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Bottom line is.... majority of affiliates will NOT feel safe promoting a program that has MPA2 or MPA3 as their script.

They need STRONG reassurances.

As a program owner, it's not worth taking the risk unless you can convince people that they are safe using it and safe promoting with it.

Yes, any script can have shaving added, but everyone KNOWS that MPA2 had it set by default. That weighs heavy on everyone's minds regardless of what other logic there may be in other scripts ability to shave.

Oystein, I wish you good luck on the release of MPA3. The guys at Mansion are top notch. :thumbsup

well said!

Once a thief, always a thief.

I agree 100%. Anyone who thinks MPA is a given for shaving, is a fool. Programs choose MPA for its functionality and top notch support. People who talk poorly about MPA are nothing but jealous.

Way to go Mansion!

and then you would lose business! the fact that they built this into their programs makes it okay with you then?

are you one of Mansion's made up screen names to help hype the program?

And still no answer to this simple question :Graucho

MPA2 sucks. It doesn't track shit properly. It let's people shave, etc.

You are missing the point. Building a tool to steal money is wrong. It doesn't make it ok just because other people can do the same. Show me any other program that has been proven to have built a shave feature, they will get flamed as well.

Would the MPA owners provide the merchant/sponsor (if requested) with a signed document that would certify their purchased/leased script platform DOESNT include any option/plugin that can give them the ability to manipulate the credited sales and the counted clicks sent?

now that's an interesting question :)

I'd say "OUT OF THEIR WAY" would be more along the lines of "We have removed all shaving features from MPA3" and to go a long way out of their way they could even provide some very credible third party auditing to ensure that their code has NO shaving features.

If they do keep shaving features then they should at a bare minimum provide a status page where the affiliates can at all times see what shave level they are on (helps to expose like when perfectioncash was caught at ccbill)

Click Truth may help bring some credibility though personally I have a sneaking suspicions Click Truth will shave for the right price/their buddies.

Hahaha... yeah, that would go over well! :1orglaugh

get the feeling they may lose some customers? :1orglaugh

Looks better than every Oy, the additional features really add to the value of this backend - Congrats on the release :thumbsup

FROM CLICKTRUTH FAQ ~
What exactly does ClickTruth? Audit?
Sign ups and traffic. We send traffic through our redirector. It then goes to the sponsor as normal. We get a copy of the Credit card processor?s post-back data, which we then report to you.

We then compare the info from the post-back data to the results the sponsor reports.

ClickTruth? routinely audits each program through a 14 point proprietary system. Participating webmasters? traffic may be included in these audits but it will be transparent to any user of the ClickTruth system. You would, however, be notified if the audit failed.

This means that they audit their own sales, and there is currently only 2 programs, and in the last 30 days my stats show clicktruth made zero sales with these programs.

Agreed...100%
Hey I was in the nightclub biz in Los Angeles for 15 years, had a two counts on all my doors, all cash, until I found out that both counts were stealing from me...there will always be those types of people in the world, but as you say I agree with the boards is the only way to bring the truth and keep people honest. That is why we at Smashbucks have gone out of our way to be upfront and honest with everyone we do biz with on all levels, we are in this thing for the long haul. Also like you we work hard to make our biz grow and go, and why would we want to shoot ourselves in the foot.

We look and continue to look at the positive things that this could bring to us and to hard working affiliates like yourself.


"option to steal from us."
Remember that is a human decision that someone makes...and that just sucks in any part of life.

That is why when Smashbucks brings the new cascading system to our system it will be for the GOOD for all to make as much money as we all can honest and upfront!

EXACTLY!!!!! Any affiliate sponsor program can be designed to shave....its the company and people you choose to work with.

The MPA2 program is the best program out there! And the Mansion crew are the most helpfull!

Again, ANY software can be programmed to shave...Even 3rd party processors can shave if they wanted to....

I support this. I like the leverage of MPA, but if affiliates don`t like it, its pretty much useless. Therefore, i`d like some sort of reassurance liike that^ to hand to every affiliate. :thumbsup

I like Smashbucks
I like NS Cash

When I see a post by Oystein, I think 'thief'.

You guys use who you want. I'll send hits where I want. I dont give a fuck how 'cool' someone is, once they decide to fuck me out of my money.

Just got back from watching the Lakers being crushed by Pistons - Lakers in 7 baby!!!

Mikehawk, Raffi, Simple and all you others that I hung out with in San Diego - had a great time! Thanks for the props and support. Good to see hard working people be as successful as you are! Keep it up!

So, good to see that the interest for our MPA3 release is there and that the feedback is, as usual, intense and heated up. That?s good. Our presence is definitely felt out there ? we are the leading provider of Affiliate Program Software, make no mistake about that.

Interesting to see how affiliates on boards play this issue so hard that it actually opens up amazing possibilities for any programs NOT using a system if it is not MPA based. How easy you all are making it for anyone else to go under the radar undetected. Be careful, don't open yourself up ? there are a lot of programs USING this as a means to play themselves. Make no mistake about that either.

So, I want to make a statement to back up the press release posted earlier tonight:

MPA3 delivered from Mansion Productions does not, nor will it ever have, any module that allows for any modification of any kind of stats. We guarantee this one hundred percent.

:1orglaugh

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

its sad
i will never send 1 hit again to a sponsor using MPA

Bullshit.

Want screen caps?

Actually, you could not, there are ways for a program script to make it very very very difficult to shave.

ive seen the admin area for a program that was using mpa2 in person, they are an honest program and wouldnt shave, but if they wanted to the option was there with a click of the mouse.

good luck with it

I'm just wondering, but what are you going to do when upgrading MPA2 programs that shave right now to MPA3? If MPA3 does does not support it AT ALL does that mean the stats will suddenly change to the real numbers for the previous month? Or will you hardcode the shaved stats (meaning even the program owner will nolonger see the real numbers)? Or might you just not upgrade those to MPA3?

If the upgrade to mpa3 is free from mpa2.. and mpa3 doesn't support shave but mpa2 does... I'd drop a sponsor NOT upgrading, without even blinking an eye. :)

Thats one of the many points I tried to make with my post ;)

And yes, the upgrade is free.

Axeman...why would that be a big mistake?
Lets see, adding 20 to 30% to the bottom line of sales that we normaly would never see? Making more money for all of our webmasters? Not being subject to if our only processor for what ever reason goes belly up we are out of biz?



Programs dont cheat...people do...

My apologies to Oyestein, I misread your post.

Exactly, and people are no more than human. Keep tempting them and they'll eventually give in to the temptation. It's only a matter of time until they do.

Steve..thanks for that...makes us feel good...we work very hard to put a good product on the market, we go to the shows to talk to webmasters about what they are thinking and there needs. The thing that must be considered is this, just because a program has a function for shaving, or what ever ..why would we as a company ever risk that? Why be so stupid and short sided to make a few extra bucks and ruin our good name and hurt others.

It will not be the program or any program that steals it will be the people that run it...saying that we look at this new entry into to the market as a great advantage to help not hurt everyone. We plan on seeing a great deal more money float into the % for everyone.

We will be at the Internext show in Florida, look forward to meeting you if you are going!

DamageX ...come on...everyone is not that way. I spent the entire 1980's and the 1990's getting ripped at my nightclubs and coffee houses, dont like the way it feels.

There is sooooo much money to go around, I cant speak for everyone out there, but I can speak for us, while I am alive and in control of our systems with Joey that is something that would never ever happen. What would be the point? To make what, a few extra bucks, for what? So much money is available for the "long haul" this biz is not going anywhere...our long range plan is to be around and make money, go to shows meet everyone and look at people right in the eye and know that what we doing is 100%. :thumbsup

Umm well we are not going to get anything from this:

a) MPA3 owners tell us thet the shave feature is there, then none of us will trust ever any MPA3 sponsor program. So good bye to MP3.

b) MPA3 owners tell us that the shave feature has been removed, well will us believe them? No, look at A) and you will know why.

And about being shaved, well i find almost as easy to shave webmasters that use sponsor hosted gals, they just need to add a small piece of code to the gallery scripts to change our ref code once every 1000 hits to the gals. If a sponsor wants to shave they don't need to buy MPA3, there are lots of other options. We can only trust the program owners ad try to catch the cheaters as we are doing right now.

I also agree that since now all MPA3 programs that don't pay the $1000 fee to clickthrought will be called cheaters even if they aren't, i'm sure that this are good news for clickthrought.

Ingenious idea, increases bottom line by .1%

Well i would be happy enought having for free a .1% from any BIG sponsor, wouldn't you? the sponsors thay by MPA3 are not the ones that generate a few sales per day so even a 0.1% means a good amount. Also if you're as worried about the small amount, just edit the code and put a 100 or even 10 where i said 1000, it all depends on the sponsor program owner, the same with MPA3 or any software, the sponsors are who shave us, the scripts don't need to shave as they don't drive expensive cars ;)

Selling an affiliate program with a feature that allows you to "steal" from your affiliates is a great idea.. it allows all the small players to actually get somewhere in the game and compete with the big boys.. they can SAY that they pay 50$PS when before they could barely afford to SAY they pay $25, in reality, it's still $25 or less, but you don't know.. because they use MPA(x) or similar super shave friendly affiliate program!

Oystein,

Good luck with MPA3. WTS/ACHdebit is pleased to be able to offer our services to your clients!


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You people seem to forget that Clicktruth and any service like it are a load of bullshit.

Ever heard of bribes?

The most secure option is to get paid direct from the processor.

That is highly doubtful but if that is the case its nice to know you endorse shaving modules.

This is a crock of shit. 99% of the scripts people buy are compiled which means that people cannot edit them.

You know what that means? That if the script isnt built in with shaving it never will have shaving... thanks for coming out though

Spot on. Make it easier to shave and more shaving will occur. MPA :321GFY

Don't kid yourself, the only reason topics about your software are heated is because it's a known fact your software allows users to steal from their affiliates. If you did not have this option, you wouldn't be taking this bashing.

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Interesting to see how affiliates on boards play this issue so hard that it actually opens up amazing possibilities for any programs NOT using a system if it is not MPA based. How easy you all are making it for anyone else to go under the radar undetected. Be careful, don't open yourself up ? there are a lot of programs USING this as a means to play themselves. Make no mistake about that either.

So two wrongs make a right? So what you are saying is because it's known fact your software has this feature, we should all send our traffic to sites using your software. For the simple reason that we know the shave feature is there? I'm not getting that one can you please explain again how the shave feature is good for me?

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So, I want to make a statement to back up the press release posted earlier tonight: MPA3 delivered from Mansion Productions does not, nor will it ever have, any module that allows for any modification of any kind of stats. We guarantee this one hundred percent.

All I can say is prove it, if you can prove this new version dose not have the built in shave feature like the MP2 has, then be my guest. If it can be confirmed that the software no longer has this feature and it is not an "extra" add on item if the user asks for it. Then by all means do it, however until you prove it I don't believe anything you post.

You stated your software can help programs earn more money. Well how are they going to earn more money if affiliates decide not to send traffic to programs using this software? I don't believe every program that uses your software cheats, however they have the option. Until this option is taken away and confirmed as being gone, I personally won't send traffic to programs using MP software any longer.

I hate getting into these arguements on the boards but it's the only way us affiliates can protect ourselves.I will add this quote from one of your customers in case you missed it. Thumbs up for Medium Pimpin.

Just to clarify, Medium Pimpin no longer runs on the MPA2.