Yes..that and others.

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I wonder if one day it will be like star wars and all the countries will just have robots to do all the fighting against each other.

He can speak for himself...I will speak for myself...and in answer to your question...no. It is not necessary to use nukes to take out Iran's nuclear plans...ie Israel did not strike with nukes when they took out Saddam's nuclear plans.

Half States, half Canada.

DOH!!!

Did I ask you? NO! So butt out! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Does not address the fact...that I have never advocated the use of nukes...against any country...at anytime...now does it? You either cannot comprehend what you read or just prefer to make up shit/lie...take you pick kid.

No...kid...I do as I choose...and not as you choose...you uncomprehending...clown.

I love GFY.

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I know what you mean. On days when I'm down, or feel like I'm "out of it", I just log on here and read any of theking's posts.

Then I realize how blessed I am with the ability to think & reason!
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BTW...you have failed to answer the question and take your pick. You either have a comprehension problem...or you just make up shit/lie...as you have demonstated more than once in this thread alone...as regards KRL and myself...and if I looked closely there are probably others as well.

I can see that as a possible scenario, but at this moment nothing is sure. At least it shouldnt be. Before a thinker proceeds to a decision, he balances positives and negatives aspects. Currently, america faces a situation which is among with other factors an outcome of wrong past decisions. Decisions on world politics are taken extremely slow because parties must ensure all possible impacts and situations. What will be the next day of such war? How many new friends or enemies each part will have gain? Thousands questions.

for example

Today's headline: China hopes to solve Iranian nuclear issue peacefully

" However, the right to peaceful use of nuclear energy by all countries including Iran should be respected, Zhang said. "

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_1534848.htm

Now I dont see China against West anytime soon(if ever). It's one of the factors though that must be considered.

It's almost like being in medicine and for years you treated the common cold or flu virii. Then one day a retro-virus comes along and treatment and side effects of treatment are VERY complicated and hard to figure out.

You must move with diligence in both cases.

Nothing like stating the obvious...kid.

BTW...you have failed to answer the question and take your pick. You either have a comprehension problem...or you just make up shit/lie...as you have demonstated more than once in this thread alone...as regards KRL and myself...and if I looked closely there are probably others as well.


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:ak47: :ak47: :ak47: :ak47: I have to many fucking friends over there fighting a war that can't really ever be won. Just bomb them back to the stone age and let them kill them self. Get are men and women out of there.

Remember the episode of the original Star Trek where war was fought by computers and people would be notified that they were casualties and had to report to "extermination chambers"?

The real Iraq war is just beginning..

gene roddenberry is turning over in his graves thinking about PDAs and how Star Trek basically predicts shit.

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I envy your optimism. The way I see it they will push Israel right into the sea before too long..same as the last crusades..

Your tower must be a tall one if you don't see the starving masses below.

Yeh, I watched Star Trek every episode growing up. Never liked the sequels though. Just the original.

Of all the countries in the world the United States should fear its China. That one would be a close call if we ever went head to head.

The saving grace is we are both incredibly dependent on each other for trade and commerce. I'm sure the politico's knew building such a monstrous relationship would be the way to prevent eventual conflict between these two powerful countries.

The other saving grace is China knows damn well its people will rebel if they see an opportunity and I don't think China wants to take that chance of letting its military loose.

Light of 100 suns.
http://www.hosfeltgallery.com/MichaelLight/
Very cool photos here.


http://www.bikiniatoll.com/
Very sad shit here.

Great videos :thumbsup The A-10 is a small plane but tough as nails and packs a punch :)

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/1076.wmv
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/1234.mpeg
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/534.mov

:thumbsup

Great photography on those!

Thanks!

Damn!! Cool technology.

Not to mention storage of data on rigid disquettes and cd's .... voice command to computer...

Moralizing and shield beating are natural enough reactions for individuals. But for the US, the Middle East is ultimately a foreign policy issue. As such, the only thing which matters is the purely pragmatic consideration of whether that policy works.

For context, start with an understanding of how much good will there was towards the British when they filled the vacuum left behind as the Ottoman Empire collapsed. One measure is that Kuwait and other countries were content to remain British protectorates into the 1960's. There is absolutely no history of anti-western sentiment in the region. How could there be when for hundreds of years the area was a crossroads for trade between Europe and the Far East?

The hatred of the west in general and the US in particular is entirely a consequence of US foreign policy over the past 70+ years. We started out driven by simple commercial greed. But by the time the Arabs woke up to what their oil was worth and wanting control of it, the US had a society and an economy based entirely on the premise of cheap oil. Instead of dealing honestly and openly with the Arabs, we began to interfere in their politics and embarked on a policy with the sole purpose of de-stabilizing most of the region. At the same time, we propped up unpopular regimes in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

Thus far we have had our cheap oil. But in the process we guaranteed the rise of Arab nationalism and Moslem fundamentalism. Like it or not, 911 was one consequence.

It's doubtful if we can turn back, because even before the second invasion of Iraq we had gone too far and events had gained a momentum of their own. So what now?

Except as an act of dog in the manger, we can't turn the Middle East into a "parking lot". Given the cost of occupying Iraq and what we are seeing there, military occupation of even the four main oil producing countries hardly seems realistic.

And we shall be talking about the whole region soon. Although to suit US internal politics, recent events in Saudi Arabia have been blamed in the mainstream media on Al Quaeda, the reality is that anti-royalist factions have been increasing their activities for years. They are going to succeed sooner rather than later and when the Al Sauds are overthrown, the royal family of Kuwait will fall soon after.

Then, apart from Israel, which in the oil context is irrelevant except as a divisive factor, there will not be a single even nominally US ally of any importance in the whole Middle East. Right now we are suffering because the oil refining companies are playing with supplies (and prices). Anyone who remembers the early 70's has some appreciation of the potential impact of having made enemies of all the major crude suppliers.

nice post... too bad most won't or can't read it.

I read it. Good post indeed.

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that is why you are not part of "most" ...:thumbsup

i read it and im hungover.

even with a headache my attention span is better then the average beer guzzling 'Merikkkan

ive got mixed feelings about all of it
im glad im not the man who has to make the decision

there are ups and downs to both actions

damn we are in a fucked up situation here bush
get your head out of your ass

I just woke up and had a nightmare dream of the World Trade Center event. God I just can't shake that one out of my system.

Its still so hard to fathom that those 2 buildings were taken down in that violent way, and are completely gone now and 3,000 people were crushed alive when the towers collapsed.

My father had an office in there at one point in his life when I was growing up.

:(