Hehe, that was too harsh. :2 cents:

yikes

I don't think America or any other country should "rescue" them.

For some reason i was commenting on Zimbabwe... i was just sort of skimming the thread and picked it up.

South Africa is another story all together. I am not saying that killing is ok, revenge killings are ok etc. But Jesus Christ! Look at what white people did to blacks in THEIR OWN COUNTRY in South Africa. I knew a rich guy from Johannesburg who went hunting with my father in Alaska frequently and he could not stop bragging about the fact that he loved shooting blacks that wandered on to his property without permission... and that not only was it fun... it was legal.

So... I should give a fuck that blacks turn around and treat whites just as harsh or harsher than whites did for decades in their own back yard when they finally have the chance to do so? I could care less. It seems to me that a logical person would expect it. If whites don't like being treated like shit or living in fear... Then they should leave. It's that simple. Why become another statistic while bitching and complaining about "rights" and trying to win a losing argument about people who would rather see you dead anyway... and some would say for very good reason.

100's of 1000's of blacks are being butchered in Sudan and thats NOT as important as a couple hundrend whites in South Africa? I guess it's not always about the math.

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someone already said it perfectly;

"Fall back, fight back or leave, those are the options in this type of situation."

Otherwise why bother. Albanians Kosovs has been on drug trafficking list for years and suddenly they become the freedom fighters.. Usama Bin Ladin has been coached by US to fight those viscous Russians. You know, they were WRONG to attack Afghanistan, but you know what ? now is the right time to do so? God bless America..

In 1937 Hitler made similar statement.

without even having to read the shit that I assume will be in this thread...



YES!!!!!!!



those blonde hair'd Dutch chicas are fine...we need to save that p00ty and the people that make it!


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Oh for Christ?s sakes.. You tell me if a rancher in Texas shoots a poacher in south east Texas it won?t be illegal? It S. Africa those are bushmen.. people with out identity.. with out home. Fucking liberal assholes that think they know what?s going on. Have you been any farther than mexico or Canada?

Who said it's not as important as the situation in Sudan? Sudan is looking like it could be the next Rwanda. Possibly even worse. It's extremely important, but It's not the topic of discussioln and thus, is irrelevant.

To be honest, i think any white person is nuts to stay in south africa. My family got the hell out of Africa because we knew the shit was going to hit the fan, and every white person was going to be put in a shitty position regardless of their opinion of black people. But on the other hand, that is their country too. They are African. They have every right to be there.

I totally support the idea of land redistribution, and so do a lot of white people that live and have lived in Africa. You must understand that it was white people that ended apartheid in south africa and it was white people that made it possible for a black leader *cough* to emerge in Zimbabwe. But the current land redistribution going on in Africa, particularly in Zimbabwe is ridiculous. It is too much, too soon, and it is often carried out with brutal violence.

South Africa is handling the situation a bit better, but they are still trying to do too much too soon, and it's causing a lot of shit.

It's not a problem you can fix in a day, or a year, or even in a decade. It's going to take many years. The way the issues are being handled are making it worse for everybody, including black people.

They ONLY did it because of years of intense international pressure, UN pressure and sanctions... it was not done willingly or for the good of the people. They faught tooth and nail to keep the status quo and lost. Don't make it sound like white people were there doing blacks a lot of favors and were really kind to finally start treating them like human beings.

and it will be a much better place under the new rulers?



puh-fucking-lease...show me a country in Africa that ANYONE in ANY fucking country or fringe of reality would WANT to replicate??



PS: 50 angry ____________ I'm told there are words banned here...

The UN can apply about as much pressure as a squirrel. The most important role in ending apartheid was played by South Africans, both white and black.

I was addressing his remark that "white people made it possible for them to have a black government"

I have no fucking idea what you are talking about. I am not defending anyone. I could not give a fuck what happens in South Africa and who kills who. I was just saying that it should not come as a huge surprise that blacks want to oppress and kill whites now that they can. Seems very logical to me.

F.W. de Klerk single handedly had a bigger impact on the end of apartheid than the United Nations ever could have had.

By the way. White South Africans didn't want Apartheid to end? I'm sure the National Party didn't want it to end, but you should probably inform yourself of the facts before you open your mouth!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/d...00/2524695.stm

ya canada and france :thumbsup

you are "more informed" because you did a google search to find some sort of argument?

*yawn*

No, because i already knew of the referendum. I already knew that the majority of white people had voted in favour of ending apartheid. Sorry, in future i won't back up my claims with evidence.

it will also seem logical when the return sentiment is exacted?


...again the circle of violence is rolling...

that did not happen over night. i am 34 years old and can remember this issue without my google search bar. it took a long time to strike apartheid down and the whole world was putting pressure on them to do it. it's not like S.A. people just woke up one day and said "oh.. this is some fucked up shit, we need to stop it" before any damage was done.

There have been white people fighting for the rights of black people in South Africa long before it even became a blip on the UN's radar. South African people don't give a fuck what anybody else thinks. They did what they wanted to do because they thought it was right. There has been white opposition to apartheid since before you were born! Of course it didn't happen overnight, but my point is that it was ultimately africans that decided what happened; not the UN.

very true, they had pressue for quite a while before they gave up that shit...

Anyone who assumes someone is racist simply due to the name of the real estate on which he/she was born, is committing the very act they want to think they're condemning. Most white Africans are peaceful folk. What is going on there is terrible to both the white Africans and the silent majority of indigenous Africans. *Absolutely* we should be stepping in and helping. We won't, but we should. We aren't doing anything because they're white, which speaks to the deep problems of racialism in the west. We should also be helping in the Sudan. We're not doing that for racial reasons, too.

>hemselves into more and more of a >homogenous race the indians, jews, >asians and arabs will be the purest >races on the planet, in my opinion

There's no such thing as the "Indian", "Jewish" and "Arab" "races". Jews and many Arabs (except for Persians and a few other examples) are of the same race. They're genetically identical. Indians (East India people) are a phase between African and Asian, with more African than Asian. There's no such thing as a "white" race, there is only a caucasian sub-race that is a mixture of both African and Asian genetics. In other words, we're all mixtures of everything - particularly white people.

We're all just one endless genetic "polyglot" from one extreme to another.

As for Native Americans, there aren't enough full-blood NAs to fit in a 747. The rest of us are mixed heritage. Very few of us have ties to a reservation...most do not. Many tribes have no reservation designation at all.

And the Canadian indigenous folk are no better or worse off than the US ones. I know. I read Council Fires from both sides. We all have the same complaints (which are very similar to the complaints from everyone else).

so your point is something like "Blacks should be thankful for decades of oppression under international observation and be greatful BECAUSE South African whites finally changed their minds before the international community did it for them"

Are you posting from a log cabin in the mountains of Northern Idaho?

Uhh, no. That is not my point at all. I love how you try to twist my words around, though. What white people have done to black people in Africa in the past is horrendous. However, blaming the current generation of white people for what's happened is ridiculous. Afterall, not only these people not those that were have opressed black people for hundreds of years, these are the people that were trying to end opression of black people by advancing their freedom (ending apartheid, finally allowing black people to vote, etc).

You cannot blame the current generation for the sins of the past, especially when they are trying to right past wrongs.

You say things like "payback's a bitch" in regards to women, children and hardworking farmers being raped, beaten and murdered in the most brutal ways imaginable. If you truly believe that they somehow deserve that, then you are scum.

There are good and decent white people in South Africa that don't deserve the stigma associated with being a white african, that believe in equality and in the rights of black people. The referendum of '92 only furthers that point. If you don't believe that, then you should probably not even bother to reply any longer, because it simply proves how ignorant you are of the situation.

All this stuff is stuff that has happened in my short lifetime... the oppression, the abolishment of apartheid, the complete failure of Johannasburg/South Africa and retribution against white people. Lets not talk about them all like they are events spanning many generations.

did you just get done reading "the good people who kill and the good people who love them"?

i mean of course the events span many generations... but Blacks today experienced all those things. hence, the anger. its not like it all happened 500 years ago and its just stupid to be upset about it.

Your wasting your time trying to explain it to pleasurepays boet.

The problem is that a lot of people did leave and now are being sent back my INS. I live in a very small, fairly upscale community. We have a couple working at a local store that fled Africa. They are now being denied assylum because of some loop hole in the Patriot Act or some bullshit. They were not part of the problem and they were forced out of the country they grew up in, but now they are going to have to go back and face death because nobody in DC can figure out what a terrorist looks like.

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