50 ass krofts :glugglug

Ask Nick Berg.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Holy shit you had to step this low :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, the drudge report, it's all the same lies. I don't care where you get your disinformation, but as long as you keep spitting it out I'm going to keep pointing out how wrong it is. Take dig420's advice, you don't seem like a bad or stupid person, just a great deal misinformed.

Poor Alan Colmes... nobody ever mentions him even though he takes up half the show.

Fox's idea of a good liberal journalist. :1orglaugh


Paying attention to any pundit, right or left, does nothing but fill your mind with half truths and bullshit headline news.

For once, I agree with you .....

OOOppsss , which side are you talking about??? :1orglaugh

You really are an idiot :321GFY

everyone in the industry should put it on there sites :winkwink:

because we are civilized

Let me educate you. When American soldiers were captured by Iraq during the first Gulf war they were treated more humanely than the Iraqi prisoners are now. Iraq did not violate the Geneva Convention, so it appears Bush is a war criminal and Saddam was not.

You read too much into my comments Rich. I don't know why you do it, but you tend to do it quite a bit from what I've seen. Maybe you're purposefully trying to be annoying, I don't know. What I do know is that my comment simply meant that since the election hasn't happened, Kerry taking office is still up in the air. Nothing more, nothing less.

I am well aware that asskroft was appointed by Bush. Nothing in my post suggested otherwise. And Rich, as far as me giving Bush another chance goes... you do realize that I'm from Winnipeg (same as you) and can't vote in the US election, right?

I know I know, you were saying all that for the benefit of everyone else who might be reading this thread, right? Right.

I love watching the stupid get gulled into believing the likes of a joe biden has "honor".:1orglaugh

The US signed the geneva convention. did the guerillas in iraq sign it? Do you know what it says about combatants dressed as civilians? do you know anything? No you don't. that's why joe biden can spout nonsense and the rabble appaud him.

You morons deserve a country led by the bidens of the world. Sadly, you're in the minority so you'll never have to have your nose rubbed in you stupidity by having his ilk rule the country.

If you consider beating and raping (which took place during the 1st Gulf War) to be more humane and not a violation of the Geneva Convention...then I guess you are right...but your post is in fact BS.

let me guess, your 7?:1orglaugh

son, go back and read what our captured soldiers have to say about their capture.

How in hell would you even know this? Were you present in the room for all prisoner handling in Iraq during that war?

No?


Then kindly shut the fuck up.



"Let me educate you"...... you're a retard obviously, who you going to educate?

ahahahahaha. yes chump, he was killed because of the prison scandal.

brilliant.:1orglaugh

The uninformed...the misinformed...and those that just spread BS...are in the majority on this board.

whats funnier than people trying to justify torture?

people trying to justify the government approval of it.

people trying to explain how naked pyramids are torture?:1orglaugh

even funnier:

people actually believing there was no torture :1orglaugh

funnier still: people who weren't there explaining what "actually" happened.:1orglaugh

You may enjoy having fluorescent lightbulbs shoved up your ass, but I can assure you most people consider it torture.

If not him specifically, many US soldiers will be. If you go in to Abu Garab a sheep farmer, get tortured for 2 months and released, you come out an American killer.

Unfortunately the only people who can't understand this along with 12clicks seems to be Asskroft, Rummy, Bush and company. Send your fucking kids then.

And I'm sure joe biden has you convinced that ashhahahahaha endorsed it.:1orglaugh

Most people have realized that for some time, and it was hilarious that Biden made Asskroft look like such a little jackass yesterday. You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe it was hundreds of soldiers who coincidentally tortured these people in the same way at different locations.

Let me take a wild guess, you haven't read the Taguba report. Your entire knowledge of this torture and everything else about this war comes from the CNN ticker.

http://www.agonist.org/annex/taguba.htm

Read it, then come back and try to talk to people who know what they're talking about. Every so often it wouldn't hurt for you to actually understand an issue you're trying to discuss.

Geez 12clicks, still think torture didn't happen? I'll bet you will tomorrow, somehow. The Fox Republican brain really needs to be studied at a university level, normal people can't learn something one day and then unlearn it the next.

How anybody can follow those 'sound good' losers like hannity, limbaugh, oreilley...etc,... is beyond me. It's all the same, conservatives/republicans... all of it is a hoax filled with parasites trying to drive forward their bogus unearned livelihoods by creating problems that do not exist while extracting values from true producers of goods. ...Goods that increase everyones standard of living and happiness. Yes, That includes porn.
Even though he seems to buy into the political hoax, dig420 has a good grip.
Too bad so many here get caught in 'A' points instead of 'The' point.

does the geneva convention apply to terrorists?

Since when are Iraqi's terrorists?, you went there to bring them freedom from dictatorship remember?

i didnt say they were
i was asking a question

Glad you're here Rich, I get tired of stepping on these guys every once in a while. A tip for you though, so you won't get too disillusioned:

Their political views have nothing to do with reality. There is nothing - and I mean NOTHING - that you can say that will force them to actually think about their position or follow a thought to a logical conclusion if they don't think they like where it leads. They've already learned everything they'll ever need to know and they get their information from newsmax.com and AM radio.

They're idiots. That's why they're conservative in the first place. 12clicks has to be super republican butch because of that big Village People mustache, he's afraid someone will think he's a leather fag :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

it's not as bad as you think. There are many good people in Washington who are actually committed to the public welfare. They just get drowned out by the anti gay marriage, anti-abortion, pro-bible and anti-porn crowd.

You just can't beat the right-wingers for being persistent, loud and obnoxious.

Common senese is a fine basis for moral value. Religion, in all the millions of murders over the last few thousand years, isn't.

As a businessman, I'd settle for Kerry laying off the harrassment against adult webmasters perpetuated by the present admininstration.

:2 cents:

Secular humanism and a bit of empathy for your fellow human beings is the very best 'moral base' you can have. Certain things, it seems to me, you either know instinctively or you just don't have the ability to learn it. You don't torture animals. You don't put crazy people on the street, like Reagan did. You don't sentence a guy who stole a shirt from Macy's to 30 years in San Quentin, even if it IS his third strike. You don't tell a woman she has to carry a kid whether she likes it or not. You don't mix your religion and your government. You don't make someone ride on the back of the bus.

These are things that really shouldn't have to be taught.

not that i agree with either of you, but the word you're looking for is 'reactionary'.

oh yeah... you don't TORTURE people. Even if they're evil ragheads.

Because we are better than that.

id agree, but ive noticed he double talks alot. where he stands now might not be where he stands if elected.

ah yes, the power of propaganda. Karl Rove says he's waffler, now half the population thinks it's true. He doesn't change his positions any more than any other politician trying to walk a tightrope in front of reporters, and I think he demonstrated his decisiveness pretty conclusively in Vietnam.


You don't hear John McCain trying to smear his war record, just the chickenhawks in the White House. Don't believe a fucking thing they tell you.

he panders to the audience he's speaking to at that moment.
he cant be on everyones side, but he sure does try.

That was a nice clip. I needed that, thanks:thumbsup

The Geneva Convetion doesn't endorse or say anything about going into countries without good cause either. So when you do that, your bound to have "guerillas" try to kill you.

If America decided to invade Canada tommorrow because of it's rich natural resources to take it and use it for their own profit, Canadians would be justified in defending their country and resources, even if it meant killing US troops, and yes they would likely be wearing civilian clothing. Like Iraq, Canada has no military strength to speak of so it would be citizens or sympathizers defending their country any way they could.

being an idiot, you wouldn't know that the Washington Times is owned by Sun Myung Moon and is a right wing rag. Yes, this is classic propaganda.

Now you know.

http://web.archive.org/web/200304011...om/i2/moon.jpg

Birds of a feather.

i know who owns it
i also know cnn and the other liberal news media would never raise the issue. maybe kerry should sue them for the horrible lies they are spreading about him. i find it amusing how anything negative published about the left is "propaganda" where cnn and others bashing bush are noting but fact.

If you'd believe the Moonies over CNN there's really nothing I can say to you.

Liberal media, my ass. They're owned by corporations and they toe the line to their masters, for the most part.

Do you see anyone talking about Iran-Contra right now? No. They gave an hour of coverage to a non-moving plane on a runway that only held Reagan's body. He was non-moving as well. That sound like liberal bias to you? Is there any liberal network like Fox?

Conservatives have gotten to their present position because they are masters of the media and they know how to work the system.

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...+media+studies

There you go. Learn something. Stay away from the Moonies.

And the Scientologists as well. You're not safe.

The Most Biased Name in News, Seth Ackerman, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, August 2001

?Years ago, Republican party chair Rich Bond explained that conservatives' frequent denunciations of ?liberal bias? in the media were part of ?a strategy? (Washington Post, 8/20/92). Comparing journalists to referees in a sports match, Bond explained: ?If you watch any great coach, what they try to do is ?work the refs.? Maybe the ref will cut you a little slack next time.??
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The Liberal Media, RIP, Eric Alterman, The Nation, March 13, 2000

?Bill Kristol, perhaps the most honest and intelligent conservative in Washington (excluding, of course, that funny, friendly, charming McCain fellow). ?The press isn't quite as biased and liberal. They're actually conservative sometimes,? Kristol said recently on CNN. If Chris missed that one, he might have come across a similar admission by Kristol offered up in the spring of 1995. ?I admit it,? Kristol told The New Yorker. ?The whole idea of the 'liberal media' was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures.??
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Spinning Populism In American News Media, Norman Solomon, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting, undated

??The truth is, I've gotten fairer, more comprehensive coverage of my ideas than I ever imagined I would receive,? Buchanan acknowledged in March 1996. He added: ?I've gotten balanced coverage and broad coverage -- all we could have asked.??
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Interesting stuff huh? Amazing what you find out when you actually look to see if there's really any evidence of a liberal media.