100 suicide missions :BangBang:

To those (With the exception of kingie, who is certifiable) who are suggesting that we NUKE Iran (and anyone else that gives us any lip), I can only hope you are MOSTLY kidding.

There was a reason we negotiated very hard for a nuclear test ban treaty so that we did not put any more radioactive waste into the air, or pollute our waters, our land, even our children.

Radioactive fallout knows no boundaries. Even if you are saying "but it's low yield!". And even if we have 10,000 tons of ebola virus that could kill EVERYONE in Iran (or any other country), any SANE scientist/high level military personnel/politician would tell you that to attack with any of the above would be pure folly and would not obtain the goal of stopping terrorism.

If we followed the lead of those advocating escalating war beyond conventional means, then we are just as guilty as the terrorists we hate because then WE would be killing innocent men, women, and children. The very people were are railing about being killed now.

Do you even have a clue as to what the half life is of strontium 90? The poison in the air that would circle the globe for decades?

"Strontium-90 is a radioactive isotope of strontium that is produced in nuclear fission. It is a low energy emitter with a physical half-life of approximately 28 years. In the environment, it is accompanied by its decay product, yttrium-90, also a emitter."

"Oral intake at high levels of activity results in irradiation of target organs and nearby tissues. At high exposures, death results from radiation-induced hemorrhagic syndrome; at lower exposures, death results from destruction of the bone marrow. As survival times increase at lower administered activities, these effects are accompanied by neoplasms."

http://risk.lsd.ornl.gov/tox/profile..._90_c_V1.shtml

Possible Scenario:

Iraq has no military power to speak of. Iran which has 12 Million men capable of military service invades Iraq after the handover to seize southern oil fields and then pushes into Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

Syrian troops enter Iraq from the North to seize northern oil fields.

Israel see's its chance to be a hero and take out Iran's nuclear facilities and launches military action against Iran and also Syrian forces in the North.

Iran launches a nuclear missle into Tel Aviv. Israel and the US retaliate and fire nukes into Iran.

Armageddon has begun.

yes please nuke iran and all your problems will go away

Centurion: you're right about the fallout of nuclear weapons - this is the sad truth about WMD's, they're so indiscriminate..

I watched a documentary about the large number of mutated children / cancer cases in vietnam as a result of agent orange, and having been there myself as well and seen a lot of this stuff first hand, it's heartbreaking to see the next generation paying for a war that ended over 30 years ago. :2 cents:

Let me just state it one more time for the non believers, there is no way in hell Israel and the US are going allow Iran to become a nuclear power.

There IS going to be a war between the US, Israel and Iran.

:sleep

And this is GOOD??

War is horrible. I'm not in favor of war. But sometimes you have no choice if you wish to preserve your way of life.

I'm very suprised by a couple of people who are being so cavalier about using nuclear weapons "A few won't hurt very many."

I know it's quite popular in chat rooms to use the phrase "nuke them! Turn them into glass"..but when I see some of the more, um..intelligent members on here backing a nuclear strike or two, I just shake my head and wonder what happened to some simple common sense when it comes to the use of VERY powerful weapons.

And if you were leading the charge against Iran, you would strike with nuclear weapons?

slight modification to your text....

Only if they fired first or used some form of WMD's that caused mass casulaties on our military forces.

I am not convinced that you come even CLOSE to proving to me or others that Iran is currently threatening "our way of life"

What you are saying is eerily familiar:
"Iraq poses a clear and imminent danger to the United States!"

What country do you live in df?

I have never personally "suggested"...the use of nukes...against any country...at any time. It is your reading comprehension problem that misleads you in virtually every thing you read. I do view...just as does our military...nukes to be actionable viable weapons...in certain scenarios. You need someone that can comprehend...by your side...anytime you read anything and just possibly you would not make such an ass out of yourself.

Now that is a BIG difference from how the thread started. The thread started with 10,000 suicide bombers being trained in Iran.

NOW, you are saying that if WsMD are used (against troops in Iraq, or against the U.S.? BIG difference there!), you would launch nuclear weapons?

And what the heck does "Only if they fired first" mean??

Believe it or not, there ARE military options SHORT of nuclear weapons.

yes there is 24 hour sorties

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LOOK IN THE MIRROR FOR THE ASS!
You are just a footnote in any half way decent discussion of world events. And that's just for spelling errors!
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Yes..that and others.

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I wonder if one day it will be like star wars and all the countries will just have robots to do all the fighting against each other.

He can speak for himself...I will speak for myself...and in answer to your question...no. It is not necessary to use nukes to take out Iran's nuclear plans...ie Israel did not strike with nukes when they took out Saddam's nuclear plans.

Half States, half Canada.

DOH!!!

Did I ask you? NO! So butt out! :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Does not address the fact...that I have never advocated the use of nukes...against any country...at anytime...now does it? You either cannot comprehend what you read or just prefer to make up shit/lie...take you pick kid.

No...kid...I do as I choose...and not as you choose...you uncomprehending...clown.

I love GFY.

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I know what you mean. On days when I'm down, or feel like I'm "out of it", I just log on here and read any of theking's posts.

Then I realize how blessed I am with the ability to think & reason!
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BTW...you have failed to answer the question and take your pick. You either have a comprehension problem...or you just make up shit/lie...as you have demonstated more than once in this thread alone...as regards KRL and myself...and if I looked closely there are probably others as well.

I can see that as a possible scenario, but at this moment nothing is sure. At least it shouldnt be. Before a thinker proceeds to a decision, he balances positives and negatives aspects. Currently, america faces a situation which is among with other factors an outcome of wrong past decisions. Decisions on world politics are taken extremely slow because parties must ensure all possible impacts and situations. What will be the next day of such war? How many new friends or enemies each part will have gain? Thousands questions.

for example

Today's headline: China hopes to solve Iranian nuclear issue peacefully

" However, the right to peaceful use of nuclear energy by all countries including Iran should be respected, Zhang said. "

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/20...nt_1534848.htm

Now I dont see China against West anytime soon(if ever). It's one of the factors though that must be considered.

It's almost like being in medicine and for years you treated the common cold or flu virii. Then one day a retro-virus comes along and treatment and side effects of treatment are VERY complicated and hard to figure out.

You must move with diligence in both cases.

Nothing like stating the obvious...kid.

BTW...you have failed to answer the question and take your pick. You either have a comprehension problem...or you just make up shit/lie...as you have demonstated more than once in this thread alone...as regards KRL and myself...and if I looked closely there are probably others as well.


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:ak47: :ak47: :ak47: :ak47: I have to many fucking friends over there fighting a war that can't really ever be won. Just bomb them back to the stone age and let them kill them self. Get are men and women out of there.

Remember the episode of the original Star Trek where war was fought by computers and people would be notified that they were casualties and had to report to "extermination chambers"?

The real Iraq war is just beginning..

gene roddenberry is turning over in his graves thinking about PDAs and how Star Trek basically predicts shit.

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I envy your optimism. The way I see it they will push Israel right into the sea before too long..same as the last crusades..

Your tower must be a tall one if you don't see the starving masses below.

Yeh, I watched Star Trek every episode growing up. Never liked the sequels though. Just the original.

Of all the countries in the world the United States should fear its China. That one would be a close call if we ever went head to head.

The saving grace is we are both incredibly dependent on each other for trade and commerce. I'm sure the politico's knew building such a monstrous relationship would be the way to prevent eventual conflict between these two powerful countries.

The other saving grace is China knows damn well its people will rebel if they see an opportunity and I don't think China wants to take that chance of letting its military loose.

Light of 100 suns.
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Very cool photos here.


http://www.bikiniatoll.com/
Very sad shit here.

Great videos :thumbsup The A-10 is a small plane but tough as nails and packs a punch :)

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/1076.wmv
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http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/534.mov

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Great photography on those!

Thanks!

Damn!! Cool technology.

Not to mention storage of data on rigid disquettes and cd's .... voice command to computer...

Moralizing and shield beating are natural enough reactions for individuals. But for the US, the Middle East is ultimately a foreign policy issue. As such, the only thing which matters is the purely pragmatic consideration of whether that policy works.

For context, start with an understanding of how much good will there was towards the British when they filled the vacuum left behind as the Ottoman Empire collapsed. One measure is that Kuwait and other countries were content to remain British protectorates into the 1960's. There is absolutely no history of anti-western sentiment in the region. How could there be when for hundreds of years the area was a crossroads for trade between Europe and the Far East?

The hatred of the west in general and the US in particular is entirely a consequence of US foreign policy over the past 70+ years. We started out driven by simple commercial greed. But by the time the Arabs woke up to what their oil was worth and wanting control of it, the US had a society and an economy based entirely on the premise of cheap oil. Instead of dealing honestly and openly with the Arabs, we began to interfere in their politics and embarked on a policy with the sole purpose of de-stabilizing most of the region. At the same time, we propped up unpopular regimes in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait.

Thus far we have had our cheap oil. But in the process we guaranteed the rise of Arab nationalism and Moslem fundamentalism. Like it or not, 911 was one consequence.

It's doubtful if we can turn back, because even before the second invasion of Iraq we had gone too far and events had gained a momentum of their own. So what now?

Except as an act of dog in the manger, we can't turn the Middle East into a "parking lot". Given the cost of occupying Iraq and what we are seeing there, military occupation of even the four main oil producing countries hardly seems realistic.

And we shall be talking about the whole region soon. Although to suit US internal politics, recent events in Saudi Arabia have been blamed in the mainstream media on Al Quaeda, the reality is that anti-royalist factions have been increasing their activities for years. They are going to succeed sooner rather than later and when the Al Sauds are overthrown, the royal family of Kuwait will fall soon after.

Then, apart from Israel, which in the oil context is irrelevant except as a divisive factor, there will not be a single even nominally US ally of any importance in the whole Middle East. Right now we are suffering because the oil refining companies are playing with supplies (and prices). Anyone who remembers the early 70's has some appreciation of the potential impact of having made enemies of all the major crude suppliers.

nice post... too bad most won't or can't read it.