No, the one you have to believe is a brainwashing USA propaganda.

BTW, what exactly Reagan did to destroy USSR and to "wreck their economy". Just wonder... :winkwink:

P.S. There are lots of genius professors who can jabber but always keep silence when being asked for some facts. :Graucho

The govt. was running one of the largest drug operations around during those days.

But no one wants to hear about that do they.

This is from the MOUTHS OF SOVIET OFFICIALS AND GENERALS, not cnn or foxnews! Even Gorbachev echoes this. I guess they are brainwashed too? They have nothing to gain by admitting this.

You're a fool.

Which was played out by one of the Bush brothers.

Yes but carter also worked hard to get those people free which he did.

No, you just one of those brainwashed millions. BTW what is your education level. Some kind of high school + US TV I gues? :1orglaugh

P.S. The Soviet people was brainwashed very hard. I'd say as hard as the US people are getting brainwashed now. That's also a fact. :Graucho

nothing like arguing with someone fanatical like Michael Moore or Rush Limbaugh.........your ideology blinds you to facts.

:eyecrazy

Did you show me at least one fact? Professor? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

One more time (especially for the professors :)):

What exactly Reagan did to destroy USSR and to "wreck their economy". Just wonder...

P.S. There are lots of genius professors who can jabber but always keep silence when being asked for some facts.

that spending actually helped create the bull market after he was out of office. what reagan did helped, as well as the deregulations he brought in while in office.

thats about the only good things he did, most of it was bad as you pointed out.

his brand of economics doesn't usually work, but in the environment in which he took office it was the exact medicine needed.

put it this way, he spent more to increase GDP in the future. without that spending, growth wouldnt have picked up like it did. its like borrowing money to fund expansions. worked then, it would be a disaster today which bush is finding out.

And what's your education level man? I can't speak on a same level with a schoolboy you know :winkwink:

That is such fucking bullshit. Communism would have fell at the time it did in the Soviet Union with or without Reagan. The Soviet Union was already experiencing financial failure and social upheaval.

Going into the 80's the Soviet people were experiencing an impoverished standard of living and it was getting worse. This caused strikes and public outcry against the administration. The people were angry at the fact that the Communist Party had not lived up to what it had promised which was in return for their obedience they would receive employment, free health care, and a level of comfort. When Gorbachev
was placed as the General Secretary he began a policy called Glasnost which emphasized openness with regard to discussion of social problems and shortcomings. It was Gorbs foresight and social pressure that killed communism. This was coming on long before Reagan. Reagan was doing nothing more than trying to push us into WWWIII, thank God for Gorb or it very well could have happened.

no hindsight 20/20

your enemies in the past may be allies in the future. vics versa. the more groups/countries that have the capabilities of war the more potential disaster.

more like short sightedness

gw got america back on their feet :thumbsup

LOL........are you ever a moron..............he increased military spending in America to a very high level.........increased nuclear capability output etc............the Soviets tried to match this, increasing ss20s, etc etc etc...........then realized there was no way they could keep up, so they tried to slow things down via perestroika, arms agreements etc...........it didn't work.......reagan kept going and kept the pressure up for all his time in office as he didn't get the agreement he wanted with the soviets..........the soviet resources reached the breaking pt, via afghanistan and elsewhere as america challenged them either directly or via back channelling..........................finally, they couldn't even afford to maintain their grip on the soviet satellite nations in eastern europe and finally germany.............they went first and collapsed, and then the soviet union did

high ranking ex soviet generals and officials all admit this, but looney left wingers like you can't

Simple the arms race and sdi. He just made them go broke trying to keep up.

:Graucho

The plain facts are that every presidesnt has a scandel.


Thomas Jefferson =was accused in one of the first sex-scandals in Washington. Sally Hemings, Jefferson's slave, gave birth to a son, Easton Hemings, who was listed as "white" according to the 1830 Census.


Ulysses S. Grant = the Whiskey Ring
Nixon = watergate
Carter = Hostage crises
Reagan = Iran-Contra affair
Clinton = Whitewater, Paula Jones, and Monica Lewinsky

btw, i hated reagan's ill-guided war on porn just like i hate bush's, but i can give someone credit even if i disagree on some impt views.........

the looney left cannot

The right wing version

These are the facts. My respect!

Hello.....................Gorby was a COMMUNIST who was trying to hang onto his political power as a COMMUNIST LEADER even until the very end, when he was ousted. Why do you think glasnost came about? It was to try and appease America as the SU was spending way too much % of its GDP on its military just to try and keep up with the US. All it took was someone of foresight who wanted to outright win the Cold War, and up the ante, to cripple them and bring them down. That man was Reagan.

Once again, high ranking ex soviet military and gov't officials admit this; they have nothing to gain by doing so, and many do so gnashing their teeth at the hatred of Reagan's name.

But the looney left moans on and on and on..........

Ha-ha! SDI just sucked billions $$$ form the US budget. The result was NOTHING. According to your words Reagan was a Soviet spy. I'd say he was their best spy ever! :1orglaugh

No facts... Just a jabber... Go back to the school son and... don't watch TV too much otherwise it will burn your brain out :1orglaugh

jesus, you left and ring wing fucks are dumb

it was a combination of both internal and extrenal factors that caused the soviet union to go.

it was also canada that helped by beating the soviet union so many times in hockey starting with the summit series. that was the year everything started to change.

they never do....they never do...'sigh'

Soviet Union was not beated. It was self-destroyed due to many reasons. I can't list them all here because this will take many pages (no one will read this). Just make yourself a favour: read some good historical and political analyses. I mean the books man, not just those illustrated comics you usually read. Also, some kind of high education would be good for you as well (I already have one so please don't suggest it to me) :Graucho

ok, there were internal forces at play which meant the soviet union was vulnerable. the screws holding it together were loose and all it needed was someone to come along with a bat and knock it apart for good. reagan was holding that bat.

just because they were vulnerable doesn't mean they couldn't have gotten their act together if they didn't have to worry about other things brought on by americans.

without the internal forces like you mentioned, reagan wouldn't have had the chance to claim breaking up the soviet union because it wouldn't have happened.

Once again the Rush version.

Of course Gorby was a communist, a communist who opened the gates for democracy. He was overthrown by people that resisted that change. Fucking wake up.

and the soviet union was beaten, we kicked their ass countless times. even when they tried to sabatoge our team in russia, we still prevailed.

don't fuck with a canadian

1) I don't see any good Reagan's role in this process. Otherwise, he spent very BIG money to implement a fake SDI program.
2) Soviet Union was almost dead in 80's with internal pressure or without it.

well that is where its up to debate about whether or not the soviet union would have collapsed without american influence.

fact is, reagan was a part of the picture so to eliminate any thought that he wasn't a part of the the reason why it collapsed is just wrong. how much of a factor was he? maybe if you're an actuary you could try to calculate it and give us an answer.

otherwise, you'll just talk till you're blue in the face

I had no sex with a Canadian... So should I? :Graucho

Once again: Soviet Union was never beaten by the USA. I'd say the cold war just fortified the Soviet regime inside the USSR (it was working for communist and helped them to justify the poverty, lack of democray etc). The Soviet regime wes self-destroyed.

He was just a background (say a landscape) on the picture that was painted by outsider's hand.

That is true. My personal thoughts are the Reagan admin knew the Soviet Union was about to collapse but used them as an excuse to throw billions into defense contracts. Something conservatives love to do.

Some people may also say that Bush defends the States against the terrorism and makes your life safer. But this is wrong! He wasn't prevented 9/11 but he was able to do that! However his popularity went up after 9/11. Do you know why???

Another thing about this Reagan funeral crap. I find it very ironic they show this shit all week and yet the media is forbidden to show the caskets of dead soldiers. Not to mention Bush has not attended one of these soldiers funerals.

So how do you right nuts explain this?

IF this be so... I find it amusing that Gorbachev was in Washington paying homage to the man that made him see the light and then embraced him as a friend to help unfuck what years of communism has done to the Soviet Union.

The leaders of the world at that time KNEW the score... you do not.

Thank god we have a smart generation coming out of high school RAT now.
I just saw a survey the other day that said these kids are very conservative.
Even ones coming from both parents being liberal.
I just might live 2 see, ever time one of you liberal 's start spewing your shit one of' em
will pop you in the mouth.

Reagan Rules, you fuck wad liberals just fucking can't stand it.

come on, you just don't want 2 admit Reagan beat your ass's. I'm sure everyone will understand, people hate admitting defeat.

Reagan conned Russian right of there drawer's . No way Russia could have kept up with USA in military spending no fucking way.

Reagan OWNED Russia's ass. Admit it.