit by those taxes. That's how I see it.
Cheers
Duke

[Furious_Male]

Kerry flip flops his views anyway so I wouldn't take any recent votes to heart.

One thing to consider though. The Bush anti-porn attack is quickly picking up speed and power. Getting him out of office would at least kill that for the time being. Regardless of Kerrys stance he has a lot more to worry about then porn if he does manage to win. This would give the industry time to put up a stronger defensive (or offensive).

[benc]

How has the porn business really been affected in these four years. A couple that sold rape fantasy videos got busted? What else. Its not that much. I bet in the same time frame there was just as many in Canada as here.


The industry is evolving, and outside forces really won't change the enevitable.

I want to pay as low of taxes as possible.

[Loryn]

Kerry is a Catholic and he has stated that his faith is very important to him and he bases his life on his faith.

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by Furious_Male
Kerry flip flops his views anyway so I wouldn't take any recent votes to heart.

One thing to consider though. The Bush anti-porn attack is quickly picking up speed and power. Getting him out of office would at least kill that for the time being. Regardless of Kerrys stance he has a lot more to worry about then porn if he does manage to win. This would give the industry time to put up a stronger defensive (or offensive).

I agree on Kerry flip flops.

What you said is the number one reason I choose Kerry over Bush at this time. There's some anti-porn momentum and a Kerry win will likely kill it.

[mardigras]

Originally posted by benc


I want to pay as low of taxes as possible.

Don't worry, your taxes will drop tremendously when you have to switch to a "legal" local job.

[VideoJ]

Porn is an easy bone for bush to toss to his conservative christian supporters. So it'll get worst with bush re-elected.

The clinton administration viewed porn as low on the priority list of things that needed attention by justice. I suspect Kerry will see things the same way. His justice department will probably spend more time on large corprations like Microsoft and Enron, then on small porn producers.

[AnalProbe]

Kerry is one of my best paying members.

Don't worry.

[Nysus]

Hopefully people aren't confusing anti-porn with pro-protecting minors/children. Kerry is pro-protection but not against it AFAIK.

Cheers,
Matt

[Mike AI]

Come on, wake up. To get another 10 votes, Kerry would round up every pornographer and throw them into jail. He is a lifetime politician who beleives in nothing but trying to secure himself more power and money.

This industry is no safer with Kerry then it is with Bush. To think otherwise is wishful thinking or ignorance.

All politicians would scape goat this industry in a second if it meant getting more votes, or covering up other embarassing issues.

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by Nysus
Hopefully people aren't confusing anti-porn with pro-protecting minors/children. Kerry is pro-protection but not against it AFAIK.

Cheers,
Matt

I think CDA is more than just protecting minors. The ACLU fought against it and the Supreme Court ruled against it. During my time in adult, CDA was the time when fear of the government was at it's greatest. People today may fear a Bush crusade against porn but I think the fear was much greater in 1996 than today.

How do you know Kerry is NOT anti-porn? This is really the question I am asking.

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Mike AI
Come on, wake up. To get another 10 votes, Kerry would round up every pornographer and throw them into jail. He is a lifetime politician who beleives in nothing but trying to secure himself more power and money.

This industry is no safer with Kerry then it is with Bush. To think otherwise is wishful thinking or ignorance.

All politicians would scape goat this industry in a second if it meant getting more votes, or covering up other embarassing issues.

there is a difference between what COULD happen and what we've already seen starting to happen with the Bush administration.

I think I'll go with the facts as they are and not how they could be.

[Keev]

Didnt know Kerry had a stance on anything.... He jsut crys wolf it seems It sucks when you have two shitty candidates

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by benc
How has the porn business really been affected in these four years. A couple that sold rape fantasy videos got busted? What else. Its not that much. I bet in the same time frame there was just as many in Canada as here.


The industry is evolving, and outside forces really won't change the enevitable.

I want to pay as low of taxes as possible.

if it wasn't for sept 11th, the industry would have been much more affected...

[Fletch XXX]

Doesnt REALLY matter what a persons view is.

Constitution still stands.

This is before I was even born.

http://usconservatives.about.com/lib.../aa060602a.htm

Miller v. California" (1973) spawned the current legal definition of obscenity: "In order to be considered to be obscene, the works in question have to depict or describe sexual conduct in a way that is patently offensive to local community standards and which is specifically prohibited in state law; and, taken as a whole, it has to appeal to a prurient interest in sex and lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value."

Im gload i live in caluifornia communities

hehehe

nothing can shock this communitiy, news shows dead teenagers on the news nightly, a little skin dont affect these jurors.

[Mike AI]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
there is a difference between what COULD happen and what we've already seen starting to happen with the Bush administration.

I think I'll go with the facts as they are and not how they could be.

Please document the Facts of what Bush has done to crack down on porn.

Hiring A shc roft is not an answer, the fed's have done nothing to crack down on porn in the past 3 years.

Bush was a wild child when he was in college, in a rowy frat, drank a lot - I would think he has seen more porn then Kerry.

I do not trust anyone who has been working to be President since he was born Carefully trying to craft an image, flip flopping on issues trying to get any type of following he can. Professional politicians are the people who scare me.

Has Kerry ever had a real job? Besides the "cookie company" ?

[eroswebmaster]

Originally posted by Mike AI
Please document the Facts of what Bush has done to crack down on porn.

Hiring A shc roft is not an answer, the fed's have done nothing to crack down on porn in the past 3 years.

How about filing the first federal obscenity case in a decade?
Extreme Associates...and if you think this isn't just testing the waters...LOL well I don't have to finish that sentence ;)

[crockett]

Originally posted by Colin
What I want to know is what Kerry's stance is.

Clinton signed CDA. Carter was interviewed in Playboy Magazine.

"Christ said, 'I tell you that anyone who looks on a woman with lust has in his heart already committed adultery.' I've looked on a lot of women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times. This is something that God recognizes I will do -- and I have done it -- and God forgives me for it. But that doesn't mean that I condemn someone who not only looks on a woman with lust but who leaves his wife and shacks up with somebody out of wedlock. Christ says, Don't consider yourself better than someone else because one guy screws a whole bunch of women while the other guy is loyal to his wife." - Jimmy Carter

damn religion really fucks with peoples heads doesn't it? Religion is nothing more than a guilt trip to keep people in line.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by crockett
damn religion really fucks with peoples heads doesn't it? Religion is nothing more than a guilt trip to keep people in line.

its very simple.

Thomas Paine knew it in 1794, its a shame more people havent listened in the hundreds of years past this.

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."

Thomas Paine "The Age Of Reason" 1794

one of the truest statements ever written from the heart of man.

[Babagirls]

although both of them are bad canadates, Kerry is lookin like the lesser of the two evils atm. but, as said in this thread, he flip flops around.

getting Bush out and Kerry in will definatly put a delay on any actions against this biz, but it would just be temporary. the obvious thing to do is to look at who would be better long term, instead of short-term "pausing & delaying" the issue(s). and right now, thats pretty damn impossible to see.

as ladyM said, Kerry has strong beliefs in his faith and will most likely apply that to his possible presidency. so, either way, the biz looks like it might be fucked with in the next 4 years.

Also, i agree with mardigras. if your going to choose less taxes now, its going to hurt you more than you will ever even thought of. just my

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by eroswebmaster
How about filing the first federal obscenity case in a decade?
Extreme Associates...and if you think this isn't just testing the waters...LOL well I don't have to finish that sentence ;)

I must be missing something. There's a Baltimore Sun articles which states - as you were refering, "In this field office in Washington, 32 prosecutors, investigators and a handful of FBI agents are spending millions of dollars to bring anti-obscenity cases to courthouses across the country for the first time in 10 years."

Yet, According to EOUSA:

Federal Prosecutions of Obscenity Cases

Cases prosecuted
1992 44
1993 25
1994 28
1995 26
1996 18
1997 20
1998 13
1999 11
2000 20

Source: http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/inspection/...07/results.htm

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Thomas Paine knew it in 1794

My favorite political writer of that period.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Colin
My favorite political writer of that period.

anyone (anything) else you could recommend to read during that period would be more than appreciated.

[Fletch XXX]

anyone wanting to read more from The Age Of Reason

heres the whole thing online.

http://www.infidels.org/library/hist...son/part1.html

[crockett]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
its very simple.

Thomas Paine knew it in 1794, its a shame more people haven't listened in the hundreds of years past this.



Thomas Paine "The Age Of Reason" 1794

one of the truest statements ever written from the heart of man.

yea he was a smart man, I've always felt religion was invented just to keep people under control. A set of laws before there were real laws if you will. Unfortunately it has survived and has caused much trouble for man kind.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

If I had my way no one would see porn till they paid and validated there age...

Period.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by crockett
yea he was a smart man, I've always felt religion was invented just to keep people under control. A set of laws before there were real laws if you will. Unfortunately it has survived and has caused much trouble for man kind.

the second part of Age Of Reason addresses religion, more good reading.

http://www.infidels.org/library/hist...son/part2.html

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Heya Fletch I wanna link ya on ialien if ya get time can ya throw me a 90X35? No recip required

[ADL Colin]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
anyone (anything) else you could recommend to read during that period would be more than appreciated.

John Locke and David Hume are excellent.
In particular, Hume's "balance of power" essay is good. The Federalist papers and the anti-Federalist papers are good.
Have you read Paine's "Common Sense"?