unless you're Al Capone, you're not going to go to jail;
literally millions of americans are too lazy to file taxes.

I am sending them a fucking cashier's check for 80k on monday.
thats right 80,000
Fucking shitass fuckheads

Several have - the IRS has this thing about "dealing" with people :winkwink:

Some of you guys are funny. You need to go to a accountant and its not like you just say I can pay 25 dollars and they go ok. You have fill out paperwork to showing what you have and what your expenses are. Dont fuck around with them , they have been playing this game for a long time. Look at your financials and see what you really can pay and get it paid as quickly as possible.
You dont need a tax lawyer if the letter says lets make payments , if you ignore this letter you could have problems. If they are going to arrest you they dont send a letter. They come with a big truck and take all your shit. lol

Holy crap, I hope that's not quarterly prepaid.

I hope everything turns out ok.

does the irs know how much money we make through paypal?

80k is no joke!

fucking 80k?

thats a boatload - i definitely feel for you
my problems pale in comparison

The way to avoid dealing with irs is............. a genius idea coming.................................. pay your taxes

50 fucked up tax cheats

No and not the IRC either thankfully!

The IRS is like the mafia, they can do whatever the hell they want too do :(

Just ask Willie Nelson

Ok, I just got through dealing with a similar situation. Owed the IRS some back taxes. They offered a payment plan. I called them up. They said "Mr. Hogrefe how much can you afford to pay". I told them 25.00 a month. They said ok, that sounds fine. We will send you a monthly bill for 25.00 until the debt is payed off. I said thanks. End of Story. I'm not Bullshitting. I paid more than 25.00 a month and sometimes only 25.00. They took all of my tax returns for the last 7 years including that 300.00 tax break we got a few years ago, Federal and State. This past November I made my final payment on the debt which was from 1995. They never threatened me. I was at first scared as shit when I got the letter. The debt was almost 6 grand and I thought all of the same shit you are. This year I got my first Tax return since 1994.

Just call the number on the letter. It won't be so bad. You will be talking to some $8.00 an hour customer service rep that does this all day long.

thanks a bunch!

i just got off the phone with them and they said once i've filed current then i can call them back and work out what i owe.

be a po' white boy like me ... well this year is gonna suck ass cuz im making nice change thsi year , but the past two years the IRS has owed me money and I havnt filed :) Letting it build up interest so next year when I file they dont fucke me over to well lol

whats the worst thing that could happen? so you go to county for 6 months!

Here is the oddest things..

No law requires you to file federal income tax returns;

No law requires you to pay federal income taxes;

No law requiires you to have federal income taxes withheld from your wages, interest or dividends;

No law requires you to keep books and records for income tax purposes;

No law authorizes criminal prosecutions of alleged income tax "crimes";

No law authorizes the IRS to audit your books and records;

No law authorizes the IRS to seize any property, seizures are illegall;

Source: The Federal Mafia by Irwin Schiff

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If you really sit down and study this book and others, on top of that learn EVERY difference between "United States" and "United States of America" (Things like the supreme court has 2 seperate hearings for the constitution. One for the US one for USoA).

Then learn how to read/write/speak in the Truth Language which is a mathematical way to communicate. This makes it so your words can't be missunderstood in court, if the court even responds to you in this language, if not case dismissed.

Now learn about being a natural person.

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It's life work to study all of this of course and at the end of the day the gov really works like the mafia and at times does whatever they want.

Safest bet is to always pay your taxes but learn how to file them so you can't get into trouble by making mistakes. Like paying tax as a voluntary donatation.

I am doing the same thing right now. I owe them back taxes and they mailed me a letter with payment arrangements and I have to pay $65 month. The first month I mailed them $1,500 , the next month as much as I could. I always mail in as much as I can, I don't want to spend 10 yrs paying off a debt that's a few k mailing in $65 every month... that will take forever. Just send in as much as you can and get it over with. I hate owing money, the less debt I owe the more stress-free I feel.

Delt with the IRS?

They are trying to kill me.

They take 50 % of what I earn.

I've always looked at it at how many president, vice president and senator's salaries I pay each year.

The lesson learned here boys and girls is to have all you tax shit lined up and keep up with everything. If not then you IRS is gonna have a pic of you in their web site saying "OWNED"

yes i'm learning this quickly

taxes rock!

from http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/...122721,00.html

Will I Go to Jail?

A long-standing practice of the IRS has been not to recommend criminal prosecution of individuals for failure to file tax returns, provided they voluntarily file, or make arrangements to file, before being notified they are under criminal investigation. The taxpayer must make an honest effort to file a correct return and have income from legal sources. A letter from the IRS concerning taxes is not a notice that a taxpayer is under criminal investigation.
The IRS helps to get people back into the system as part of its long-term plan to improve voluntary tax compliance. The IRS wants to get people back into the system, not prosecute ordinary people who made a mistake. However, flagrant cases involving criminal violations of tax laws will continue to be investigated.

Seriously man, it's not a problem, and these guys saying "you're fucked" don't know a thing about it.

They'll let you make a payment plan if you can prove you can't afford to borrow the money to pay it back.

It's a lot smarter to borrow the money commercially, or do so as soon as you can after you set up a payment schedule, cuz the irs interest is pretty high.

Yeh everyone knows that except the IRS. Try preaching that legal defense and this is where you end up.

WASHINGTON D.C. - Eileen J. O?Connor, Assistant Attorney General for the Tax Division, United States Department of Justice; Daniel G. Bogden, U.S. Attorney for the District of Nevada; and Nancy Jardini, Chief, Internal Revenue Service Criminal Investigation Division announced today that in Las Vegas, Nevada, a federal grand jury returned a thirty-three (33) count indictment charging Irwin Schiff, Cynthia Neun, and Lawrence Cohen with conspiracy (18 U.S.C. §371), and aiding and assisting in the preparation and filing of fraudulent federal income tax returns (26 U.S.C. §7206(2)). Messrs. Schiff and Cohen are also charged with income tax evasion (26 U.S.C. §7201). Ms. Neun is also charged with willfully failing to file federal income tax returns (26 U.S.C. §7203), Social Security disability fraud (42 U.S.C. §408) and theft of government property (18 U.S.C. §641).

If convicted, Mr. Schiff faces maximum potential sentences totaling forty-three years in jail and $3.25 million in fines; Ms. Neun, fifty-one years in jail and $3.4 million in fines; and Mr. Cohen, twenty-seven years in jail and $1.5 million in fines.

?There is no magic way out of paying taxes,? said Assistant Attorney General Eileen J. O?Connor. ?If you fall for a scheme to cheat the IRS, you may lose your money to a con artist. You may wind up in federal prison. In the end, you will still owe taxes, and you may also owe interest and penalties.?

?The indictment today reminds us that fulfilling individual tax obligations is a legal requirement and those who willfully evade that responsibility will be prosecuted,? stated Nancy Jardini, Chief, IRS Criminal Investigation. ?We should not forget that the ultimate victims in tax fraud cases are the people of the United States. Those taxpayers who diligently file tax returns each year.?

Count one of the indictment alleges that the defendants conspired to file and cause other persons to file fraudulent tax returns, including more than 4,950 tax returns that fraudulently reported no income, a scheme the defendants referred to as a ?zero return.? Counts two through sixteen of the indictment charge the three defendants with allegedly aiding and assisting in the preparation and filing of fraudulent ?zero returns.? The indictment alleges that the fraudulent ?zero returns? reported zeroes on every line of a federal income tax return related to income and expenses, and often claimed a full refund of all federal taxes withheld or paid over to the IRS. It also alleges the defendants promoted the ?zero return? scheme through written materials and audiotapes sold through a business known as Freedom Books; and during seminars, radio shows such as ?Freedom Now? (co-hosted by Mr. Schiff and Ms. Neun), and personal consultations with clients.

The indictment further alleges that after filing ?zero returns,? many of the defendants? clients faced IRS audits and collection of taxes due. Mr. Schiff, who has owned Freedom Books since at least 1995, together with his co-defendants, allegedly encouraged clients to pay for additional products that were supposed to help the clients handle their problems with the IRS. The indictment alleges that Mr. Schiff and Ms. Neun charged clients for writing responses to IRS correspondence, drafting court pleadings, and representing them at administrative hearings before the IRS or in judicial proceedings. Between 1997 and 2002, Freedom Books allegedly generated gross business receipts of approximately $3,726,000. Despite owning the lucrative business, the indictment alleges Mr. Schiff did not report any income on any federal income tax return filed with the Internal Revenue Service for calendar years 1987 through 2002.

The indictment also charges Mr. Schiff with allegedly evading the payment of $1,369,000 in federal taxes, interest, and penalties due for the years 1979 through 1985. It alleges that he hid income and assets in an offshore bank account, using wire transfers and debit cards to bring the money back as needed; opened bank accounts using fictitious tax identification numbers; tried to hide the true ownership of his car by placing it in the name of a Pennsylvania-based business; and conducted financial transactions through anonymous warehouse banking services offered by the Christian Patriot Association.

On June 7, 2002, after trial in the United States District Court in Oregon, leaders of the Christian Patriot Association, including Richard and Dorothy Flowers, were convicted of tax crimes in connection with a ?warehouse bank? scheme designed to eliminate records customarily made in financial transactions.

The charges contained in the indictment are only allegations. In the American justice system, a person is presumed innocent unless and until he or she is proven guilty in a court of law.

nothing is going to happen to you. you didn't intentionally try to defraud the system so don't worry about it. i deal with the IRS everyday since their offices are right across the street from where i work! :winkwink: